Regulated clones, where are they?

[ppeeble]

Maybe all the 'clone' manufacturers are now considered to be original producers ?
Browse the FT site and you will come across countless listings for 'authentic sucksmoke hero mod' and the like !
The defining factor used to be the chipset in the mod, not the zinc alloy casing. Then Evolve came along and now there are 40+ dna 75 mods out there made by companies who not so long ago no-one had heard of.
Some companies who used to be considered clone manufacturers are now thought of as designers and original producers. It's a crazy and beautiful thing to behold.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Maybe all the 'clone' manufacturers are now considered to be original producers ?
Browse the FT site and you will come across countless listings for 'authentic sucksmoke hero mod' and the like !
The defining factor used to be the chipset in the mod, not the zinc alloy casing. Then Evolve came along and now there are 40+ DNA 75 mods out there made by companies who not so long ago no-one had heard of.
Some companies who used to be considered clone manufacturers are now thought of as designers and original producers. It's a crazy and beautiful thing to behold.

It was a no brainer, with companies like Hana and Provape charging a kidney for a mediocre device, the industry practically begged the Chinese cloners to get involved.
They asked for it.

Now, Chinese companies make their own chips. It aint that hard. China makes the IPhone. They arent new to electronics.

These new cheaper devices are the future and you can thank those overpriced authentic pioneers for bringing it to us.

 

[vapdivrr]

It was a no brainer, with companies like Hana and Provape charging a kidney for a mediocre device, the industry practically begged the Chinese cloners to get involved.
They asked for it.

Now, Chinese companies make their own chips. It aint that hard. China makes the IPhone. They arent new to electronics.

These new cheaper devices are the future and you can thank those overpriced authentic pioneers for bringing it to us.

Provape mediocre? Over priced, yes , but not mediocre. I think the radius is a dam fine quality mod that is far from mediocre.

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[ppeeble]

I wouldn't label Provape as a mediocre anything. Top quality STEEL mods with bespoke chipsets is anything but mediocre. Expensive yes, average no. But this isn't a Provape thread....
As for the inner gubbins of a lot of China designed and manufactured devices, it's still a lottery on whether they fulfil the promises on the box. Or even work.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Provape mediocre? Over priced, yes , but not mediocre. I think the radius is a dam fine quality mod that is far from mediocre.

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The radius was too little, too late.

Provape killed themselves with a poor business management.
They resisted the buying trends in the industry they survived on.
They were edgy, and bucked the status quo, avoiding the high watt/sub ohm movement, and alienating a large portion of their customer base.

The Radius was a last ditch effort, that came too late.

 

[vapdivrr]

The radius was too little, too late.

Provape killed themselves with a poor business management.
They resisted the buying trends in the industry they survived on.
They were edgy, and bucked the status quo, avoiding the high watt/sub ohm movement, and alienating a large portion of their customer base.

The Radius was a last ditch effort, that came too late.

What's all that? Has nothing to do with your statement about the quality of them, their products are not mediocre no matter what you think about their business model

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[Asbestos4004]

As far as ProVape is concerned...It's pretty obvious they had no interest in catering to ALL vapers. They stayed true to their vision and got out with a nice profit. Good for them. They made the only regulated mods I was never able to break. If they wanted to build a 200w mod, they would have...and they probably would have done it first.

The market obviously turned to high wattage devices, low ohm builds and cloud tricks. They stuck with what they wanted to stick with. I don't think they couldn't keep up with the times...I think they chose not to. I respect that. I have a few Radius' and they're great...for 40w mods. Build quality is fantastic. I also have a bunch of mods I like better.

 

[Bad Ninja]

What's all that? Has nothing to do with your statement about the quality of them, their products are not mediocre no matter what you think about their business model

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Dont get emotional.
I have no dog in that flea bath.

They made very soild device.
But they had mediocre performance for the marketplace.
They wouldnt fire a .5 ohm coil and were seriously underpowered until they finally released the Radius much too late in the game.

Their own customers asked for years for more power and a higher threshold, and they replied with a statement on their website saying Provape would not make such a device.
They did eventually make the Radius.
Too little, too late.

The provari was a solid product that didnt evolve and went the way of the dinosaurs.
Circle of life.

 

[Asbestos4004]

It's pretty funny...when I joined ECF, there was ProVari, REO and everything else. Feuds galore and two seriously passionate camps following each. ProVari will always have a spot in my heart...the v2 was my first nice mod and it was instrumental in me staying off smokes. Boge and SvoeMesto had something to do with that too...

I've had 2 REOs with me everyday for about the past month.

Keeping up with the times is tricky.....it seems all of the OG kayfun folks are miffed as to why SvoeMesto would stoop so low as to make the K5. I don't get it...I love that tank.

 

[vapdivrr]

Dont get emotional.
I have no dog in that flea bath.

They made very soild device.
But they had mediocre performance for the marketplace.
They wouldnt fire a .5 ohm coil and were seriously underpowered until they finally released the Radius much too late in the game.

Their own customers asked for years for more power and a higher threshold, and they replied with a statement on their website saying Provape would not make such a device.
They did eventually make the Radius.
Too little, too late.

The provari was a solid product that didnt evolve and went the way of the dinosaurs.
Circle of life.

No , I just think their products are top of the line, that's all. If you think their stuff is mediocre, you must be sporting some serious thizzum that I don't know about. But it's cool, if you think they are just ok products, that's your opinion, I just disagree.

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[Fictitious Character]

I'm sure there are still clones aka counterfeit regulated devices getting slipped by us but the hay day of counterfeit devices seemed to of passed by when Evolv started making their dna boards available to Chinese manufacturers. When I started vaping around the time the dna 30 was released and Chinese dna mods were pretty rampant in the wild.

