Resistance is futile.. or is it?

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jgdovin

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So I have been trying to spread the word about E-cigs as much as possible over the last month and a half of being a convert myself. Here I will list a few people and the responses I got from them.

Girlfriend - light smoker, 5 - 8 analogs a day. "That is stupid and just another habit to get into, I can quit whenever I want, I just dont want to. Don't do it in the house, and I don't wanna hear about how cool it is"

Girlfriend's Mom - Heavy smoker, can hardly afford her cigs. Offered her a free kit. "Yea maybe I should try it", offered her a ready filled kr808 to try for a day, "yea I will try it sometime" its still sitting on my entertainment center where she set it down.

Lady at gas station - (gas station is a block from our house and we know most of the people there) "Thats so cool, I want one!" Gave her a card and offered her a disposable... she refused and is still smoking analogs.

My Mother - Offered her a free starter kit... "No thanks" and she won't go any further.

Random Girl playing poker with me at bar the other night - I pulled out a little bag with some batteries and carto's in it. She looks at me and says "Wy do you carry a bag of pens in your pocket?", my response, "Well they aren't pens, they are an electronic cigarette that has helped me quit smoking easily" her response, "Ewe thats gross!" as she puffs on her analog.

So I guess my point is, everyone I come into contact with seems to think they are gross, a waste, or stupid.

Anyone else run into these type of people?
 

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Sometimes its easier to teach by example or at least when they ask questions. If they keep asking questions, then give them a card. People are naturally suspicious of anything new, And if anyone had told you how easy it would be to make the switch, would you have believed them? I smoked forever and tried tons of different things to quit. Never would have understood how easy it could be if someone had told me that years ago. It is hard not to be overly enthusiastic about vaping. And frustrating when they don't give it a chance. I'm sure some of my family wanted to tell me to just be quiet sometimes, now, mom and dad are trying to make the switch.
 

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Honestly, my belief is that there is no way in hell on a hot sunday that anyone can be convinced by others into switching to e-cigs or even trying them... Unless they truly are prepared to, deep within themselves.

Two colleagues are considering the switch themselves (one of them my boss), and I could imagine that they will at some point. But this is more due to the fact that they day by day can see how well it is functioning for me, that it isn't just another fad.
 

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Thanks for the responses guys. I guess while reading others experience of daily having people ask positive questions made me over-excited to share my experience. But going out I get nasty looks, and rude comments, so it kinda brought my high down. I love my e-cig still and will continue using it.

A funny one I forgot to mention was my first day vaping. We went out to dinner, and I walked outside of chili's to have my first after dinner vape. A family was walking up, so I exhaled and waited for them to pass before I continued (out of respect) so they saw me from a distance puffing out smoke, and when they got to the door, their daughter (probably around 7 years old) looks over at me right before they walk in and screams at the top of her lungs "YOU SHOULDNT SMOKE, ITS BAD FOR YOU!" The parents got bright red, said "sorry" and walked in. I had to laugh at that one.
 

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Same responses here, for the most part, or they just stay silent and think... probably the same things in their head. I don't care anymore, ignorance makes me angry so I try to keep it to myself. Let them keep asking months later "oh, you're still puffing on that thing?" then they can go inadvertently suggest it to their friends or family members by bringing me up in conversation. It will eventually 'evolve' into normalcy given the opposition doesn't have their way, but it takes a long time for us idiot humans to realize potential and worth sometimes, the main reason most of us vapers are on the ball so quickly is because of personal motivation.
 

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mine was a mixture of personal motivation, my g/f complaining I smoke too much (I have smoked a pack a day since we got together 3 years ago) but she only smokes like 5 analogs a day, and the fact that im a gadget guy. So I knew since it was electronic, just playing with it and having the motion of smoking would be enough for me
 

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Same here, techy type, but the complaining came from myself, every time I'd buy a 3 pack of smokes, I'd glare unhappily at them on the counter for a few seconds before handing my money over, while shaking my head in disgust with myself.

I'm sure there are folks here, or somewhere, who were happily smoking when a vaper suddenly showed up and converted them, but I don't read much of it, and personal experience seems to suggest they are few and far between. I bet techiness or some underlying disgust for smoking played a part either way. Most of the people I run into are nay sayers, and are lucky to know how to use their fancy new phone, and have come to terms with or given in to the idea of dying early in order to do what they feel they need to, to stay sane.
 

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I'm with everyone here. I let the facts speak for themselves. If someone asks me about them I'm happy to tell them about the success i've had with them. If they don't ask, I don't bother. It IS kind of funny how many people I have ended up converting with this method. My wife started out with just wanting to "borrow" mine. Which, was fine...for awhile, lol. I just got her a battery and she's working off of some of my spare attys and carts now and loving it. (makes me jealous she's got the stainless w/ purple led 510) then my best friend just received his and two other friends want them as soon as they can afford them. So lead by example and they'll come to you.
 

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I'm one of the few people in my circle of friends who smoked, and I'm the only one who has switched to vaping.

