Research before buying

[xjonquilx]

Man has a point here about public communication on the internet PERIOD, not just here. I don't know how many groups and forums I've quit because it seemed like so many folks were just interested in bashing anyone that didn't share their point of view and/or even bashed others when they didn't even understand what the other person was saying and just jumped to conclusions instead of asking some probing questions. Arguing on the internet is kind of like running in the special Olympics... You likely know where that quote is going. It honestly astounds me that some folks feel superior over having upset someone, pushed them to leave, or gotten them to the point where they cease responding. Just because you're good at trolling people doesn't mean you're the smartest cookie in the room. Just the loneliest and most pathetic... /my two cents.

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[Rob0506]

Well, I had to take a look at Pappys post history to find out who was dissing him.
You can look for yourself, it seems to be an issue with people liking cartomizers and he prefers clearomizers.
When people tell him why they prefer carto tanks he seems to feel he's being talked down to. I didn't read that in any of the posts myself, but some of his reactions were a little "snippy"

I think you need to chill a little, man. I prefer carto tanks to clearomizers, but I do enjoy a good clearo now and again.
Also, you have a rock solid setup. You SHOULD be proud of it. Hell, ask anyone who doesn't own a Provari and they want one. Ask anyone who owns a Provari and they want ANOTHER one!
The Aspire is a great clearo as well, but not everyone likes clearos. So if someone has a problem with their carto tank and asks for help, is it really helpful to tell them that carto tanks are junk and clearos are better? It seems you are guilty of the very thing you are accusing others of doing. Just my .02.

 

[Pappy358]

I haven't seen very much elitism here, everyone is for the most part kind and forthcoming with information. Provari might be the best for you, but not for everyone...happy vaping.

Never stated that Provari is right for everyone. I said I love mine. I was stating research before impulse buying.

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[LivinStrong07]

I agree with xjonquilx - no one is special here...we are all here for the same reasons, and trolling forums/being unhelpful. That's the opposite of what we want here. I found that I didn't go to forums for help when I first began getting into mechanical mods and building my own coils, I did my own research through videos to AVOID people being rude about asking simple questions. I'm here now because I consider myself an advanced vaporer and I'd like to help people with any questions for safety reasons, coil building, reviews on RDAs/RBAs, mech mods, Cartos, etc.

 

[Pappy358]

Well, I had to take a look at Pappys post history to find out who was dissing him.
You can look for yourself, it seems to be an issue with people liking cartomizers and he prefers clearomizers.
When people tell him why they prefer carto tanks he seems to feel he's being talked down to. I didn't read that in any of the posts myself, but some of his reactions were a little "snippy"

I think you need to chill a little, man. I prefer carto tanks to clearomizers, but I do enjoy a good clearo now and again.
Also, you have a rock solid setup. You SHOULD be proud of it. Hell, ask anyone who doesn't own a Provari and they want one. Ask anyone who owns a Provari and they want ANOTHER one!
The Aspire is a great clearo as well, but not everyone likes clearos. So if someone has a problem with their carto tank and asks for help, is it really helpful to tell them that carto tanks are junk and clearos are better? It seems you are guilty of the very thing you are accusing others of doing. Just my .02.

You proved my point.

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[Rob0506]

Did I? I'm not trying to be rude, but I am questioning your assertions. I haven't seen anyone post mean or belittling things towards you, but I have seen you posting some "mildly grumpy" things back.
I even agree that you have a great setup. It just seems to annoy you that some of us like other stuff better. I don't get it.

 

[TheShanshuProphecy]

Never stated that Provari is right for everyone. I said I love mine. I was stating research before impulse buying.

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Being a very new newbie I am hesitant to jump in but, dude, you actually didn't JUST say that at all. What you claimed in your OP was that you were being treated like an 'idiot' for your decision/purchase

All I ask us not to make others feel like they're idiots when you yourself may not be as smart as you think.

I may be a new member but not new to vaping. Yet it seems that because I don't have a house full of different makes and models then I'm treated as an idiot

 

[BeRight]

Hmmm - researching doesn't produce the same results for different people now does it - researchers in most any field rarely agree. Researching doesn't guarantee making the right decision.

Did your research produce the best vaping device for me - no way hooooo-say. We all have different needs and wants which influence our research.

Aspire nautilus - some consider it an overpriced tank topper with proprietary overpriced replacement coils.

Provari - modern intelligent battery power delivery system - some have noted that it is a bit outdated.

