Rebuildable atomizer question.

[Martin123]

Hi All,
I'm using an Aspire nautilus with a Itaste SVD but being an inveterate tinkerer I'm wondering if there is a fully rebuildable atomizer available such as the Vicious Ant Cyclone which I can integrate with the Nautilus? All the RBA's I've seen use the method of saturating the wick with a dropper rather than using an attached tank such as the Nautilus. Am I barking up the wrong tree here? Also what length of vaping do RBA's provide? I watched a video of a Magma which indicated that it had a well to contain the liquid but I guess it would need to be refilled quite frequently.

Cheers
Martin

 

[Kaezziel]

Kayfun, Orchid, Kraken, Russian 91%... just to name a few... do a search for RBA or RTA (Rebuildable Atomizer or Rebuildable Tank Atomizer)...
Those don't work with the Nautilus, but can be built to work with the SVD... length of time between refills is subjective and dependent on usage. Much like battery life...
And yes, the Magma will hold a bit of juice in the well, but will need to be refilled sooner than a tank would.

 

[Gravyboatcaptain]

Confused on how you'd have an atty interact with your tank. Most of what you're looking for will pair with the SVD as a replacement to the nautilus. It IS possible to rebuild your Nautilus coil though, if you feel like playing around.

 

[Martin123]

Hi Kaezziel,
Thanks for your reply, so I guess that I'll have to go with one of the above RTA to get what I'm looking for and not be able to retain the Nautilus?

Kayfun, Orchid, Kraken, Russian 91%... just to name a few... do a search for RBA or RTA (Rebuildable Atomizer or Rebuildable Tank Atomizer)...
Those don't work with the Nautilus, but can be built to work with the SVD... length of time between refills is subjective and dependent on usage. Much like battery life...
And yes, the Magma will hold a bit of juice in the well, but will need to be refilled sooner than a tank would.

 

[Kaezziel]

Well, like the Captain above stated... you can rebuild/rewick the Nautilus coils... you can even better it's performance by doing so.
Or you could get a different RTA and keep the Nautilus.. put a different flavor juice in each one and switch as you desire...

 

[Martin123]

Hi Gravyboatcaptain,
I'm just curious to find out if the Nautilus can be conjoined with one of the "big" RBA's or if I'll have to rest it and go down the RTA route. I'd rather retain the Nautilus if feasible.
Cheers
Martin
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Confused on how you'd have an atty interact with your tank. Most of what you're looking for will pair with the SVD as a replacement to the nautilus. It IS possible to rebuild your Nautilus coil though, if you feel like playing around.

 

[HecticEnergy]

I'm a bit confused by your wording, but Kaezzie is right on the money with the RTA suggestion I think.
I'd start with a Kayfun style if your newer to rebuilding. Genesis style attys (like kracken) have a tenancy to leak. I usually suggest to start with a dripper (RDA) until you get repeatable results as building on the kayfun isnt quite as easy (though, once you get the hang of it its not difficult, watch some youtube videos on them).
Personally I love my drippers - though didn't think I would be a dripper - I enjoy it now! out and about 10 drops in the atty will last me a few hours. sitting around the house 15 drops lasts me 30 minutes or so on a .8ohm dual coil.
I got a nautilus mini to try it out. I put a tank of liquid through it, and it was good. I like rebulding too much to go back to manufactured heads though, so I put it back in the box and its waiting to be a nice little gift to a loved one So you can "retain" the tank, sure. Maybe its a good little vacation device when you will not have an opportunity to rebuild for a while. Your call, but for me I'd rather just rebuild (in those "Cant rebuild" situations, I usually plan ahead and have a few coils just in case, and my rewicking stuff - rewicking only takes a few minutes, so its not a big deal IMO.

 

[Martin123]

Hi Hectic,
Thanks and now I think I'm getting the hang of it - RBA's at home and the Nautilus in the camp! Or an RTA as well?
Thanks All for your advice, I'll surely be back for more.