One of my daughter's (former) boyfriends has tried my ecig, said he liked it and was going to get one of his own, but I don't see him often enough to know if he has yet done so.

Walking around town, through malls, etc, - I have yet, in 5 months of vaping, to see another person using an ecig.

My wife is glad that I switched, but apparently quite surprised, along with many friends at work, that I have stuck with it this long (they all know that nothing else I tried has worked).

Believe me - I ain't going back to analogs.
 

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I'm with everyone here. I let the facts speak for themselves. If someone asks me about them I'm happy to tell them about the success i've had with them. If they don't ask, I don't bother. It IS kind of funny how many people I have ended up converting with this method. My wife started out with just wanting to "borrow" mine. Which, was fine...for awhile, lol. I just got her a battery and she's working off of some of my spare attys and carts now and loving it. (makes me jealous she's got the stainless w/ purple led 510) then my best friend just received his and two other friends want them as soon as they can afford them. So lead by example and they'll come to you.
I see it's done wonders for your pecs too! :thumbs:
 
I have been looking at switching to ecigs for several months...and as soon as I have the cash I know what and where I am getting it. Sometimes it takes people awhile to inally deceide some are procrastinators like me who want to switch but they want to be prepared when they do. I have been looking at this forum for like 4 days straight now. I'm hooked already and haven't made the switch yet. A friend of mine got his yesterday and we went to target and were vaping in there. Was sooo funny as it was a very very small town on the far outside suburbs. (ie lots of yuppies, rednecks and old folks) got TONS of nasty looks but no one said anything about it (to us at least they did as they walked away) the responses were cracking me up! On the way out I was takin a puff off it and from the corner of my eye I see the man walking in's disgust as he cleared his throat and gave an over exaperated sigh of disgust. I love pissing ppl off but when I get mine I fully intend on only stealth vaping in non-smoking areas as I don't want to cause too much issues. We only brasenly did i to see what the reactions would be in our little ......ed town.
 

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Working where I work almost 75% of people smoke. I have tried millions of times to quit. I seen this ecig ad on youtube about a year ago, and thought it was a total scam. About a month ago I seen a fellow co-worker with one saying it was the best thing in the world, and another co-worker with one vaping away in the office. They are spreading like wildfire out here, mostly for the fact that you don't have to walk 500 meters to go smoke in the pit at night.

I did it for health reasons, the ol'lady wanted me to quit. I tried, many times. This however, let me put it like this. In the last 3 days since I've been vaping I've noticed a HUGE decrease in my average 5k run time. So much that my knees are actually having a hard time keeping up with it. I feel 19 again (except for my knees), it's great. It has only been three days, I can't wait to see how I feel in a month!

But back on topic. I actually notice people are more interested if you just let them ask you questions and you try and stay away from the tech talk that most vaper's use. Break it down Barney style. Tell'em how it works and that it works. That's all they want to hear. Getting into different models and mods starts to confuse people. Hell I'm still trying to figure out a lot of stuff and get confused rather easily. Today I just found out that resistance of atty has a huge part in vapor production. Didnt know that yesterday.
 
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I had a talk with my girlfriend, who smokes maybe two or three cloves a month, and loves the occasional trip to the hookah bar.

I think some of the mindset block is that they're 'fake cigarettes.' She has an aversion to anything fake-- she's flat allergic to aspertane, i.e. fake sugar. She hates low fat ice cream, low fat anything really, for example though she can't taste the difference unless you tell her, if something is buttered using margerine rather than real salted butter, she will not eat it. She avoids processed food of any variety (Prego is the devil in her estimation), and as a general rule will not eat anything with artificial flavoring in it. Heck, she will only drink organic milk-- she swears she can tell a difference between the organic and the regular kind (and I've seen her pick it out in taste tests too).

So to her, vaping is just a fake cigarette.

So I don't think that the e-cigarette, with all it's gadgetry and artificial processes is going to appeal to people like her, you know, the kind that generally eat mostly organic food and are concerned with how it's grown and eschew processed anything. I think that's the reaction Rachael Ray had, where to her the idea of vaporizing a chemical solution of ingredients she never heard of, and whose use she's unfamiliar with, sounded equally disgusting as smoking a bunch of tar-and-soot smoke from old fashioned tobacco. Tobacco is at least a plant, as opposed to something artificially mixed.

PG, VG, artificial flavorings, or even natural flavorings-- this is all chemical mumbo jumbo, and people have an aversion to this stuff based on the aversion they've been taught to have to processed foods and chemical mumbo jumbo when it comes to their food ingredients. Think about it this way: a lot of people, even those who aren't allergic, resist the idea of a diet soda. It tastes different, and they prefer the real sugar-- even if it is making them fatter and giving them sugar highs. Similarly, if I were to tell you that I had found a way to make potato chips healthier, low in fat and calories with even better taste using a better chemical process-- the first question you'd have for me is if these potato chips would give you .... leakage, because you're familiar with the Olean debacle. We are taught to inherently distrust any artificial process in our food, or anything we ingest for that matter-- many people even take issue with artificially derived pharmecutical drugs. There are people who think aspirin is poison, and let's not even get started about the use of proscribed drugs to treat mental illness.

