Regular Atty Drippers (A Dying Breed?)

[billherbst]

I've had moderately good success dry-burning regular 510 atomizers. Like DC2, I dry-burn only when I notice what I think is a decrease in performance (sometimes that's hard to pinpoint for sure). I've learned to use only about 3.3 volts. I've killed some atomizers over three years, either by using voltage that was too high (I now consider 3.7 volts to be too much) or by letting the burn go on too long without letting the coil cool.

By contrast, I've had almost no success dry-burning the coils used in clearos, either removable or not. Dry-burning those, even at low voltage, seems to pop/kill the coils too often, so I've stopped doing it with clearo coils.

Along the way, I've tried numerous of the different cleaning techniques---rinsing atties under a strong stream of hot water, boiling them in water or vodka, using an ultrasonic cleaner, but I've stopped doing that, because I never noticed any improvement in performance or longevity.

Dry-burning the hand-made micro-coils on my rebuildable RDAs/RBAs is a different story. I use 26-29 gauge kanthal wire, which is thicker than the 32 gauge wire used on factory-built standard atties, so they never pop at the low voltage I use. I routinely dry-burn the coils I've made for rebuildables whenever I replace the wicks.

 

[hippieben]

For use with a Provari, would you guys recommend 1.5 ohm atties or 2.0 ohm atties?

 

[Mr.Mann]

For use with a Provari, would you guys recommend 1.5 ohm atties or 2.0 ohm atties?

It makes no difference, aside from a little battery life. It all depends on what you set it at. There is a little more room to play around with a 2.0Ω, but it doesn't amount to a better vape necessarily.

 

[hippieben]

It makes no difference, aside from a little battery life. It all depends on what you set it at. There is a little more room to play around with a 2.0Ω, but it doesn't amount to a better vape necessarily.

no difference on the life of the atty either?

 

[Mr.Mann]

no difference on the life of the atty either?

Hmm...I get better life out of standard-res over low-res, but that could just be the different brands. Low-res attys are all about getting hotter vape on 3.7v device but I don't think pound-for-pound, or res-for-res, one resistance of disposable atty is more durable than another. Once again, it just depends on what you're hitting it with. All that said, I prefer standard-res since I have a lot more wiggle room on the lower and higher end of the voltage applied to it.

I am positive all of that info is already understood though.

 

[DC2]

For use with a Provari, would you guys recommend 1.5 ohm atties or 2.0 ohm atties?

As Mr. Mann says above, the 2.0 ohm will give you more wiggle room.
And I THINK they should last longer, being a bit less fragile.

But I'm no expert on that stuff...
Just spouting off what I feel like I have absorbed over the years of reading this forum.

 

[hippieben]

As Mr. Mann says above, the 2.0 ohm will give you more wiggle room.
And I THINK they should last longer, being a bit less fragile.

But I'm no expert on that stuff...
Just spouting off what I feel like I have absorbed over the years of reading this forum.

I've also heard that the thicker wire used in LR atties makes them last longer. Again, this comes from "forum research" so it may or not be accurate.

 

[Mr.Mann]

As Mr. Mann says above, the 2.0 ohm will give you more wiggle room.
And I THINK they should last longer, being a bit less fragile.

But I'm no expert on that stuff...
Just spouting off what I feel like I have absorbed over the years of reading this forum.

Yeah, the problem I've had with LR attys is that if you hit them accidentally with too much heat they get fried quickly. I've taken standard res all the way up to 5.1v, though I stick at 4.8v for my comfort zone.

 

[hippieben]

Yeah, the problem I've had with LR attys is that if you hit them accidentally with too much heat they get fried quickly. I've taken standard res all the way up to 5.1v, though I stick at 4.8v for my comfort zone.

I think I'll pick up a standard ohm atty next time. I started out using them on mechanical mods with 1.5ers and never thought to buy anything else.

EDIT: Hmmm, empire mods only sells 1.5 and 1.8, is there really much difference between them?

