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Don't get the eroll if you want a cig look alike the https://www.envycig.com/electronic-cigarettes/product/nirvana-premium-kit/s/starter-packs/ is your best bet, the battery is rated for 180 mAh and is double the strength of the 90 mAh rating (Which means the envy nirvana will last longer than the eroll) of the eroll. It really worked for me but the best thing to learn is that when you use the cartomizers you can buy your own liquid and refill them.
You might want to consider an ego system however, 3 weeks of being analog free and I'm already upgrading as this has become one of my favorite hobbies.
You might want to consider an ego system however, 3 weeks of being analog free and I'm already upgrading as this has become one of my favorite hobbies.
This is just wrong. The eroll is a system with a PCC that is 1000mah. You place it in the PCC between uses and it lasts all day.
The PCC is much nicer than the envy and doesn't require taking the system apart to charge in the PCC
eroll also is refillable. There is no advantage of a cartomizer over this system, in fact the flavor is better on the eroll since there is no filler.
Hi John, welcome to ECF and congrats. When shopping for a kit realize this battery info: 100 mah= 1 hour normal vaping before needing recharge. Also "most" Ecig batteries are disposable- after 250-300 charges they are meant to be tossed in the garbage and new batteries must be bought. I had smoked for 44 yrs and finally found the solution in vaping after trying all diff types of smoking cessation progs.
(PV= Personal Vaporizer= Ecig)
Mini Cig Sized PV
Cig sized mini PVs are usually low mah. I don't usually recommend them unless someone specifies they need a cig sized PV.
eGo Class PV- fires at a set 3.7 volts
This is generally the PV most new vapers begin with.
The eGo class PVs generally fire at a set 3.7 volts- Kgo, JoyTech, Riva are a few good brand names. I own the Kgo and have been impressed with its performance- they come in 650- 1100 mah- cost about $40- $50 for a starter kit.
Mini Variable Volt PV- fires from 3.3- 4.8 Volts
The next level are the Mini Variable Volt/ VV PVs. Adjustable voltage 3.3- 4.8 volts. With these PVs the voltage can be adjusted up or down to suits your needs (sometimes need a stronger hit). Also diff flavors/ juices taste better at diff voltages. I own both the Spinner and Twist- cost about $70.00 for a starter kit. Spinner comes in 400- 1300 mah.
I prefer the Spinner because:
Twist- dial very smooth narrow- hard to turn. Voltage markings invisible/ hard to see.
Spinner- wide knurled Voltage dial with easy to see voltage markings.
Here are a couple of pics to illustrate the voltage dial diff...
Twist Voltage Dial
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Spinner Dial
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Here's a Kgo review- set voltage 3.7 volts
Here's a text Spinner variable voltage review- 3.3- 4.8 volts.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...5905-visions-ego-vv-spinner-gotvapes-usa.html
Whatever your choice wishing you the very best of luck.
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If you are going to be using this at home most of the time and want to manage your costs long term, I believe an eGo style is the most cost effective and satisfying place to start. Most of us started with something small and cigarette sized because we thought that was important. Most of us moved to the eGo style in a few months, because it offered long life and better atomizer choices, and is still pretty small. A fresh battery and a full clearomizer and you're good to go most of the day.
The eGo is the mainstream device that almost anything will fit on, giving you flexibility and still using what you started with. Most of us have an old cigarette sized ecig rattling around in a drawer that we don't use anymore, so for mostly home use you might as well save a step and some money. Even though I've been vaping for some time I still keep an eGo battery handy for peace of mind. They last six months to a year and are cheap to replace.
The eGo is the mainstream device that almost anything will fit on, giving you flexibility and still using what you started with. Most of us have an old cigarette sized ecig rattling around in a drawer that we don't use anymore, so for mostly home use you might as well save a step and some money. Even though I've been vaping for some time I still keep an eGo battery handy for peace of mind. They last six months to a year and are cheap to replace.
I went with an eGo-C starter kit after using a Blu for a while (and then finding this forum) - I like the eGo much better. I got the eGo Twist too and just ordered another one since these first batteries will not last forever.
I know that I am a broken record on this, but when I was brand new and rather overwhelmed by everything on the forum, I learned more from Baditude's blog than anything else. In fact, I am still learning from it. Check it out.
All very true and good advice. However, I would not underestimate the eRoll set up, particularly if 1) mobility is an issue and 2) you don't really want to chain vape (i.e. be sucking on your PV non-stop all day).
I do think the eRoll has kind of re-invented the cig-a-like sector of the market because of the extremely small size, good build quality, excellent vapor and taste, and the quite good PCC which doesn't make you disconnect your battery to charge it like other PCCs. Just vape it, then stick it in the pcc and it keeps a charge.
It is an excellent item for an active lifestyle vaper (i.e. golfing/fishing/hiking or out and about) due to its very small size and super ease of storing the PCC in your pocket.
