Recommendations for heavy smoker that is behind the wheel most of the day

[muzichead]

Im sure the REO is great, but really expensive for someone who doesn't yet even know if he'll like vaping.

I'd suggest the MVP2 for the mod. I doubt if a newbie would be capable or willing to deal with a rebuildable; others might know of good starter clearos that hold a lot, but I'd suggest a Hypertank or Hypertank2.

Andria

Food for thought...

I once thought the REO's were expensive as you do but when you break it down it's really not. When I smoked almost 4yrs ago I was a 1.5-2PAD smoker and that habit cost me $100+ per week. That averaged out to $400+ per month. The REO Grand is $146, ($117 for a blem), that is just a little over one weeks worth of analogs so IMO not expensive at all...

I will also add that the REO's were designed to, and will work very well with standard atty's and carto's. You don't need to put a rebuildable on them. There are still quite a few people that use them with atty's and carto's...

 

[vexxis]

Food for thought...

I once thought the REO's were expensive as you do but when you break it down it's really not. When I smoked almost 4yrs ago I was a 1.5-2PAD smoker and that habit cost me $100+ per week. That averaged out to $400+ per month. The REO Grand is $146, ($117 for a blem), that is just a little over one weeks worth of analogs so IMO not expensive at all...

I will also add that the REO's were designed to, and will work very well with standard atty's and carto's. You don't need to put a rebuildable on them. There are still quite a few people that use them with atty's and carto's...

I tend to agree with everything you have to say regarding price. If you are going to die from smoking and now you are not what's that worth to you? My only objection to the REO is that its a mech and I think any beginners should have an APV until they become advanced enough to learn how to get the desired vape they want using other methods (e.g. PG/VG ratio, airflow, etc.). Please correct me if I have the wrong take on this. Thanks.

 

[vexxis]

Thanks for the ideas everyone. I decided to get a Kanger Aerotank Mega (at least you have the stainless tank if you break the glass) and an E-LVT as well as the direct pass through suggested.

 

[RaceGun59]

That's what the forum is good for. Lots of ideas and then you can select what best suits a vapers needs. Once again, welcome to the madness.

 

[RIMP]

MVP 2 and a Kanger Mega....

What he said^^^ for a newbie it's the easiest to learn and decide if he wants/needs something else

 

[edyle]

If he's going to be in his truck while vaping, a true batteryless pass-thru, as Davey mentioned, might be a great choice. Something like this:

https://www.fasttech.com/p/1382500

Pair that up with a cigarette-lighter->USB adapter and he can vape all day off that big 12-volt horker under the hood. Get one with a 2A capacity, perhaps one like this:

https://www.fasttech.com/products/0...ersal-dual-usb-car-charger-adapter-black-tran

Then he can get an MVP for when he's at home/out of the truck!

There's also the itaste DRV :

Details:

•Scale display voltage improves intuitive control and provides more accurate performance.
•The rotational wheel adjusts voltage in the following increments: 4.2V, 4.4V, 4.6V, 4.8V, 5.0V, 5.2V, 5.4V, 5.6V, 5.8V, 6.0V, 6.2V, 6.4V
•Power supply: Car cigarette lighter socket 12/24DCV
•Standby current: 5mA max
•Fuse: 5A/250VAC
•Maximum output voltage: 6.4V (unloaded)
•Maximum output current: 5.0A
•Maximum output wattage : 20W (Watts mode)
•Low voltage protection
•Overtime vaping warning
•Short circuit protection
•Clearomizer type: iClear 16D

 

[muzichead]

I tend to agree with everything you have to say regarding price. If you are going to die from smoking and now you are not what's that worth to you? My only objection to the REO is that its a mech and I think any beginners should have an APV until they become advanced enough to learn how to get the desired vape they want using other methods (e.g. PG/VG ratio, airflow, etc.). Please correct me if I have the wrong take on this. Thanks.

First off, an APV, or Advanced Personal Vaporizer is a mod... That could either be mechanical or variable voltage/wattage. I think you were talking a bout the latter. In my opinion I think it is better for someone to start off with a mechanical device. You need to first learn power, resistance, and ohms to find the vape that is right for you. With a VV/VW device there are way more variables and it confuses the basics much more than with a mechanical. This is the reason when mechanical's really boomed last year a lot of people jumped on them, had problems setting them up properly, and just gave up and went back to their crutch, (ie, VV/VW)....

I am not saying that a VV/VW device shouldn't ever be used, I am just saying in my opinion it is easier to get a more satisfying vape on a mechanical device. To me with the exception of the Provari, all other regulated devices are throw away devices. If a regulated vape is what you desire then you can use a kick module in a mechanical. I used one in a Vmod for almost a year. I read every day lately where even the DNA equipped devices are constantly throwing error codes and just all out failing too often. This doesn't happen very often with a mechanical that is setup and maintained on a regular basis.

