FDA Reply from my Senator Dr. Rand Paul (Ky.) Your Thoughts ?

[edyle]

Donita removed her email addy in the OP, you might want to do the same in your reply above

What are you talking about? You are seeing my email address showing up somewhere?

 

[pt91]

see your post #12...it has her email address in it. not your email address

 

[Kent C]

What are you talking about? You are seeing my email address showing up somewhere?

as pt91 points out - your post #12 - Donita's email addy...

 

[Myk]

What did you ask to get that canned response?

Based on his thoughts about herbals healer harassment and FDA censorship of truthful claims of dietary supplements, I would say he is a raving lunatic. Unless he as a "doctor" has scientific studies to show that supplements are proven to do what they claim I don't know why he is defending false advertising and snake oil salesman.
Just my opinion.

Some doctors believe in combined therapies. Some people believe in freedom of choice.

I had a doctor toying with giving me a antibiotic resistant infection because I wouldn't make his Porsche payments for him. After I saw where I was headed with him and refusing his unneeded surgery I helped cure the problem by adding in herbalism.
If you don't believe in it don't use it. But why does your choice have to dictate what mine can be?

 

[edyle]

as pt91 points out - your post #12 - Donita's email addy...

Ahhh! Thanks.
Fixed.

 

[pt91]

Some doctors believe in combined therapies. Some people believe in freedom of choice.

I had a doctor toying with giving me a antibiotic resistant infection because I wouldn't make his Porsche payments for him. After I saw where I was headed with him and refusing his unneeded surgery I helped cure the problem by adding in herbalism.
If you don't believe in it don't use it. But why does your choice have to dictate what mine can be?

I don't think people shouldn't be able to use herbal/natural remedies but I have a big issue with informercial type claims that aren't or can't be proven with substantial, real studies.
A little googling of cancer cures will show how harmful this can be. Weight loss snake oil maybe less harmful but still taking advantage of consumers.

 

[Myk]

I don't think people shouldn't be able to use herbal/natural remedies but I have a big issue with informercial type claims that aren't or can't be proven with substantial, real studies.
A little googling of cancer cures will show how harmful this can be. Weight loss snake oil maybe less harmful but still taking advantage of consumers.

That's not what Paul is referring to. Watch Farmageddon to see the type of stuff he is referring to.

 

[drksideken]

This letter has the feel of something that has been pre-written and shot out to people who have general complaints against the FDA. It's like a one answer solves all questions memo. Very generic.

 

[WorksForMe]

I’ve heard that some emails to politicians don’t even get read by a real human being. Some of them have computer programs that mine incoming emails for certain keywords and then send out automated canned replies.

J.R.

 

[zoiDman]

Having worked in a Senatorial office, I can assure you that Senators *NEVER* get your individual messages unless you already have some sort of established relationship with the Senator or are otherwise a VIP. The legislative assistants/correspondents answer each letter with a canned response that they try to personalize, if they are decent at their job, and track how many letters/messages they get from constituents on each side of an issue. Seems like whomever answered this one didn't even make an effort to be on point.

Thank you for Posting this shelley cerata.

 

[pt91]

That's not what Paul is referring to. Watch Farmageddon to see the type of stuff he is referring to.

Someone mentions a documentary or even a mockumentary and I will watch it.
Farmageddon...OK, very disturbing that guns are pulled on fruits. Very disturbing that the maker completely believes that the cure for allergies is pure milk without a complete study (maybe they outgrew it...I did).
Amish farmers...that is a legal issue, right or wrong.
I am not a big fan of the fda or the usda over many issues but it seems like the intent of this was that we would be better off without any rules or over site to protect the consumer.
Seems to me that the producer of this documentary should have focused her efforts on the big offenders like tyson, etc.
Paul had a bit part in this.
Since I have been against 95% of what he exposes I can't say I agree with your support for him.

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

Recieved this today. What are your thoughts on his reply?

I wish I was an Amish farmer?

Seriously. Staffers send these things. One of them honed in on the acronym, "FDA" and it triggered a canned response they have for this category. Nobody of importance actually reads your emails on the Federal level. There are just too many. I get similar crap.

 

[Myk]

Someone mentions a documentary or even a mockumentary and I will watch it.
Farmageddon...OK, very disturbing that guns are pulled on fruits. Very disturbing that the maker completely believes that the cure for allergies is pure milk without a complete study (maybe they outgrew it...I did).
Amish farmers...that is a legal issue, right or wrong.
I am not a big fan of the fda or the usda over many issues but it seems like the intent of this was that we would be better off without any rules or over site to protect the consumer.
Seems to me that the producer of this documentary should have focused her efforts on the big offenders like tyson, etc.
Paul had a bit part in this.
Since I have been against 95% of what he exposes I can't say I agree with your support for him.

Why does it matter to you so much that someone believes raw milk cures them? They're not pushing it on you, certainly not forcing it on you. Seems to be very similar to ecigs to me.

Why would she have focused on Tyson? That's not what it was about.
But isn't it funny the government alphabet soup can spend their time going after tiny farmers selling raw milk to those who want it and ecigs being sold to those who want it while at the same time big companies are doing big crimes and creating real dangers. Did the government hold the CEO of Tyson and his family at gun point?

So basically you say you're prejudiced against against subjects because of who's for them or which party is for them. I guess that's your choice, too bad you don't allow anyone else to have a choice.

