Luckily, not much has Changed since the Founding Fathers were around.
So what again is Wrong with One Person - One Vote, Candidate with Most Votes Wins?
FDA Letter from senator Dianne Feinstein
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Luckily, not much has Changed since the Founding Fathers were around.
So what again is Wrong with One Person - One Vote, Candidate with Most Votes Wins?
The dots on this map are the most populated cities in the US. If elections were decided on popular vote, those voters and their agendas would carry the election, not giving rural Americans a chance in any election. It's complicated and took me awhile to wrap my head around it too..lol
Honestly I kind of like the idea of one person one vote. Although the western part of the country(excluding the west coast) seems like it may not hold much weight in the elections. I found a map of the US population and it seems that the country is not entirely populated by those cities. 
The dots on this map are the most populated cities in the US. If elections were decided on popular vote, those voters and their agendas would carry the election, not giving rural Americans a chance in any election. It's complicated and took me awhile to wrap my head around it too..lol
Kinda a Simplistic Map. Dontcha think?
Yeah, very complicated. A concept from a By Gone Era.
I'm always somewhat Amused when people refer to the Framers of our Constitution and say that this is what they wanted. Because I wonder if you took one of those people and placed him in the Modern World, if he would say...
"Holy Snit, this is a Completely Different Country. And what we Envisioned as what works Doesn't Really Apply any more."
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One Person - One Vote. Doesn't Matter Where you Live. Candidate with the Most Votes Wins.
No I do not think so..Currently the administration is trying it's best to rule the US and make policies with the stroke of a pen. He has in some respect, been stopped by congress and that is why the framers of the constitution made laws for it to be that way.
See those founding fathers went through British rule and that sort of thing they made sure would never happen here.
So in the same respect as Whig and Tory (British Rule Supporters) were still around at the time in large populated cities, so are the Liberal Socialist leaning that populate the large cities. Altho true, we are vastly becoming a nation on social welfare and are ALMOST forced to buy our goods from overseas,(like they were forced to by from the British) It's not that bad yet really.
But with the way some administrations hide things in bills to tax to death the people,(the British didn't need to hide their imposed taxes) the ones in rural America need to have a say in the vote and that IS the way it is.
Otherwise as I said, one political party would almost always rule.
Populations :
New York City 19,949,502
2 Los Angeles 13,131,431
3 Chicago 9,537,289
4 Dallas–Fort Worth 6,810,913
5 Houston 6,313,158
6 Philadelphia 6,034,678
7 Washington, D.C. 5,949,859
8 Miami 5,828,191
9 Atlanta 5,522,942
10 Boston 4,684,299
11 San Francisco 4,516,276
12 Phoenix 4,398,762
13 San Bernardino-Riverside 4,380,878
14 Detroit 4,294,98
15 Seattle 3,610,105
16 Minneapolis–St. Paul 3,459,146
17 San Diego 3,211,252
18 Tampa–St. Petersburg 2,870,569
19 St. Louis 2,810,056
20 Baltimore 2,770,738
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I think this would be a Great Thread for the OUTSIDE section of the ECF. And I might even Break my Self-Imposed Ban on going there to Participate in it.
But I will make One Comment and then it's back to e-Cigarette Related Politics for Me.
I think someone should think Long and Hard before any Voter is Disenfranchised in this Country because of a System that was invented long before the Industrial Revolution.
And that I Do Not believe that the Framers of the Constitution believed that the way we Elect our Representatives or the Office of the President should be a Static, Never Changing Procedure.
I believe that the Framers saw the Need for the Ability of Change as the Country Changed.
But I will make One Comment and then it's back to e-Cigarette Related Politics for Me.
I think someone should think Long and Hard before any Voter is Disenfranchised in this Country because of a System that was invented long before the Industrial Revolution.
And that I Do Not believe that the Framers of the Constitution believed that the way we Elect our Representatives or the Office of the President should be a Static, Never Changing Procedure.
I believe that the Framers saw the Need for the Ability of Change as the Country Changed.
Not disenfranchised ..I'll put in simply then..and will also get back on topic.
Atlanta has ruffly 5.5mil people most vote Dem
Greenville SC has 61k in population..those vote mainly Repub .. without the Electoral Collage those votes would not amount to anything. So why vote?
They have a voice and a Representative in government to write to about their disgust at the government regulating e-cigs..lol
Btw the popular vote decides the Electoral Collage
Electoral College map showing the results of the 2012 U.S. presidential election. President Barack Obama (D-IL) won the popular vote in 26 states and the District of Columbia (denoted in blue) to capture 332 electoral votes. Former Governor Mitt Romney (R-MA) won the popular vote in 24 states (denoted in red) to capture 206 electoral votes.
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When they say...
https://thehill.com/policy/212879-democrat-wants-fda-ban-on-marketing-e-cigs-to-children
Kinda like what RJ Reynolds Vuse was rolled out with?