More in talking with her about it, she figures if you're going to smoke, at least smoke real cigarettes, even if it might kill you. She feels the same way about eating on low cholesterol diets or other diets designed to maintain cardiovascular health, which I suppose is ok for her 'cause she's skinny as a rail no matter what she eats. She feels the same way about drinking-- if you're going to drink, drink.

From this aspect, I think electronic cigarettes are never really going to appeal to that sub-set of smokers who have just decided they'll smoke until they die, even if it kills them, because that's the macho way of living or whatever. To them, it's just some fancy goo-gaw pansy way around the issue of quitting-- if you're going to quit, you should just flat quit. If you're going to smoke, you should be tough enough to accept the risk and not worry about it. I don't think you'll ever crack that mindset. That there's some third-way middle ground isn't ever going to appeal to people who see things so black and white.

Finally, another mindset I've encountered is the mindset that says addiction is dangerous, no matter what form it takes. This comes up primarily as an aversion to nicotine. Nicotine is the devil-- for decades now, it's been actively demonized as the addictive agent in deadly tobacco. Nicotine and tobacco are nearly synonymous. Never mind that there aren't many long-term studies at all about the effects of using nicotine in a manner that eschews tobacco use. The use of the patch, and of nicotine gum, have only been around maybe 15 or 20 years-- and both are designed to eventually wean you off nicotine, because there is that mindset that nicotine is part of what makes tobacco deadly, therefore it too must be bad.

The truth is that there isn't much data on sustained human use of nicotine without tobacco products.. and such studies will not be readily available in our lifetime, for starters because we're unlikely to find nicotine patch or gum users who maintain a steady, daily dose, for any sustained period, and much less likely to find sustained use of Personal Vaporizer users who have been at it for 10-15 years (even the earliest vapers wouldn't crack the 10 year mark). I'm not saying Nicotine by itself isn't potentially dangerous-- other stimulants certainly are (for example, caffeine...) I'm just saying that there isn't a whole lot of medical fact out there, because nicotine use has until the past decade or so been so strongly tied to tobacco use.

That's not exactly a helpful case to those who think that if something isn't proven safe by the experts, then you shouldn't do it. These are people who will never enter a drug trial unless their life depends on it, never have an experimental procedure done if there's an approved alternative, or use pharmaceutical drugs that are proven to work in foreign countries for an illness they have because the FDA's extended approval period is not yet closed. For the people like this, it will never be a good idea until the FDA says it is, and not a moment before. Until then, it's 'dangerous' and 'risky.'

You're just not going to get through to these groups.

The best you can do in evangelizing the process is to talk about your personal experience-- and show off how cool it looks.

I converted once I had seen some friends with PVs' that didn't look bulky and ......ed in my opinion, but actually looked kind of stylish. The less PV's look like dorky gadgets, and more they look like stylish fashion accessories, the more willing people will be to adapt. Now, people approach me about the PV, and then I can tell them my personal experience and what I know about the risks and benefits involved. I can tell them about what PG is ("the same stuff that they use in those theater fog machines or at night clubs") and VG ("sometimes used as a cooking ingredient") and the flavoring ("Same flavoring they use for food products"), and that makes it sound less scary than "Chemical mixture of blah blah blah." I can engage them in a conversation about the risks, and what medical studies have been done, and the results, because I was sure be informed before I ever tried vapeing. Two of my friends already converted; a third is looking to soon. This considering that a handful of friends had converted before me, which is how I determined it looked neat. They converted because they ran across a mall cart, and were all trying to quit smoking before going to a big social event where there would be a lot of smokers (and hence temptation to smoke).

So ultimately, vaping and marketing is slowly working, and I'm a prime example, a convert by word of mouth based on mall marketing. There will likely be hold outs, but at some point we'll reach critical mass and then we'll have the media attention to get free PR to spread further. It's not an instant kind of conversion thing, but as it becomes more widespread it will also be more respected, and the easy arguments even easier to knock down.
 

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@jgdovin- It's like anything else "new"...there are people intrinsically inclined to try it and others...well...not so much.
I've had mostly positive response. I've posted a lot on Facebook about my experiences and gotten very little push back. One mother I know ordered two 510's for her college aged sons after reading of my experiences. My mailman was interested (especially after I told him why it was so important he deliver my packages to the right mailbox in my apt. complex). Two other friends asked for website info.
My biggest contribution to the worlds of vaping thus far has been consistently directing people away from the local mall kiosk selling 4081's for 129.00...a 29.00 on line buy.
My best guess on your gf's mom is that she doesn't believe she will get the same nicotine satisfaction which is probably the fear most heavy smokers have.
My partner was sort of "eh, okay, I'll try....whatever" about it all until he saw me a week in almost cutting analogs out of my life all together. Now he's anxiously awaiting his 510 kit due in on Monday.
The poster above was correct, give it time and lead by example. If you vape it...they will come...around.
Dean in South Jersey
 
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