 

[Jerms]

Two ways to achieve less resistance, thicker wire or less wraps. I'm not sure which tactic is used most, I'm guessing some manufacturers do it one way and others the other. Thicker wire would mean a stronger coil, it can handle more heat before popping. The same gauge of wire but less of it would mean equal strength, but lower res would pop under less volts than higher res.

 

[DC2]

Yeah, the problem I've had with LR attys is that if you hit them accidentally with too much heat they get fried quickly. I've taken standard res all the way up to 5.1v, though I stick at 4.8v for my comfort zone.

I use my standard Joye 510s (2.3 ohms) on a Twist now, dialed all the way up to 4.8 volts pretty much all the time.
I used to use them in my Chucks with 4.8 volt NiMH batteries, which my meter told me came off the charger at around 5.25 volts.

I do miss the extra oomph, but I am willing to sacrifice it for the smaller form factor of the Twists.


The below is an edit...
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I only use my Chucks now for special occasions...
--Like when the Padres make the playoffs
--Like when the Chargers make the playoffs

Yeah, the Padres Chuck is getting kinda dusty...
But the Chargers one got a bit of a workout recently...

 

[Mr.Mann]

I think I'll pick up a standard ohm atty next time. I started out using them on mechanical mods with 1.5ers and never thought to buy anything else.

EDIT: Hmmm, empire mods only sells 1.5 and 1.8, is there really much difference between them?

On a 3.7v device, yeah. The 1.8Ω is slightly cooler. I loved EM attys OOTB, but I was one that got very limited life out of them. Then again, I've seen them used much longer than one week, but based solely on what I saw (form my mouth and others), the vapor was kinda wispy. I say that to say maybe what I consider to be poor performance isn't what others consider it to be. Also, part of my problem may have been that when I start on a new atty, I use it and only it -- maybe if I rotated them with others it wouldn't be such a problem, but at the cost of 6+ per, I ain't buying a bunch to do that with. Back to square one.

Have you thoguhgt about getting an HH-357 since you are already a fan of "Cisco Specs"? (I think I read that you are.)

 

[Jerms]

EDIT: Hmmm, empire mods only sells 1.5 and 1.8, is there really much difference between them?

If your using a fixed device, yes it would make a difference in how much watts it delivers. If your using a variable device, not really. I'd pick 1.8.. just because.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I use my standard Joye 510s (2.3 ohms) on a Twist now, dialed all the way up to 4.8 volts pretty much all the time.
I used to use them in my Chuck with 4.8 volt NiMH batteries, which my meter told me came off the charger at around 5.25 volts.

I do miss the extra oomph, but I am willing to sacrifice it for the smaller form factor of the Twists.

Same here -- 4.8v is perrrrrfect on those attys, but that 5+ volt is a hit all right!

 

[hippieben]

Have you thoguhgt about getting an HH-357 since you are already a fan of "Cisco Specs"? (I think I read that you are.)

I haven't thought too hard about it. The guy that makes them is a regular customer at the vape shop I go to so the owner gets them for basically free. He gave me one and I played around with it at the store, but ended up leaving it there because I wasn't too impressed with it. It was pretty used though. Are they really that much better? Also, I like the draw on 901s since it never gets clogged with juice as 510s, 306s, and other "bottom airflow" atties do. The 901 air flow does have some draw backs though, as you really have to give it a few good dry pulls to get the juice back into the atty from the drip shield otherwise you'll get a burnt hit. So yeah, an HH.357 may be worth trying... but it's like 3 times the price...

Actually, I just looked at avid vaper's website and HH.357s come in a 901 version... that's kind of exciting

 

[Mr.Mann]

I haven't thought too hard about it. The guy that makes them is a regular customer at the vape shop I go to so the owner gets them for basically free. He gave me one and I played around with it at the store, but ended up leaving it there because I wasn't too impressed with it. It was pretty used though. Are they really that much better? Also, I like the draw on 901s since it never gets clogged with juice as 510s, 306s, and other "bottom airflow" atties do. The 901 air flow does have some draw backs though, as you really have to give it a few good dry pulls to get the juice back into the atty from the drip shield otherwise you'll get a burnt hit. So yeah, an HH.357 may be worth trying... but it's like 3 times the price...

