REO Technical Issues/Shop Talk

[LittleBird]

I heard back from Rob re: the locking piece. He said either he can send the piece to me or I can send the P67 in for a short stay. From his description, it looks easy enough to fix, so I'm gonna try. I just hate the thought of a week or so without this mod!

 

[Debadoo]

I just hate the thought of a week or so without this mod!

yeah it's a shame he can't send out a loaner! hehehe Good luck with the fix!

 

[Rule62]

I heard back from Rob re: the locking piece. He said either he can send the piece to me or I can send the P67 in for a short stay. From his description, it looks easy enough to fix, so I'm gonna try. I just hate the thought of a week or so without this mod!

You'll be fine. It shouldn't take you more than a few minutes to install it. Pull the tube, unscrew the nipple, remove the strike plate, slide the switch piece on, reassemble. I think Rob has a disassembly video on the website.

 

[elainedwright]

I also determined last night that in addition to no lock piece, mine is missing the adjustable pin for the 510.
Geez... I just can't win for losing with this mod.

 

[Debadoo]

I also determined last night that in addition to no lock piece, mine is missing the adjustable pin for the 510.
Geez... I just can't win for losing with this mod.

Sorry you've experienced these troubles. This is definitely a rare occurrence. Rob will take care of it. Have you emailed or called him already?

 

[Train2]

Of course I mean the lock!!
LOL
I never turn my Reos "off".
The Grand travels with me everywhere - so I remove battery when flying, that's about it.
But I don't stick a woodvil in my pants .
That, I guess, would warrant using the off switch...

You better mean the lock!!! lol I first thought you were saying you hadn't used the p-67 and I thought we were gonna have to stage an intervention, cuz ya done lost yur mind!! hehehe

 

[Rule62]

My Woodvils rarely leave the house, so I never lock them. Neither do I usually lock the Grands, when I'm out and about. But I do use the locks on the P67s, if I'm pocketing them, or putting them in the cup holder of the truck, or a golf cart, because the switch throw is so light and short.

 

[LoriP1702]

So, I have a question, I read somewhere not to take your battery below 3.5, no problem.

Do you all recharge your batteries when they get to 3.5?
I'm used to using regulated ProVaris. They go down to 3.2, and then the button flashes to indicate low battery.

I also thought I'd read that batteries should be fairly drained, down around 3.2, before recharging so as not to diminish battery life.

I'm looking/reading on the (closed) Reo section, but not finding this particular question...I'm sure the answer is there...it's just pretty big.

Thank you in advance for your help.

 

[JC Okie]

So, I have a question, I read somewhere not to take your battery below 3.5, no problem.

Do you all recharge your batteries when they get to 3.5?
I'm used to using regulated ProVaris. They go down to 3.2, and then the button flashes to indicate low battery.

I also thought I'd read that batteries should be fairly drained, down around 3.2, before recharging so as not to diminish battery life.

I'm looking/reading on the (closed) Reo section, but not finding this particular question...I'm sure the answer is there...it's just pretty big.

Thank you in advance for your help.

I usually change mine out when they hit around 3.6-3.7 just because I can tell a drop off in my vape. I think the battery manufacturers say don't ever take them down below 2.5, but I'd never be able to get that low.....just because of the quality of the vape. If you still enjoy the hits you get as your battery drains, then I think you'd be perfectly okay going to 3.5, or even 3.2. The hits would be way too anemic for me at that voltage.

I've always read/heard that partial charges are fine.....no need to drain them down. These aren't the kind of batteries that have "memory" and you have to drain them down all the way in order to expand their capacity.

You should start noticing when your power drops off. If I don't pay attention to when I last changed the battery, how I notice I need to change it out is that the vape gets gradually cooler, and I notice that I over squonk trying to get back the perfect vape. Once I get a fresh battery, problem solved.

 

[LoriP1702]

I usually change mine out when they hit around 3.6-3.7 just because I can tell a drop off in my vape. I think the battery manufacturers say don't ever take them down below 2.5, but I'd never be able to get that low.....just because of the quality of the vape. If you still enjoy the hits you get as your battery drains, then I think you'd be perfectly okay going to 3.5, or even 3.2. The hits would be way too anemic for me at that voltage.

I've always read/heard that partial charges are fine.....no need to drain them down. These aren't the kind of batteries that have "memory" and you have to drain them down all the way in order to expand their capacity.

You should start noticing when your power drops off. If I don't pay attention to when I last changed the battery, how I notice I need to change it out is that the vape gets gradually cooler, and I notice that I over squonk trying to get back the perfect vape. Once I get a fresh battery, problem solved.

