so I know with the fda regs coming up , everyone is stocking up. I have been too. Does anyone think that anything will pass before August? So company's can keep mixing juice and selling coils and all of that? I'm prepared for it but I'm just a little bit curious if the fda has found out more about vaping and how much better it is for you.
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The regulations have nothing to do with how much better vaping is compared to smoking. It's all about the money. The FDA is a corrupt government agency catering to the needs of Big Tobacco and Big Pharma, who would have stood to lose a lot of money had the e-cigarette industry been allowed to prosper. The FDA is not interested in protecting the public's health, its only interested in protecting its sources of income.
Think about it. If the FDA was truly concerned about any potential harmful effects of vaping or smoking, why have they not already banned tobacco products altogether? The science is there plain as day on the harmful effects of tobacco. It's because the government makes too much money from Big Tobacco, so the government banning tobacco products would be stupid from a financial perspective.
The worse part of the regulations from my personal perspective is losing the ability to go into a vape shop to sample different flavors. I began vaping back in the day before there were vape shops where you can sample flavors for free, and you had to order your flavors "blindly" online based on a flavor description. That rarely worked out very well.
Companies can continue to make e-juice up until 2018, but free sampling in vape shops stops August 2016. Vape gear (coils, tanks, and mods) can continue to be sold up until 2018.
Think about it. If the FDA was truly concerned about any potential harmful effects of vaping or smoking, why have they not already banned tobacco products altogether? The science is there plain as day on the harmful effects of tobacco. It's because the government makes too much money from Big Tobacco, so the government banning tobacco products would be stupid from a financial perspective.
The worse part of the regulations from my personal perspective is losing the ability to go into a vape shop to sample different flavors. I began vaping back in the day before there were vape shops where you can sample flavors for free, and you had to order your flavors "blindly" online based on a flavor description. That rarely worked out very well.
Companies can continue to make e-juice up until 2018, but free sampling in vape shops stops August 2016. Vape gear (coils, tanks, and mods) can continue to be sold up until 2018.
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I'm stocking for 10 years plus redundancy and hoping it isn't necessary after all. I'm simple to stock for, 3 liters of nic, 5 Picos, 5 VTwo minis, 10 SV rda clones, plus odds and ends. Not much money compared to smoking. I'll get some extra nic so that if the mods and nic hold up better than I expected the stash will last longer.
I think what the government is most concerned about is steering kids away from vaping so they smoke instead. If the kids don't smoke the Tobacco Age, and all that easy money, will go away pretty fast. If there were no excise taxes on tobacco everybody would love ecigs and the inventor would get the Nobel prize in Medicine. Follow the money.
The FDA has had plenty of time to find out more about vaping. We have been talking about the benefits of vaping, and eventual regulations, for years. I started vaping in early 2011, and we were talking about this stuff then. Truth is: the FDA hasn't wanted to learn more about vaping. It conflicted with their agenda. They approached the regulations wearing blinders and ear plugs.
Sorry - not laughing at YOU...just laughing at the concept that the FDA cares what's good for you...
They don't.
It's going to create a black market, underground, in house making of juices and what not and someone is going to get hurt or killed due to either a wrongly mixed juice with too much nic, or who knows what someone will mix up in a juice or shoddy made unregulated mods that will go boom because the vape shops that do stay open can not explain and show on how to use something safely.
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I'm curious; on another thread, you were kind of mocking everyone that was stocking up before the FDA Deeming took effect, and you didn't feel you needed to. Now you are. What changed your mind?
I'm curious; on another thread, you were kind of mocking everyone that was stocking up before the FDA Deeming took effect, and you didn't feel you needed to. Now you are. What changed your mind?
Something to keep in mind is that once the August 8th date comes ecigs are officially tobacco products. This will give states the go ahead to tax ecigs at whatever sin tax rates they like. Things could get quite expensive. I know Pa. has a 40% tax on ecig products as part of their upcoming budget if not stopped.
New Jersey tried to pass a 75% tax in 2014; I don't even want to think what they'll try this year...
California 62-69% on the ballot for this November election disguised as the $2 tax on cigarettes every self respecting adult should vote for... when we all know the reason they need that $ is because vaping dropped cigarette users and trashed the California budget.