I'm a bit confused by your wording, but Kaezzie is right on the money with the RTA suggestion I think.
I'd start with a Kayfun style if your newer to rebuilding. Genesis style attys (like kracken) have a tenancy to leak. I usually suggest to start with a dripper (RDA) until you get repeatable results as building on the kayfun isnt quite as easy (though, once you get the hang of it its not difficult, watch some youtube videos on them).
Personally I love my drippers - though didn't think I would be a dripper - I enjoy it now! out and about 10 drops in the atty will last me a few hours. sitting around the house 15 drops lasts me 30 minutes or so on a .8ohm dual coil.
I got a nautilus mini to try it out. I put a tank of liquid through it, and it was good. I like rebulding too much to go back to manufactured heads though, so I put it back in the box and its waiting to be a nice little gift to a loved one So you can "retain" the tank, sure. Maybe its a good little vacation device when you will not have an opportunity to rebuild for a while. Your call, but for me I'd rather just rebuild (in those "Cant rebuild" situations, I usually plan ahead and have a few coils just in case, and my rewicking stuff - rewicking only takes a few minutes, so its not a big deal IMO.

 

[Kaezziel]

Come back anytime and often, Martin.... it's a pretty friendly and helpful bunch around here, and a lot of us veteran vapers hang around the new members forum to help answer questions... we have felt your pain, and we'd like to minimize it for you guys/gals as much as we can!

 

[CharliesTheMan]

I'm a bit confused by your wording, but Kaezzie is right on the money with the RTA suggestion I think.
I'd start with a Kayfun style if your newer to rebuilding. Genesis style attys (like kracken) have a tenancy to leak. I usually suggest to start with a dripper (RDA) until you get repeatable results as building on the kayfun isnt quite as easy (though, once you get the hang of it its not difficult, watch some youtube videos on them).
Personally I love my drippers - though didn't think I would be a dripper - I enjoy it now! out and about 10 drops in the atty will last me a few hours. sitting around the house 15 drops lasts me 30 minutes or so on a .8ohm dual coil.
I got a nautilus mini to try it out. I put a tank of liquid through it, and it was good. I like rebulding too much to go back to manufactured heads though, so I put it back in the box and its waiting to be a nice little gift to a loved one So you can "retain" the tank, sure. Maybe its a good little vacation device when you will not have an opportunity to rebuild for a while. Your call, but for me I'd rather just rebuild (in those "Cant rebuild" situations, I usually plan ahead and have a few coils just in case, and my rewicking stuff - rewicking only takes a few minutes, so its not a big deal IMO.

My story is similar to his, dripping seemed like such a hassle and I didn't see myself dripping. So I decided to get an RDA for "treat vaping" since it didn't seem like it would be fun AT ALL. But then I got a Kayfun and atarted rebuilding. I have my Aspire Nautilus, but it's full of now probably rotten juice wrapped in a paper towel. The Kayfun RTA though would be a true tank atomizer system like the Nautilus, you fill it up with several ml of juice and vape away on it. I ran that on a DNA 30 for quite a while. You'll probably be able to step your nic down because the Kayfun outperforms the Nautilus so much. I didn't step mine down, but I walked around dizzy sweaty and light headed for a while lol.

I wouldn't let anyone talk you into rebuilding Nautilus coil units until you're very good at building on something like the Kayfun. I have shaky hands though, but geez that's a lot of hard work to build and assemble those tiny coils that you can buy ready to roll.

What I did for a while was carry my Aspire and Kanger tanks for backups/second juice vapes. But from the first Kayfun microcoil build with walgreens organic cotton balls I haven't looked back.

I got started with the "Artemus" Kayfun Lite V3 Black Edition" for around $38 and it's been one of the best vaping decisions/presents I asked for so far I think. It changed my life. After running the tank a little while I said "Why doesn't someone make something like this where I don't have to use a whole tank of juice between builds or to taste juices" and then I saw the light. That's an RDA. Now I drip 24/7 although I keep two kayfuns for when I need a tank. 8 days on the beach in Florida and 12 or so hours each way in the car, and working 60 hours a week, and I haven't "needed" anything besides dripping yet.