Okay, THANK YOU VERY MUCH for that!! I really appreciate the info!
Like I said, I've been looking, but it's a big Reo forum, and a little overwhelming. Lots of good info though, so I don't consider it time wasted at all.
I'm a total noob with this mod, so plenty to learn. Course, it's a wonderfully simple mod, I have the Grand model, but I still want to learn all the in's and out's.

I think I will be able to tell as it drops off, because a couple times now, I've checked the battery, and it was at the 3.7 mark, so even subconsciously, I must have noticed something that prompted the check.

I can actually tell on the regulated too, before it starts flashing, so I'm sure in time, I'll learn the nuances of the Reo too.
Always a learning curve!!

Thank you again!! I'm sure I'll be back here.

 

[Rule62]

So, I have a question, I read somewhere not to take your battery below 3.5, no problem.

Do you all recharge your batteries when they get to 3.5?
I'm used to using regulated ProVaris. They go down to 3.2, and then the button flashes to indicate low battery.

I also thought I'd read that batteries should be fairly drained, down around 3.2, before recharging so as not to diminish battery life.

I'm looking/reading on the (closed) Reo section, but not finding this particular question...I'm sure the answer is there...it's just pretty big.

Thank you in advance for your help.

I think most people recharge at 3.6 or 3.7 because of the drop off in flavor or vapor. IMR batteries drop off in voltage pretty quickly, when they get below 3.7. If you ever see a graph of the gradual drop off of ICR batteries, it's not a straight line. They drop very quickly, from full 4.2 charge, down to around 4.0. Then it's gradual, down to just below 3.7, and then they drop off quickly again.
I've run accidentally them down to 3.5 in my REOs, and had no problems. Anything below 2.5 is not recommended though.

 

[LoriP1702]

I think most people recharge at 3.6 or 3.7 because of the drop off in flavor or vapor. IMR batteries drop off in voltage pretty quickly, when they get below 3.7. If you ever see a graph of the gradual drop off of ICR batteries, it's not a straight line. They drop very quickly, from full 4.2 charge, down to around 4.0. Then it's gradual, down to just below 3.7, and then they drop off quickly again.
I've run accidentally them down to 3.5 in my REOs, and had no problems. Anything below 2.5 is not recommended though.

No, I have not seen a graph. That's good to know though. I honestly thought it was gradual the whole way down.
Thanks!!

I'm getting ready to leave for a family function. I'll pop back in later though.

 

[Mike Geaney]

Keep at it @LoriP1702. I'm fairly new to REO's too but seem to be doing better with the battery management. I wasn't letting them get low enough to detect a drop off. A little more time under my belt and I seem to be noticing right around 3.5.

 

[supertrunker]

Being me, i've run some VTC4's until i could not get a reading on them at all, even with a multimeter - that was not on a Reo but on a regulated mod i'd forgotten to switch off.

For fun, i charged them up, but always kept an eye on them as i did so. They took days to charge and they seemed none the worse for it, although, with batteries once you lose that trust in them, then you might as well throw them out.

The reason that there is a recommended low level for battery charge is because metal deposits start to appear at one of the electrodes and this reduces the capacity of the battery, but worse than that, can also cause internal short circuits which are not a good thing.

As others have said, i've never managed to get a battery on a mechanical mod that low, just because the vape is non-existent.

T

 

[Rule62]

I've found that with smaller, 'flavor' type attys, like Nuppins and RM4s, and particularly with 316L ss wire, I frequently run down to 3.6 or 3.5 before I notice a big drop off.

 

[Debadoo]

So, I have a question, I read somewhere not to take your battery below 3.5, no problem.

Do you all recharge your batteries when they get to 3.5?
I'm used to using regulated ProVaris. They go down to 3.2, and then the button flashes to indicate low battery.

I also thought I'd read that batteries should be fairly drained, down around 3.2, before recharging so as not to diminish battery life.

Jup I notice the vape drop off at 3.8 or 3.7 and change em. With JC, I've always heard that changing them more frequently actually extends their life rather than decreasing it.

 

[Rickajho]

So, I have a question, I read somewhere not to take your battery below 3.5, no problem.

Do you all recharge your batteries when they get to 3.5?
I'm used to using regulated ProVaris. They go down to 3.2, and then the button flashes to indicate low battery.

I also thought I'd read that batteries should be fairly drained, down around 3.2, before recharging so as not to diminish battery life.

I'm looking/reading on the (closed) Reo section, but not finding this particular question...I'm sure the answer is there...it's just pretty big.

Thank you in advance for your help.

A lot of that is outdated information, somewhat confused up with NiMh or even NiCd battery info.

Old ICR chemistry lithium batteries could readily become unsafe if repeatedly dropped below 3.2 volts - which is why they had their own protection circuit on the batteries to prevent that from happening.

Somewhat frustratingly a Provari 2.x still follows that same model and shuts you down when the battery under loads reaches around 3.2 volts - even though the only thing Provape has said you should use for eons are AW IMR chemistry batteries.