More food for thought.... Did you know that the Smok Vmax / Zmax, produced 5 different devices in less than a 2 year time span? This was mostly due to board and or wiring failures... The devices started out with a 6mo. warranty on them and by V3 it was down to 45 days and now at 30 days... Why? Because it's a throw away device.... At least the Provari has a 1yr warranty...

 

[twgbonehead]

The DRV is a nice unit, it's got an automatic as wel as manual switches, and provides a wide range of voltages to vape at. Also, the innokin products are very well made.

On the other hand, at like $70 or so, it's a lot more expensive than the cheap FT version (and you can get a couple in case one breaks). If that works for him, the DRV might be a good choice for the next step.

Personally I think an MVP and a couple of the cheap passthru's would be the ideal setup; not too expensive and fits his vaping scenario very well.

 

[AndriaD]

Food for thought...

I once thought the REO's were expensive as you do but when you break it down it's really not. When I smoked almost 4yrs ago I was a 1.5-2PAD smoker and that habit cost me $100+ per week. That averaged out to $400+ per month. The REO Grand is $146, ($117 for a blem), that is just a little over one weeks worth of analogs so IMO not expensive at all...

I will also add that the REO's were designed to, and will work very well with standard atty's and carto's. You don't need to put a rebuildable on them. There are still quite a few people that use them with atty's and carto's...

All that may be true... but we're discussing someone here who hasn't even tried vaping seriously yet -- it's downright stupid to buy something that costly for an undertaking that one doesn't know yet if one is really going to undertake! What if he tries it for a week or 2 and then decides, as so many seem to do, that it's just not working for him? Then he's got this hundreds-of-dollars device that is useless to him -- true, he could sell it, but he won't know that, unless he comes to this forum (or some other, possibly), and a great many don't do that.

Until he knows for sure if vaping will really work for him, he's far better off to stick with a $50 budget than a $500 budget.

Andria

 

[Fir3b1rd]

This is why I regret posting in this section. Every time
The arguments it does a new vapor no good....
I don't see how a new 145 dollar rig becomes a 500 dollar budget.. my feeble mind can't grasp that math.
My issue with a new vapor on a much is strictly a safety one. While a reo is a Great vape and a wonderful product, it still offers no safety for a new user. Unless you use a fuse, and that's a whole other issue to learn.
In this particular users case something with a pass through I believe would work better. Since the user is specifically asking for something they can use while behind the wheel all day. The two has the advantage from juice capacity, but without power it can't be used. An innokin taste vv or MVP offers pass through and they can get a large tank.

 

[AndriaD]

This is why I regret posting in this section. Every time
The arguments it does a new vapor no good....
I don't see how a new 145 dollar rig becomes a 500 dollar budget.. my feeble mind can't grasp that math.
My issue with a new vapor on a much is strictly a safety one. While a reo is a Great vape and a wonderful product, it still offers no safety for a new user. Unless you use a fuse, and that's a whole other issue to learn.
In this particular users case something with a pass through I believe would work better. Since the user is specifically asking for something they can use while behind the wheel all day. The two has the advantage from juice capacity, but without power it can't be used. An innokin taste vv or MVP offers pass through and they can get a large tank.

Well, I dunno, last time I looked at REOs, they were all in the several-hundred dollar range. But in any case, $145 is as far out of my reach as $500 is, so it's all pretty much the same after about $50 -- "too rich for my blood". And I know that a lot of folks start vaping, but quite a few of them find some reason not to stick with it -- a reason like a hopeless addiction to cigarettes, which is hard for some folks to break even with the very best of equipment. It doesn't make sense to invest a huge amount of money into something that one isn't sure one wants to continue and commit to, a huge and cataclysmic change when the thing that's changing is a decades-long addiction.

$145 may be pocket change to you, but it's a huge amount of money for some people.

Andria

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Well, I dunno, last time I looked at REOs, they were all in the several-hundred dollar range. But in any case, $145 is as far out of my reach as $500 is, so it's all pretty much the same after about $50 -- "too rich for my blood". And I know that a lot of folks start vaping, but quite a few of them find some reason not to stick with it -- a reason like a hopeless addiction to cigarettes, which is hard for some folks to break even with the very best of equipment. It doesn't make sense to invest a huge amount of money into something that one isn't sure one wants to continue and commit to, a huge and cataclysmic change when the thing that's changing is a decades-long addiction.

$145 may be pocket change to you, but it's a huge amount of money for some people.