 

[krobeson]

Hi Kaezziel,
Thanks for your reply, so I guess that I'll have to go with one of the above RTA to get what I'm looking for and not be able to retain the Nautilus?

Or you just keep replacing BVC coils. They are not that expensive. The only issue is you would usually have to replace the head for each flavor you switch to. Some people clean them out, but I haven't had much luck with that senario.

 

[Martin123]

Hi Charley,
No I don't fancy rebuilding the Nautilus coils - too fiddly and quite cheap to buy anyway. And hey spend more time on the beach and less of the 60 hour weeks!
Cheers
Martin

My story is similar to his, dripping seemed like such a hassle and I didn't see myself dripping. So I decided to get an RDA for "treat vaping" since it didn't seem like it would be fun AT ALL. But then I got a Kayfun and atarted rebuilding. I have my Aspire Nautilus, but it's full of now probably rotten juice wrapped in a paper towel. The Kayfun RTA though would be a true tank atomizer system like the Nautilus, you fill it up with several ml of juice and vape away on it. I ran that on a DNA 30 for quite a while. You'll probably be able to step your nic down because the Kayfun outperforms the Nautilus so much. I didn't step mine down, but I walked around dizzy sweaty and light headed for a while lol.

I wouldn't let anyone talk you into rebuilding Nautilus coil units until you're very good at building on something like the Kayfun. I have shaky hands though, but geez that's a lot of hard work to build and assemble those tiny coils that you can buy ready to roll.

What I did for a while was carry my Aspire and Kanger tanks for backups/second juice vapes. But from the first Kayfun microcoil build with walgreens organic cotton balls I haven't looked back.

I got started with the "Artemus" Kayfun Lite V3 Black Edition" for around $38 and it's been one of the best vaping decisions/presents I asked for so far I think. It changed my life. After running the tank a little while I said "Why doesn't someone make something like this where I don't have to use a whole tank of juice between builds or to taste juices" and then I saw the light. That's an RDA. Now I drip 24/7 although I keep two kayfuns for when I need a tank. 8 days on the beach in Florida and 12 or so hours each way in the car, and working 60 hours a week, and I haven't "needed" anything besides dripping yet.

 

[HecticEnergy]

I started rebuilding on protank single coil heads. It was pretty rough, but after that rebuilding any RBA is a cinch. I'm 30 so my hand eye coordination is fine, as is my sight. I dont recommend it though - start building a dripper, then move to a tank is my vote.

To answer your question, I use Kayfun as a replacement for all my old tanks (like nautilus) - when dripping isn't really practical. I also cram my all day vape juice in it and rock it around the house occasionally, and then use my dripper for the rest of the time (which is usually like 90% of the time). when I was on ego batteries, I always had at least 2 tanks because I like to change up the flavors regularly, and thats not practical with a single tank. Drippers suit that way better though.

 

[HecticEnergy]

Hi Hectic,
Thanks and now I think I'm getting the hang of it - RBA's at home and the Nautilus in the camp! Or an RTA as well?
Thanks All for your advice, I'll surely be back for more.

Just for quick clarification of terms:

RDA = Rebuildable Dripping Atomizer
RTA = Rebuildable Tank Atomizer
RBA = Rebuildable Atomizer (includes both RTA and RDA)

So I think this is more correct:
"RDA's at home and the Nautilus or RTA in the camp!"
provided that by camp you meant out and about

 

[Dogboltt]

I'd recommend the Kayfun as it's a simple build and very forgiving.
Doesn't leak and holds enough juice to last me all day and then some.
Go for it!

 

[HecticEnergy]

I'd recommend the Kayfun as it's a simple build and very forgiving.
Doesn't leak and holds enough juice to last me all day and then some.
Go for it!

I disagree that it is forgiving. I got all kinds of dryhits out of mine when I was first learning how to build on it. Once you figure out the process though, its simple.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Well, this was going to happen in here sooner or later, so I'll take the bullet for the team.

You might also want to consider a reo. It's not for everyone and would require getting a full system (the reo mod plus an atomizer), buuuut....