My choice, after 1,000s of hours research, OK maybe only a hundred: MVP 2 + kayfun lite clone = total cost $70. Performance amazing - IHMO. Did I make the right choice for myself - maybe maybe not, only time will tell. Is it better than a Provari and Nautilus - for me - yes - way way better.

I, for one, do not share your arrogance for - look at me I did the right thing and if you didn't do the same way you are an idiot.

Each to their own for vaping device choice and how they came about that decision.

Share ones experience when asked for it - help everyone to remain off of cigarettes.

 

[Moonswanni]

It's not about how many devices one has or doesn't have. It also doesn't matter what type of device one has, or the "quality" of the device. It's about staying off of cigarettes and I think people forget about that.

 

[Bontasia]

I've asked a ton of questions in the little over 2 weeks that I've been here and I've never gotten ANYTHING but genuine, helpful and FAST answers.

I can't say I've been a member of many forums but the people here are some of the kindest, most helpful and genuine people I've ever come across. Even the ones who are die-hard ___ over ____ mod always explain why in easy to understand terms.

I love this place.


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[AndriaD]

I for one feel a bit insulted; I'd probably have a Provari too, IF I COULD AFFORD IT.

Sorry, I'm just the poor wife of a poor working man, and we like to pay the mortgage and utilities on time, as well as buy groceries on a regular basis. One of my MAJOR reasons for wanting to quit smoking was the godawful expense of it. So I have to hunt and hunt and hunt for the best prices on the best I can afford, and Provari is a LOOOOOOOOOONG way outside of what we can afford. But, I've got this excellent iTaste vv3, which cost only $40, and I'm so totally delighted with it, I bought another, but battery only this time, so it was only $26. I certainly wouldn't want to have only ONE battery, because what if something happened to it? Sure Provari offers a warranty and will fix it for you, but what do you do in the meantime? Smoke cigarettes? Not me!!!!

Andria

 

[xjonquilx]

This problem isn't one that usually affects newbies asking questions. It usually doesn't rear its ugly head until you become a vet answering questions. Some folks just can't stand the idea of you not having the exact same things to say as they do or would, and determine if you don't that you must be wrong and they must tell you that you are wrong. They also tend to nit pick, finding one tiny detail in your overall post that they don't like and missing the bigger picture entirely. Like my last experience was with staying an Ego battery lasted less time than this person had experienced with them, and the overall subject of my post wasn't even about that but about how cost effective an Ego setup was. The point was made regardless, but they felt the need to tell me how wrong I was and didn't know what I was talking about anyway.

I'm not saying this about ECF in particular BTW but all kinds of help related/hobby related forums and groups in general. It makes any form of online socializing outside the confines of your social network friends a pain. I really miss the days when it wasn't like that online, when it seemed most got online to connect with new people that were different so that they could expand their own horizons. And those that didn't respect the differences in others usually got quickly eliminated by whoever was moderating the place.

I feel that this is a topic that's worth discussion no matter the specifics surrounding the inspiration for the OP's post about it or whether or not it's a big problem on ECF in particular. I will say I have seen it happen here, though. The people who do it don't just avoid ECF, in fact it's probably the biggest magnet for them because it's the number one ecig forum. However, the mods here do seem to care more than most about trying to keep it down.

I'm sorry, but the OP lost me on his last post. Seems like some circular logic is going on here. Perhaps he can enlighten me.... ?

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[xjonquilx]

Sigh... I read it... All of it....

Pappy, at risk of offending you, this is what was going on with that thread....

It was a cartomizer specific support thread. Telling the OP to switch to a clearomizer because they're having issues with their cartomizer is like telling someone having issues with their Vamo to go get a Zmax. It's not helpful at all. They have what they have because they like it, and they're not asking for a replacement but for help fixing what they already have.

And you were corrected on the usage of the word cartomizer because it was confusing. There's a huge difference between a cartomizer and an atomizer, which I'm assuming is what you meant. Since it was a support thread, using the correct technical jargon was crucial for the reader's understanding.

When you continued to push the clearomizer thing on people who clearly preferred cartomizers in the thread, insisting it was superior to cartomizers, you became kind of borderline troll.

Personally I think they handled the situation very well. The one that corrected you even apologized that he felt the need to do so. They were being nice to you in an attempt to diffuse your obvious upset and trying to just keep things on topic with the OP's issue at the same time....

Please understand I'm not trying to attack you. But there is a certain way forums operate that I sense you're missing here, so I'm trying to explain to you how your posts came off from an outside perspective. I understand you're zealous about your new hobby and eager to help others. But that needs to be tempered with the wisdom of knowing when you CAN help them. No one knows everything there is to know about all these devices, and no one is able to help every single person with an issue here. If someone has a technical issue with a device you've never used and can't help them with, just leave it be. Someone will come along that does have the knowledge necessary to help them. It's no bad reflection on you.