Andria

We've had this blow up in the past
The simple matter is you responded to someone's post where they quoted a price... your response was to use magic math and turn a quote to tjr effect of "117 for a blem or 146 new" into 500 dollars. And don't assume to know my financial situation, you did that last time and it's still the same. Nor should you decide anyone else's. What people chose to spend there money on is their own business. Maybe 145 dollars is Ok for some who only want To but 1 mod every so many years and not replace a 50 dollar mod every couple months. But it's not your place to magically make up numbers to dissuade someone from looking at a product. If you don't like something, or don't think it's a good fit, use facts away I did.
In THIS CASE,FOR THIS PERSON, I Think it's a bad fit but NOT BECAUSE it's 145 dollars. Because it doesn't fit THEIR NEEDS.
If you're happy buying a 50 dollar mod and you like it I'm happy for you, I like mine as well. In fact I use my 50 dollar mod as much as I use my 150 and 200 dollar ones. But DON'T GO MAKING UP MAGIC NUMBERS FROM THIN AIR, THEN BASHING PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW FOR CHOOSING TO SPEND THEIR MONEY ON ONE.


Hint: unemployed on disability and has the AMAZING ability to save since they no longer spend 375 dollars a month on cigarettes, Isn't math math cool?

 

[edyle]

Well, I dunno, last time I looked at REOs, they were all in the several-hundred dollar range. But in any case, $145 is as far out of my reach as $500 is, so it's all pretty much the same after about $50 -- "too rich for my blood". And I know that a lot of folks start vaping, but quite a few of them find some reason not to stick with it -- a reason like a hopeless addiction to cigarettes, which is hard for some folks to break even with the very best of equipment. It doesn't make sense to invest a huge amount of money into something that one isn't sure one wants to continue and commit to, a huge and cataclysmic change when the thing that's changing is a decades-long addiction.

$145 may be pocket change to you, but it's a huge amount of money for some people.

Andria

People who still smoke need a simple $5 or $10 step to try out and get to that point where they say "hey! this can work!"

 

[Fir3b1rd]

People who still smoke need a simple $5 or $10 step to try out and get to that point where they say "hey! this can work!"

Funny you say that, the last few weeks I've come across 3 people, one of whom I gave my MVP/aerotank too.
2 people tried cigalikes for a few weeks and gave up, tried my vaporshark/tobh and are now on mvps with clearos and not smoking.
Another tried egos/evods and he is now using an hcigar 35w with a Nautilus after trying one of my rigs.
In my personal experience it wasn't till I had an mvp/Aero that I could quit, the clearos, egos, cigalikes aggravated me and made me smoke more.
I think a GOOD starter kit is essential, you don't have to send a bunch of money for one, a VV V3 is a good start and the kit with clearo is what, 25 bucks?

I just get all kind of twerked when I see blatant lies to new people to make them NOT look at something, be honest to them, let them feel comfortable. There's no reason to lie.
My teenager tries that foolishness....

Continue, Sorry for going off on a thread, but the third time I've seen the same thing from the same person and lost my cool, we really are nice people...... most of us.

 

[muzichead]

All that may be true... but we're discussing someone here who hasn't even tried vaping seriously yet -- it's downright stupid to buy something that costly for an undertaking that one doesn't know yet if one is really going to undertake! What if he tries it for a week or 2 and then decides, as so many seem to do, that it's just not working for him? Then he's got this hundreds-of-dollars device that is useless to him -- true, he could sell it, but he won't know that, unless he comes to this forum (or some other, possibly), and a great many don't do that.

Until he knows for sure if vaping will really work for him, he's far better off to stick with a $50 budget than a $500 budget.

Andria

Well, I dunno, last time I looked at REOs, they were all in the several-hundred dollar range. But in any case, $145 is as far out of my reach as $500 is, so it's all pretty much the same after about $50 -- "too rich for my blood". And I know that a lot of folks start vaping, but quite a few of them find some reason not to stick with it -- a reason like a hopeless addiction to cigarettes, which is hard for some folks to break even with the very best of equipment. It doesn't make sense to invest a huge amount of money into something that one isn't sure one wants to continue and commit to, a huge and cataclysmic change when the thing that's changing is a decades-long addiction.

$145 may be pocket change to you, but it's a huge amount of money for some people.

Andria

SERIOUSLY????? STUPID????? I take it research isn't your strong suit? Just because your budget won't allow you to buy quality gear doesn't mean someone else can't. I made suggestions to the OP the same as you made your suggestions, but mine are out of line? I don't get it... My suggestions fall in line with all the money I wasted early in my vaping journey and almost gave it up because it wasn't working. I have found what I consider the end all vape gear and will continue to suggest it without hesitation to anyone, noob or veteran vaper alike!!!

If you would've actually read what the OP wrote, you would've noticed the guy the OP was talking about smokes 2-3 packs a day.... Let's just round that off to say $15 /day for his habit... That comes out to $105 /wk or $450 /mo, so i'm thinking if he just might have it in his budget to be able to afford a REO or just about any device he would want. Why would you want to set him up for failure when you could let someone like me set him up for success!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bassnorma]

Hey folks,

I had the same experience. I spent probably over 400.00 in e-cig kits and various sundries. Still smoked because none of it worked for me. Had I just bought a good mod to start with, It would have had more than paid for itself @ roughly 200.00 by not buying 3 to 4 cartons of Cancer. In my neck of the woods a carton of cancer is 60 to 70 dollars now. Lord help you if you buy them buy the pack.