To answer the question about whether the FDA has found out more.. yes they have. There was a recent study they funded that was all love and praise for e-cigs I can't find right now. Not that they care.
To answer the question about whether the FDA has found out more.. yes they have. There was a recent study they funded that was all love and praise for e-cigs I can't find right now. Not that they care.
If you ever come across it again, please share so we can too.
The FDA is using a non-applicable standard to "measure" the health and safety of vapor products, and I say products not vaping because they don't care about vaping, they care about products.
What they're basically doing is saying prove that this airplane is safe, using the automotive vehicle standards. Does it have seatbelts, air bags, turn signals, a safe top speed, brakes.
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As for anything intervening before 8/8, I highly doubt it. Prepare for a long battle.
What they're basically doing is saying prove that this airplane is safe, using the automotive vehicle standards. Does it have seatbelts, air bags, turn signals, a safe top speed, brakes.
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As for anything intervening before 8/8, I highly doubt it. Prepare for a long battle.
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Thanks for that link to a story about the good in vaping! Just a couple points of interest:
The article is dated April 25, but evidently a bit late to even slow the "stop vaping now" train.
Also didn't care for all the "Related News Stories" about the negative side listed down the side of the article. And then there was an advertising banner for a "Free Chantix Coupon!" It seemed to take a bit of "the luster" out of the story.
@Lessifer liked your post even though I just couldn't bring myself to give it an "official" like!
There's an interesting article from the Harvard School of Public Health https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine-features/e-cigarette-quandary/
It's actually an interesting read, ranging from the public health risks to benefits, ending with an individual story of e-cig use.
I'm going to post this one quote from it, as I believe it is central to the issues as they currently stand from a public health perspective:
There is also a discussion of the economics in play, including effects on BT as well.
It's actually an interesting read, ranging from the public health risks to benefits, ending with an individual story of e-cig use.
I'm going to post this one quote from it, as I believe it is central to the issues as they currently stand from a public health perspective:
There is also a discussion of the economics in play, including effects on BT as well.
I've seen quotes around by Zeller in which he concedes vaping is safer than smoking and that public health would be improved if smokers switched to vaping. They know. But they also absolutely cannot tolerate the idea of the FDA not regulating e-cigarettes. Is it just a control thing? Is it to keep the public's money funneled into the pockets of BT and BP? Both perhaps. It's clearly not about public health.
I know those aren't your words, but that's the key to all of this. The vast difference in opinion of what "regulated properly" means.
And it's that difference of opinion which needs to be resolved. The fact that there is already a split between mainstream tobacco researchers on the issue, with more coming on board over time, and even the Surgeon General in that article admitting to having conflicted feelings over the issue will only work to make the FDA's position progressively untenable. It will provide mainstream evidence to support changes by both legislation and litigation. It is an important step. Not the only step, or anywhere near as far as necessary, but it is gaining traction.
Much as the UK's Royal College of Physicians served to fuel a parliamentary debate, similar mainstream medical tobacco researchers in the US coming to accept harm reduction as a reasonable goal will assist in altering the long term direction regulation takes.
Regardless of whatever findings and positions are taken over the next few years by such groups, after 8/8 in the US, the vaping market will never be the same as it is today. The real issue will be how much harm reduction will still be made available, and can what will be draconian limitations modified. This will apply at both the Federal and State level.
Much as the UK's Royal College of Physicians served to fuel a parliamentary debate, similar mainstream medical tobacco researchers in the US coming to accept harm reduction as a reasonable goal will assist in altering the long term direction regulation takes.
Regardless of whatever findings and positions are taken over the next few years by such groups, after 8/8 in the US, the vaping market will never be the same as it is today. The real issue will be how much harm reduction will still be made available, and can what will be draconian limitations modified. This will apply at both the Federal and State level.
As opposed to what? Zero regulation (like right now) is the same as "underground". Just without hiding it. No rules, no authority. No checks and balances. We seem to be doing alright at the moment without regulation. A few mods blowing up here and there. Mostly due to lack of knowledge, but I've seen at least one mention of it happening to someone on this forum who is not an idiot.
What the FDA wants to do is way way way over the top, but some regulation is warranted and needed, if we want to see the masses using vaping as a smoking cessation device. Problem is that the current stance of the FDA will ruin vaping and disallow it to help others stop smoking.
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