It combines the sheer joy of drip vaping with onboard juice storage, but isn't a tank system. It's a bottom feeding system - the juice sits in a bottle below the atty and you squeeze it to get juice to the coil and wick (excess is removed from the atty when you release the bottle). Sounds odd, dunnit? Well, it works very well and results in you vaping the equivalent of a dripper with the convenience of a tank.

Because the atty is like (actually, is) a dripper), it's very easy to build and wick - much easier than a kayfun or other RTA, which involves some (dis)assembly to build or rewick. It also stores (potentially) more juice than a RTA tank will hold - great for all day vaping.

It's also nigh indestructable. You mentioned vaping "in camp", which I suspect would be potentially rough and tumble. People have dropped their reos from moving motorcycles with no ill effects.

Now, it's a full mech, so no VV or VW - that may be a deal breaker for you - and the form factor (it's a box mod) might be a paradigm shift for you, but based on your comments (ready/willing to rebuild, natural tinkering behaviour, preference for onboard juice storage, desire for quality vape) you sound like a perfect candidate for the reo.

If this is at all interesting to you, I'd encourage you to hang out in the reo subforum a bit to get in the swim of things - see what's what in terms of the gear, talk to other people about use, etc.

For many, the reo is the end state of vaping after all the clearos, RTA's, and drippers. Maybe that's not you. Maybe it is.

Reos Mods

 

[eratikmind]

Hey, Martin . . . Welcome to the ECF community. It's great to have you aboard.

With regard to the Magma RDA, it's juice well is capable of storing a decent amount of liquid for a RDA.

If wicked modestly, the Magma will sustain a decent vaping session via mouth to lung draws. Now, if direct lung inhales are preferred, the juice depletes at a much more rapid rate, as with all RDAs.

 

[krobeson]

Well, this was going to happen in here sooner or later, so I'll take the bullet for the team.

You might also want to consider a reo. It's not for everyone and would require getting a full system (the reo mod plus an atomizer), buuuut....

It combines the sheer joy of drip vaping with onboard juice storage, but isn't a tank system. It's a bottom feeding system - the juice sits in a bottle below the atty and you squeeze it to get juice to the coil and wick (excess is removed from the atty when you release the bottle). Sounds odd, dunnit? Well, it works very well and results in you vaping the equivalent of a dripper with the convenience of a tank.

Because the atty is like (actually, is) a dripper), it's very easy to build and wick - much easier than a kayfun or other RTA, which involves some (dis)assembly to build or rewick. It also stores (potentially) more juice than a RTA tank will hold - great for all day vaping.

It's also nigh indestructable. You mentioned vaping "in camp", which I suspect would be potentially rough and tumble. People have dropped their reos from moving motorcycles with no ill effects.

Now, it's a full mech, so no VV or VW - that may be a deal breaker for you - and the form factor (it's a box mod) might be a paradigm shift for you, but based on your comments (ready/willing to rebuild, natural tinkering behaviour, preference for onboard juice storage, desire for quality vape) you sound like a perfect candidate for the reo.

If this is at all interesting to you, I'd encourage you to hang out in the reo subforum a bit to get in the swim of things - see what's what in terms of the gear, talk to other people about use, etc.

For many, the reo is the end state of vaping after all the clearos, RTA's, and drippers. Maybe that's not you. Maybe it is.

Reos Mods

What RDAs do you guys use on the REOs? Because all mine don't have the capability to drip from the bottom.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

What RDAs do you guys use on the REOs? Because all mine don't have the capability to drip from the bottom.

The atties used with reos are all bottom feed modified. Essentially, a hole is drilled through the firing pin up into the atty chamber. Rob, the manufacturer, has several modded atties available on his reo site and some folks are in the business of modding atties (e.g., Chowderhead1972). There are also some atty manufacturers who make bf modded atties (e.g, VA has a bf version of their Cyclone).

People have used modded versions of virtually anything out there - Magmas, Tugboats, Stillares, Atomics, tobh's, Odins, etc.