I don't think money is the issue here nor should it be. If you smoke now or smoked in the past, you spent more than 50 dollars a week endangering your life. Most all of us wasted so much more on cigarettes than we ever will on mods even IF we are stricken with a severe case of shinyitis. Shinyitis for the new members is the phenomena of "oooo...shiny...must buy!)

The bottom line is what vape gear will give you the satisfaction you need to quit.

I wish I had bought a Provari first instead of all that other junk I wasted money on. I could have had two of them for what I spent...sigh...hindsight is 20/20.

 

[Bassnorma]

OK. Now having said that...back to the OPs question.

One mod does not fit all. Let's take a look a couple of things. I am of the opinion that when we make recommendations they should not be based on what we personally like but what will fit the owner best. At the end of it all, we want to help people enjoy vaping and quit smoking. Whatever gets the person there in the easiest way is the right solution.

1) Vaping has a learning curve.
2) Consider the user, their life-style and the environment in which the device will be used.
3) Consider the user's nicotine dependency needs

What do we know about your postman?

1) Assuming he is in and out of a truck all day and driving. Conclusion: Mod and Tank must be rugged, high potential for it to be dropped and broken,
2) Heavy Smoker Conclusion: Needs backup gear. Needs gear that is reliable. Higher juice strength to start. Initial investment in gear will be re-couped quickly by not buying cartons of cancer,
3) New Vaper. Conclusion: Start with simple juice delivery methods so as not to confuse the new user. Obtain a mod which scales to more advanced methods and is safe.
4) Probably has no USB charging in the truck Conclusion: IMR LI-On battery powered is best.

So based on the above, here is what I would recommend.

1) ProVari Variable Voltage Electronic Cigarette Starter Kit V2.5

2) An ego battery as backup, just in case

3) A couple more Pro Tanks as backup or if the user can learn to prime a carto then these 22mm Cartomizer Tank

4) High nic juice (s) 18mg to 24 mg


I think the above is a reasonably priced sure fire solution to this particular vaper's needs based on what you have told us, OP. If there is a brick and mortar near by, maybe you could take him there and familiarize him with some options and juices.

LOL, I do system architecture for a living...so you just got a requirements based solution.

 

[Davey59]

What's a pack of butts cost up to in Canada? I know it is more than the 7.70 a pack I was paying. I think this guy might be spending a few hundred a week.

 

[edyle]

OK. Now having said that...back to the OPs question.

One mod does not fit all. Let's take a look a couple of things. I am of the opinion that when we make recommendations they should not be based on what we personally like but what will fit the owner best. At the end of it all, we want to help people enjoy vaping and quit smoking. Whatever gets the person there in the easiest way is the right solution.

1) Vaping has a learning curve.
2) Consider the user, their life-style and the environment in which the device will be used.
3) Consider the user's nicotine dependency needs

What do we know about your postman?

1) Assuming he is in and out of a truck all day and driving. Conclusion: Mod and Tank must be rugged, high potential for it to be dropped and broken,
2) Heavy Smoker Conclusion: Needs backup gear. Needs gear that is reliable. Higher juice strength to start. Initial investment in gear will be re-couped quickly by not buying cartons of cancer,
3) New Vaper. Conclusion: Start with simple juice delivery methods so as not to confuse the new user. Obtain a mod which scales to more advanced methods and is safe.
4) Probably has no USB charging in the truck Conclusion: IMR LI-On battery powered is best.

So based on the above, here is what I would recommend.

1) ProVari Variable Voltage Electronic Cigarette Starter Kit V2.5

2) An ego battery as backup, just in case

3) A couple more Pro Tanks as backup or if the user can learn to prime a carto then these 22mm Cartomizer Tank

4) High nic juice (s) 18mg to 24 mg


I think the above is a reasonably priced sure fire solution to this particular vaper's needs based on what you have told us, OP. If there is a brick and mortar near by, maybe you could take him there and familiarize him with some options and juices.

LOL, I do system architecture for a living...so you just got a requirements based solution.

You completely missed the central requirement which is:

He smokes 2 – 3 packs a day while driving around delivering packages.

This is why the usb passtrough and simple car adapter or the DRV were brought up.


Provape also makes a car adapter and passthrough.

 

[Bassnorma]

You completely missed the central requirement which is:

This is why the usb passtrough and the DRV were brought up.

No...it is covered. Not here to argue btw....it is my opinion based on what was stated by the OP.

(sent from Mars, it's not as red as I imagined.)