When I first saw it I had all the same impressions that most veteran vapers do, but I continued to read the eRoll thread here and started to understand that this is a bit different from the previous cig-a-like devices.
The way it has to be used though is with a higher nic content than what you are probably using in a ego or mod and not chain vaping. Just using it for 5 or 10 minutes (battery still strong at that point) and put it back in the pcc for 20 minutes or so and the battery is fully charged. I said before, I find that liberating.
There are areas that this could be improved. 1) there is no storage for juice/carts on the PCC. 2) the carts are small so you need to carry extras or a juice bottle when out and about. (walgreens has a excellent pill case for under $1 that fits 3 carts perfect).
The small battery size of 90mah is sufficient because of the way the PCC is used, and in fact many have stated that they could get away with a smaller battery and enlarge the tank.
Anyway, I keep harping on this because I think this system meets the demands of more people than many believe. It is unfortunate that it can be lumped in with the other cig-a-likes by those that haven't given it a good trial.
Generally I try and give new vapers different choices. If "I" had bought an eRoll type PV when I first began vaping the batts would've been dead within a month or two because I was chain vaping. As for upping my nicotine content I was already vaping 36 mg.
I've got an SD Keyring that fires @ 3.7 V that I use for concerts- 350 mah- more than enuff and it's very small. My Don PV can be made into Stealth mode- 2 1/2" long and a 1300 mah batt firing @ 3.7 volts= 12 hours of vaping. Although not cig sized both fit into the palm of my hand.
I've converted a ton of smokers and prolly 99% of them chain vape for at least the first 2 weeks- sometimes even longer.
All I can say is what were they thinking in releasing a PV with .4 ml cartridge? Carrying carts in a container is not a deal breaker though. From my understanding the eRoll only uses proprietary parts???
Overall I've heard good things about the eRoll but I wouldn't recommend to a new vaper/ PAD smoker as I don't believe the batteries are up to the task in regards to someone just starting out. As for myself the size of a PV has really never mattered to me. Just as long as it gets the job done and if the eRoll is working for you then
I started with an Apollo KR808D kit and a friend sent me an eGo-C battery and some accessories. I just ordered this adjustable eGo-C kit: eCig Starter Kit - 650mah. It comes with two batteries and two CE4 clearomizers. I think that will be enough hardware to last me for a while. 
Generally I try and give new vapers different choices. If "I" had bought an eRoll type PV when I first began vaping the batts would've been dead within a month or two because I was chain vaping. As for upping my nicotine content I was already vaping 36 mg.
I've got an SD Keyring that fires @ 3.7 V that I use for concerts- 350 mah- more than enuff and it's very small. My Don PV can be made into Stealth mode- 2 1/2" long and a 1300 mah batt firing @ 3.7 volts= 12 hours of vaping. Although not cig sized both fit into the palm of my hand.
I've converted a ton of smokers and prolly 99% of them chain vape for at least the first 2 weeks- sometimes even longer.
All I can say is what were they thinking in releasing a PV with .4 ml cartridge? Carrying carts in a container is not a deal breaker though. From my understanding the eRoll only uses proprietary parts???
Overall I've heard good things about the eRoll but I wouldn't recommend to a new vaper/ PAD smoker as I don't believe the batteries are up to the task in regards to someone just starting out. As for myself the size of a PV has really never mattered to me. Just as long as it gets the job done and if the eRoll is working for you then
Fair enough. But if I had started with an eRoll I probably wouldn't have bought 80% of the equipment I did buy. On the one hand, that would be bad because I many never have experienced using a genesis atomizer which I enjoy immensly. On the other hand, it would have saved me some cash and some disappointments.
I agree that most people do end up chain vaping, and not just starting off. I don't think people necessarily want to chain vape when they start out. I see many threads where someone comes on and says they are happy with vaping, but are alarmed at the fact that they are vaping continuously. That tells me that many people would be happy with a system that encourages a different approach.
Admittedly, you could follow that approach with any system, but the eroll sort of enforces this approach. You have to get a high enough nicotine to allow you to take breaks so that the battery keeps up. I suppose that could mean that it won't work with those that need higher nic than is generally available. I would recommend that a new user get a bit of 24mg abit of 36mg and a bit of 48mg. and see what works.
The cart size is definitely the biggest weakness in the system, but fairly easy to overcome with carrying additional carts. I was under the impression they were 0.5ml nog 0.4ml which in the scheme of things isn't much difference but it .5 is 25% more than .4.
Man I wish I could start over again, I could save a ton of money and aggravation.
I would say to myself: "Self, just get 2 ego twist batteries and 2 or 3 Mini Vivi Novas and stick with them for a few months."
Then you can read about everything on this forum and make a pretty good decision about the next step.
I would say to myself: "Self, just get 2 ego twist batteries and 2 or 3 Mini Vivi Novas and stick with them for a few months."
Then you can read about everything on this forum and make a pretty good decision about the next step.
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