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[Rob0506]

Pappy, one thing I would like to add is that although I disagree with you in this situation, I really want to continue to hear your voice here on the ECF. Whether I agree with you or not, I respect you and your desire to help others in this vaping journey as you were helped. So in short, I hope there are no hard feelings.

 

[Katya]

Ahem... So I also read the thread... No comment.

Anyway, Pappy, happy vaping and thank you for your service.

 

[Katya]

I agree with xjonquilx - no one is special here...

We are all special. And we all have different likes, dislikes, tastes and incomes. But we do try to help one another to quit smoking--that's what makes us and ECF special.

Everything else is total BS.

 

[Peti650]

Funny you posted this lol. I'm about almost 2 weeks into vaping and not to say I'm a vet but I've soaked up alot within this small time frame. I really owe a lot to this forum, Google, and Youtube You are right research is key, I do it a lot as well. The 1st forum I joined years ago was a Pontiac Trans Am forum that has taught me a lotttt for fixing my T/A. Since joining that forum, I've joined a RAM forum for my truck and now this forum. Thank you internet

 

[TheShanshuProphecy]

This problem isn't one that usually affects newbies asking questions. It usually doesn't rear its ugly head until you become a vet answering questions. Some folks just can't stand the idea of you not having the exact same things to say as they do or would, and determine if you don't that you must be wrong and they must tell you that you are wrong. They also tend to nit pick, finding one tiny detail in your overall post that they don't like and missing the bigger picture entirely. Like my last experience was with staying an Ego battery lasted less time than this person had experienced with them, and the overall subject of my post wasn't even about that but about how cost effective an Ego setup was. The point was made regardless, but they felt the need to tell me how wrong I was and didn't know what I was talking about anyway.

I'm not saying this about ECF in particular BTW but all kinds of help related/hobby related forums and groups in general. It makes any form of online socializing outside the confines of your social network friends a pain. I really miss the days when it wasn't like that online, when it seemed most got online to connect with new people that were different so that they could expand their own horizons. And those that didn't respect the differences in others usually got quickly eliminated by whoever was moderating the place.

I feel that this is a topic that's worth discussion no matter the specifics surrounding the inspiration for the OP's post about it or whether or not it's a big problem on ECF in particular. I will say I have seen it happen here, though. The people who do it don't just avoid ECF, in fact it's probably the biggest magnet for them because it's the number one ecig forum. However, the mods here do seem to care more than most about trying to keep it down.

I'm sorry, but the OP lost me on his last post. Seems like some circular logic is going on here. Perhaps he can enlighten me.... ?

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A very good point: that newbies (such as myself) often don't pick up on the nuances of a post and perhaps don't understand how/why a comment could be construed as anything other than 'helpful'.

 

[Yohkos]

I haven't seen very much elitism here, everyone is for the most part kind and forthcoming with information. Provari might be the best for you, but not for everyone...happy vaping.

I agree. I am looking for something for my son in law. I think a Vamo would be a good start. What do you think?

I love my Provari, and the only reason I would not recommend it as a starter is I know two people who realized that vaping was not for them. I hope they will try again. They started with spinners. But on the other hand, I don't think I would have quit if I didn't choose a vv or vv/vw . Just a simple evod thingy without any control would not have done it for me and I would still be smoking. So don't go too cheap. Remember how much you spend in cigs. So a provari or any quality mod isnt that expensive if you compare it to how many cartons are smoked.

I love the innokin vv3 and own 4 of them and mvps and have given away several to new vapers. These magical devices got me off smokes. I still use them everyday at work with kanger evods. Perfect size. Everything else stays home for evening vapes. I will always be grateful to Innokin and the guy that sold me my over priced vv3 kit at a local store.

I love love the Nautilus and Kayfun, but would not recommend to a newbie due the frustration it can cause.

Proranks or aero tanks would be a good choice with a decent vape. In a few weeks you may be on to newer things. Watch lots of YouTube videos and read lots. The over welming feeling will pass and fun fun fun with all kinds off setups will take over. My only draw back from experimenting too much is money.

One thing im learning is, if like a clone, I will buy the real thing, cuz for me, authentic has proven to be better; well at least I haven't found a kayfun clone that measures up to the real thing. But clones is a cheap way to experiment and learn to fix stuff.

 

[shellro07]

Couldn't have said it better Pappy358!