... does that sound like Non-Refillable Cartos to you?
https://thehill.com/policy/212879-democrat-wants-fda-ban-on-marketing-e-cigs-to-children
Kinda like what RJ Reynolds Vuse was rolled out with?
They are well meaning but uninformed..like at least 50% of the American voters are.
Yeah, because things that actually kill children, like toothpaste, are the absolute models for childproofing containers. Oh, wait...
The Powers that be are using a Time Honored, Tried and True tactic that is Very Hard to Defend Against.
At that is "We Have to Save the Children".
I don't think the Vast Majority of People have a Problem with Child-Resistant Containers. If the Alternative is Not Container at All. But what I am seeing is a Subtle change of Wording. "Nicotine Cartridges that are Child-Proof".
That is Very Troubling because it does Not Imply that e-Liquids would be Sold in Liquid form. But that what is Wanted is Pre-Filled Cartos or Clearos.
I think a State of Apathy has set in with Many Vaper's. That I'll be OK because I can DIY and then fill my RBA. So I don't need to be Concerned. Just Kick Back and whatever Happens, Happens.
e-Liquids Only being sold in Pre-Filled Cartos/Clearos kinda puts the Kibosh on this type of Thinking.
You hit that nail on the head. I guess some can't swim with the fish so to speak. But I know several posters on here that will keep emailing Senators til their fingers bleed.
This has turned into a major political discussion. The two subjects do, however, seem slightly entertwined. The truth is, the United States has a vastly greater population than when it was founded. The way it was SUPPOSED to work, was so many people were represented by one congressman. Now, the problem with that, is that the biggest populations of people are not the mid west and mainly on the eastern seaboard. So, individual states gain or loose power depending on the population.
The problem arises when some states just simply don't have enough people to even be represented. The number of congressmen is fixed at 435. If going by today's population, it should be one person per roughly 700,000 people. Wyoming has a population of around 580,000. California has a population of about 38,000,000. Now, Wyoming has one representative. Oddly enough, their voters have a bit more "voting power" than someone in California. It's a sticky subject. This graph gives you a rough estimation of what states have what power:
This chart shows, the right 9 states hold a majority over the other 41 states.
So, it all boils down to.... your vote power depends on what geographic location you live in...but, your vote power may be in the minority. Theoretically, the system should work, but in reality, it's not totally fair. The problems of the farmers, and the midwest regions aren't duly represented. IF there were a problem with policies that affected the midwest regions over an urban area, it woulnd't get as much attention. Policies and laws are passed based on where the majority of people live.
So, if you are talking about... say.. second hand vapor, you've got to look at it not from a "farmer vaping in his pasture", but as "someone vaping on the streets of LA".
I live in a semi-rural area. The laws being proposed and passed by the FDA don't seem geared towards my area.
The problem arises when some states just simply don't have enough people to even be represented. The number of congressmen is fixed at 435. If going by today's population, it should be one person per roughly 700,000 people. Wyoming has a population of around 580,000. California has a population of about 38,000,000. Now, Wyoming has one representative. Oddly enough, their voters have a bit more "voting power" than someone in California. It's a sticky subject. This graph gives you a rough estimation of what states have what power:
This chart shows, the right 9 states hold a majority over the other 41 states.
So, it all boils down to.... your vote power depends on what geographic location you live in...but, your vote power may be in the minority. Theoretically, the system should work, but in reality, it's not totally fair. The problems of the farmers, and the midwest regions aren't duly represented. IF there were a problem with policies that affected the midwest regions over an urban area, it woulnd't get as much attention. Policies and laws are passed based on where the majority of people live.
So, if you are talking about... say.. second hand vapor, you've got to look at it not from a "farmer vaping in his pasture", but as "someone vaping on the streets of LA".
I live in a semi-rural area. The laws being proposed and passed by the FDA don't seem geared towards my area.
I happen to be One of those.
And it is Perhaps More Important to be Send House and Senate Members who are Friendly to the Concept of e-Cigarettes Study and Report Results.
Because they need to be Able to Counter the BS that Certain Anti e-Cigarette Senators are Spewing. And in a Best Case Scenario, have a Study or Report put into the Public Record when a Feinstein or Boxer start Barfing Up all their Skewed Rhetoric during a Hearing. Or while giving a Press Briefings.
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Your Congressional Rep is Timothy Barr where mine is Bruce Williamson.
House Members List
US Senate is Johnny Isakson and Saxby Chambliss
Also when you write those email include one to the Senate Research Office:
404-657-0929 (fax)
Your Congressional Rep is Timothy Barr where mine is Bruce Williamson.
House Members List
US Senate is Johnny Isakson and Saxby Chambliss
Also when you write those email include one to the Senate Research Office:
404-657-0929 (fax)
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Well I wrote her a little note for you. Simply stating that we don't want our liberties taken away and a few more comments......................................................................................................................................................They don't listen..... she is probably a friend of Stanton gl ANTZ'. They know not what they do.
It is sad that our "representatives" are so ignorant
They are not ignorant - this is about money, power and control.
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