As far as regulated cloned devices today I think they mainly come from deals that fell through with Chinese manufacturers that either sold more devices out the back door than the front door, or where seconds/blems are passed off as first grade products either with our without the manufacturers knowledge. jmo opinions of course.

 

[Bad Ninja]

No , I just think their products are top of the line, that's all. If you think their stuff is mediocre, you must be sporting some serious thizzum that I don't know about. But it's cool, if you think they are just ok products, that's your opinion, I just disagree.

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Did you miss my post?

A 20watt mod that wont fire below .8 ohms in a world full of 100+ watt devices an premade .5ohm sub ohm coil heads for tanks is mediocre performance at best.

It has nothing to do with the quality of said mediocre device.

They had a fantastic warranty and customer service too.

 

[Asbestos4004]

If that's the definition of 'mediocre' then I agree 100%

I think it's a top shelf mod that won't fire below .8 ohm and won't go over 20w.

 

[Eskie]

I think the disconnect here is why would a company deliberately choose to not adapt to market changes and hold onto their own "vision" of what a product should be? Sure, they might feel they no longer wished to operate as they made their money and just want out of the rat race. But AFAIK, they were a for profit business employing x number of people making their products. I'm not sure how many of those employees were all that thrilled at getting laid off because the founders decided they didn't like the way people vape these days.

Certainly, it's their business, and their business decisions to make. They're not a public company with stockholders to answer to. They did make a well built, reliable device which in its time was state of the art. But allowing your business to close because you didn't want to make a product that actually appealed to new customers is, at best, difficult to explain.

 

[Steamer861]

There's really nothing left to Clone. The high end reg device market has shrunk!
Even DNA mods can be purchased for 50 to 80 $ if you look around.
Back in the day, when a Hanna mod was 200$ & imposable to get there was an opportunity for cloners.
Those days are gone! To many choices now for bargin prices, not feasible to clone high end stuff any more.

 

[Asbestos4004]

As far as I know, they didn't want to deal with the FDA requirements looming... Zen was going to buy the company and had backers lined up. The backers pulled out at the last minute due to the looming regs. He re-organized with different investors and they eventually backed out too. This has apparently been going on for awhile.

 

[vapdivrr]

Did you miss my post?

A 20watt mod that wont fire below .8 ohms in a world full of 100+ watt devices an premade .5ohm sub ohm coil heads for tanks is mediocre performance at best.

It has nothing to do with the quality of said mediocre device.

They had a fantastic warranty and customer service too.

Oh ok, so now your saying it's mediocre in its limitations, not quality? I would agree on that, but I took it as if you were saying that it's quality was mediocre, as I'm sure most others did as well. I look at it like a vehicle, just because one has only 4 or 6 cylinders and a smaller gas tank doesn't mean it's mediocre, but I guess you are one that just looks at its trendy features to consider something not mediocre instead of the way it's built. I honestly think it's a shame that in today's world, as long as it's bigger, more powerful and and the in thing, that it's considered better... quality is out the door, when it breaks we will just buy a new one.

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[Bad Ninja]

I think the disconnect here is why would a company deliberately choose to not adapt to market changes and hold onto their own "vision" of what a product should be? Sure, they might feel they no longer wished to operate as they made their money and just want out of the rat race. But AFAIK, they were a for profit business employing x number of people making their products. I'm not sure how many of those employees were all that thrilled at getting laid off because the founders decided they didn't like the way people vape these days.

Certainly, it's their business, and their business decisions to make. They're not a public company with stockholders to answer to. They did make a well built, reliable device which in its time was state of the art. But allowing your business to close because you didn't want to make a product that actually appealed to new customers is, at best, difficult to explain.

You see it all the time.

Oh ok, so now your saying it's mediocre in its limitations, not quality? I would agree on that, but I took it as if you were saying that it's quality was mediocre, as I'm sure most others did as well. I look at it like a vehicle, just because one has only 4 or 6 cylinders and a smaller gas tank doesn't mean it's mediocre, but I guess you are one that just looks at its trendy features to consider something not mediocre instead of the way it's built. I honestly think it's a shame that in today's world, as long as it's bigger, more powerful and and the in thing, that it's considered better... quality is out the door, when it breaks we will just buy a new one.

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It seems you took it personally.
It's a just vape company.


You should slow down and stop inferring emotion onto an internet post

Nothing I posted above was incorrect or opinion, just the facts as posted by Provape themselves.

Provape and Reo have strangely fanatical follwers who view anything unflattering as blasphemy whether true or not.
It's very odd and IMHO, one of the reasons for the fall of both





Back on topic, regulated authentics are available from mild to wild, from overly expensive to budget oriented.

"Authentic" isn't a sign of a high price tag any longer, and it's about damn time.

 

[Alter]

I honestly think it's a shame that in today's world, as long as it's bigger, more powerful and and the in thing, that it's considered better... quality is out the door, when it breaks we will just buy a new one.

This generation lives in a disposable society. Things are bought knowing when it breaks it gets thrown out then replaced, us older folx believe more in quality and willing to pay to have that. Its cause of the todays yuppies who don't want to vape to quit smoking they want to vape to schwing their junk to prove to who knows they are superior. I paid huge bucks 4 years ago for my provaris and still enjoy its quality. I am scared to buy some cheaper mods that have cheap chips cause those chips might or might not do what they are suppose to and vaping wire that can cause noxious fumes if mishandled really scares the hell outta me. Too bad Provape bailed and now we have to rely on manufactures who just pump out the numbers and concerned bout profits rather than quality gear.

 

[WillyZee]

there was a ProVari clone ... the PloVari

basically just another cheap chinese knockoff ... however, lacking the magical ProVape chip.