Almost all IMR chemistry batteries are safe to draw down to 2.5 volts without causing damage or problems. That can be checked on a case by case basis, but I can't recall ever seeing an IMR chemistry battery in a good two years where the specs didn't say the low voltage limit was 2.5 volts.

Having said that, the stuff at Battery University indicates your IMR batteries will last longer if you charge them without draining them as low as possible or safe. In other words, repeated recharging of batteries at 3.5 volts is better than allowing them to drop to 2.5 volts.

There is no "optimal" discharge level before recharge for lithium ion batteries that will make the last longer. That's old school info that applies to NiMh or NiCd batteries only.

The optimal long term storage voltage for lithium batteries is 3.7 volts. Not ramped all the way up to 4.2 volts, or stored at a depleted voltage either.

 

[LoriP1702]

Keep at it @LoriP1702. I'm fairly new to REO's too but seem to be doing better with the battery management. I wasn't letting them get low enough to detect a drop off. A little more time under my belt and I seem to be noticing right around 3.5.

I agree, it's just going to take time for us to get used to it.

Being me, i've run some VTC4's until i could not get a reading on them at all, even with a multimeter - that was not on a Reo but on a regulated mod i'd forgotten to switch off.

For fun, i charged them up, but always kept an eye on them as i did so. They took days to charge and they seemed none the worse for it, although, with batteries once you lose that trust in them, then you might as well throw them out.

The reason that there is a recommended low level for battery charge is because metal deposits start to appear at one of the electrodes and this reduces the capacity of the battery, but worse than that, can also cause internal short circuits which are not a good thing.

As others have said, i've never managed to get a battery on a mechanical mod that low, just because the vape is non-existent.

T

See, I'd forgotten (when I originally posted that) that the vape would drop way off.
But, it makes complete sense.

I've found that with smaller, 'flavor' type attys, like Nuppins and RM4s, and particularly with 316L ss wire, I frequently run down to 3.6 or 3.5 before I notice a big drop off.

I just have the RM2, and two more on the way. Depending on how all this with the deeming regs falls out, I may or may not get to try a lot of different BF attys. But I wanted to at least have a few of the ones I know I like, so I just grabbed two more the other day.
I would imagine things will be available later on, used if nothing else. Fingers crossed anyway.

Jup I notice the vape drop off at 3.8 or 3.7 and change em. With JC, I've always heard that changing them more frequently actually extends their life rather than decreasing it.

I'm going to try to see if I truly did notice a change, or if it was just me being extremely careful...being a noob and all.

A lot of that is outdated information, somewhat confused up with NiMh or even NiCd battery info.

Old ICR chemistry lithium batteries could readily become unsafe if repeatedly dropped below 3.2 volts - which is why they had their own protection circuit on the batteries to prevent that from happening.

Somewhat frustratingly a Provari 2.x still follows that same model and shuts you down when the battery under loads reaches around 3.2 volts - even though the only thing Provape has said you should use for eons are AW IMR chemistry batteries.

Almost all IMR chemistry batteries are safe to draw down to 2.5 volts without causing damage or problems. That can be checked on a case by case basis, but I can't recall ever seeing an IMR chemistry battery in a good two years where the specs didn't say the low voltage limit was 2.5 volts.

Having said that, the stuff at Battery University indicates your IMR batteries will last longer if you charge them without draining them as low as possible or safe. In other words, repeated recharging of batteries at 3.5 volts is better than allowing them to drop to 2.5 volts.

There is no "optimal" discharge level before recharge for lithium ion batteries that will make the last longer. That's old school info that applies to NiMh or NiCd batteries only.

The optimal long term storage voltage for lithium batteries is 3.7 volts. Not ramped all the way up to 4.2 volts, or stored at a depleted voltage either.

Yes, and I'm from that "old school", sorta kinda.

Not long after I first started vaping (with cigalikes), I went with a ProVari, for a few reasons.
One being that it was about the only one that actually offered a warranty beyond DOA.
The other was that the device was extremely user friendly. As in protected against shorts, low battery, etc.
I needed that because there was so much I had absolutely no clue about, I needed my device to be smarter than me.
I tried to read and learn all about the ProVaris, and basics of the AW IMR batteries that I use, and until the Reo, (a few egos for convenience during vacation travel), I've only used a ProVari.
...course, now I kick myself for waiting so long.


I really do appreciate all the advice and support!! You're all wonderful!!!

 

[Rickajho]

A Provari 2.5 is still not a bad thing to have in your FDA vapocalypse stash, especially when you see someone like 'Lexi put a Joyetech Cubis on one:

And do this with it:

 

[Rickajho]

BTW: If any of you haven't been paying attention - and need batteries - Randy put up a 10% discount code for the weekend:

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