 

[Kent C]

Why does it matter to you so much that someone believes raw milk cures them? They're not pushing it on you, certainly not forcing it on you. Seems to be very similar to ecigs to me.

Why would she have focused on Tyson? That's not what it was about.
But isn't it funny the government alphabet soup can spend their time going after tiny farmers selling raw milk to those who want it and ecigs being sold to those who want it while at the same time big companies are doing big crimes and creating real dangers. Did the government hold the CEO of Tyson and his family at gun point?

So basically you say you're prejudiced against against subjects because of who's for them or which party is for them. I guess that's your choice, too bad you don't allow anyone else to have a choice.

Tyson is the bad "Big Chicken" - that's why, and you're absolutely right - this is the same as ecigs but it goes to whose ox is being gored.... as I've pointed out in other posts. Many "advocates" won't see the broader picture or more precisely the basic concepts involved - they see it for ecigs - even make the right arguments, but can't extrapolate that out, or are blind to the rest. Most will continue to support those politicians who are after ecigs now, because they agree with almost everything else done in the name of 'public good' or 'we know what's best for you'. And my guess is that some would be against Rand Paul even if he were 100% for ecigarettes. He is a 'possible' for 2016 and that makes him a target.

 

[Myk]

Tyson is the bad "Big Chicken" - that's why, and you're absolutely right - this is the same as ecigs but it goes to whose ox is being gored.... as I've pointed out in other posts. Many "advocates" won't see the broader picture or more precisely the basic concepts involved - they see it for ecigs - even make the right arguments, but can't extrapolate that out, or are blind to the rest. Most will continue to support those politicians who are after ecigs now, because they agree with almost everything else done in the name of 'public good' or 'we know what's best for you'. And my guess is that some would be against Rand Paul even if he were 100% for ecigarettes. He is a 'possible' for 2016 and that makes him a target.

What I really don't get is Big Chicken has been allowed to get away with everything by the politicians those who cry about Big Chicken support. They don't agree with almost everything, they simply ignore what they don't agree with and blame it on the others they don't support. Party line politics at its best.

 

[Kent C]

What I really don't get is Big Chicken has been allowed to get away with everything by the politicians those who cry about Big Chicken support. They don't agree with almost everything, they simply ignore what they don't agree with and blame it on the others they don't support. Party line politics at its best.

Yep. Those who 'hate' anything big in business are the ones who actually create the bigness, assisted by the big government for which they support and vote. Only government can eliminate the competition of 'big', which is why this ecig regulation, as written, could end up eliminating small vendors leaving "BT" with a cartel/monopoly. They think the 'free market' means 'anything goes'. It doesn't.

 

[pt91]

Why does it matter to you so much that someone believes raw milk cures them? They're not pushing it on you, certainly not forcing it on you. Seems to be very similar to ecigs to me.

Why would she have focused on Tyson? That's not what it was about.
But isn't it funny the government alphabet soup can spend their time going after tiny farmers selling raw milk to those who want it and ecigs being sold to those who want it while at the same time big companies are doing big crimes and creating real dangers. Did the government hold the CEO of Tyson and his family at gun point?

So basically you say you're prejudiced against against subjects because of who's for them or which party is for them. I guess that's your choice, too bad you don't allow anyone else to have a choice.

It doesn't matter so much to me that someone claims to be cured by milk but I am skeptical. I could turn it around and ask why you seem to just accept that that is a fact.
I would much rather see tyson held at gunpoint to tell you the truth.
If I remember correctly a change was made around 2010 or 2011 to make sure this doesn't not happen again (guns at produce). If you question me about this I will dig it up and post it for you.

 

[pt91]

Tyson is the bad "Big Chicken" - that's why, and you're absolutely right - this is the same as ecigs but it goes to whose ox is being gored.... as I've pointed out in other posts. Many "advocates" won't see the broader picture or more precisely the basic concepts involved - they see it for ecigs - even make the right arguments, but can't extrapolate that out, or are blind to the rest. Most will continue to support those politicians who are after ecigs now, because they agree with almost everything else done in the name of 'public good' or 'we know what's best for you'. And my guess is that some would be against Rand Paul even if he were 100% for ecigarettes. He is a 'possible' for 2016 and that makes him a target.

You got me. I do refuse to get behind a politican that is pro vaping or at least pretends to be when I despise all the other things he/she stands for.
I want fairness in our little world of fog but I will not sell my soul for it.
IMO chicken, guns, etc. are not all the same.
Can't lump us all into one category. I won't take that bait. We, at I, am not that simple.
Keep loving on your canned responses from politicians. They don't care...yet.

 

[Myk]

It doesn't matter so much to me that someone claims to be cured by milk but I am skeptical. I could turn it around and ask why you seem to just accept that that is a fact.
I would much rather see tyson held at gunpoint to tell you the truth.
If I remember correctly a change was made around 2010 or 2011 to make sure this doesn't not happen again (guns at produce). If you question me about this I will dig it up and post it for you.

I don't accept it as fact, I accept it as being their choice.
I treat Ulcerative Colitis with nicotine. I have science backing me up but I still have zealots acting like I'm crazy. I also see people claiming diet cured them, no problem. It's when people start preaching diet will cure everyone that I have a problem and have no problem telling them about it.

Not sure what you mean about guns at produce.

 

[pt91]

following your logic westboro baptist church is ok, right. it is their choice.
Some things I can't accept.

In the film guns were drawn at produce, right? You asked me to watch it and I did.