Actually, I just looked at avid vaper's website and HH.357s come in a 901 version... that's kind of exciting

Depends on who you ask, just as most things in vaping. But if you have an affinity toward 901s, I'd say they're sure to be good, but worth the price would be a different story. In my case; with the price I pay for attys plus the price the HH is sold for, they would have to be 12x better to justify MY purchase. I am a total flake when it comes to the HH because as soon as I've decided to go for it again, I realize exactly what I can do with $25+ in vape supplies. However, if I wasn't a penny-pinchin' stay-at-home-dad, I wouldn't think twice about it. But if you've got the funds, go for it!

 

[billherbst]

I use my standard Joye 510s (2.3 ohms) on a Twist now, dialed all the way up to 4.8 volts pretty much all the time.
I used to use them in my Chucks with 4.8 volt NiMH batteries, which my meter told me came off the charger at around 5.25 volts.

I do miss the extra oomph, but I am willing to sacrifice it for the smaller form factor of the Twists.

Those are unloaded voltages. Actual voltages under load for Twists and the green NIMHs are considerably lower. I know, because I use both and just checked. On a twist set to 4.8 volts with a 2.3 ohm Joyetech 510 atty, my voltage under load is 4.06V. With the same atty on a mech mod with a freshly-charged 5V NIMH battery (reading 5.4 volts), voltage under load is only 3.91V. Interestingly, the Twist has less voltage (.7 volts) drop than the NIMH (1.5 volts). YMMV, of course.

 

[y cherry y]

Depends on who you ask, just as most things in vaping. But if you have an affinity toward 901s, I'd say they're sure to be good, but worth the price would be a different story.

I'm an HH fan, but wouldn't get the 901 version just because the Empire Mods Premium 901 ("901p") is such a perfect 901 that I can't imagine the HH being better. The EM 901p is just as tasty as a 510 HH, and it requires NO break-in; it hits perfectly from the first drag.

I do love the 901 flavor, but with some juices, I count the throat hit as being an indispensable part of the experience, and 901's are notoriously lacking in that department. So I mainly use them for fruit or dessert vapes -- things with delicate flavors. I usually stick to 510's for tobaccos and teas.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I'm an HH fan, but wouldn't get the 901 version just because the Empire Mods Premium 901 ("901p") is such a perfect 901 that I can't imagine the HH being better. The EM 901p is just as tasty as a 510 HH, and it requires NO break-in; it hits perfectly from the first drag.

I do love the 901 flavor, but with some juices, I count the throat hit as being an indispensable part of the experience, and 901's are notoriously lacking in that department. So I mainly use them for fruit or dessert vapes -- things with delicate flavors. I usually stick to 510's for tobaccos and teas.

The 901p was my first EM atty (if I remember correctly) and I was thoroughly impressed with it for a time. Ab-so-freakin'-lutely the best hit of an OOTB atty. Seriously, it was like whoa! TH, no, but flavor and vapor, whoa.

 

[y cherry y]

The 901p was my first EM atty (if I remember correctly) and I was thoroughly impressed with it for a time. Ab-so-freakin'-lutely the best hit of an OOTB atty. Seriously, it was like whoa! TH, no, but flavor and vapor, whoa.

Yeah, it's delicious. But a lot of what I (and you) like just needs that extra blast from a 510. I have a theory that because the air doesn't come directly up through the connector like a 510 does -- but has to take a right turn coming in from the side -- that that somehow changes the delivery. This also says something about why RBA's with a side air hole don't feel right to me. Even the ones that approximate the size of a regular atty, like the Igo-S, don't give me the draw I'm looking for.