resistance vs voltage and juice taste

[Switched]

I fear Variable Voltage is like having a car with a gas pedal, but no steering wheel or gearshift. If you drive, it's better than not having it, but not much of a final solution. I rather like public transport.

I would prefer comparing to power steering vs rack and pinion

I'm not sure artificial flavors dissolved in propylene glycol and glycerine sitting in polypropylene bottles resembles the aging of wine too much. There's some evaporation and some interactions of course.

Just like wine, there is a turning point for all liquids. Therefore the terminology/metaphor is more than suiting don't you think.

I thought that since we fully control the juice composition, it's a better control point than voltage. Gummy, have you tried looking at what it takes to make the most high-persistence fog? Is it possible Raidy prefers a specific type? Or is condensation an objective across the board indicator?

The first statement is only true if you control all the elements. many do not roll their own.

I believe I was able to offer the OP answers to his original questions

 

[WillyB]

... I do think that Raidy has given much thought to this entire process. He is very clever. I do also think that he very much likes the results he gets now with the Genesis atty. Not just because he was the one to invent it. I'm sure there were plenty of configurations that he didn't like too. I have found the taste is not for me, but others here seem to love it.

But with all the translation problems, the German sources for parts vs. ours, duplicating his results here seems rather hit or miss. We can micro analyze the various parameters, but sometimes it's better to just get lucky.

I wonder if he sent you the exact components he is using, or better yet a complete Genisis by Raidy himself, that maybe then your opinion would change.

In the video's at least, the overseas modders, Piece and Jensb seem to have made a Genisis that looks to be performing quite well.

 

[nofalls]

I currently have a day trip planned to Stuttgart on the 5th of December. A personal day in a long business trip. Along with visiting the Porsche museum in Zuffenhausen, I am hoping to meet up with Raidy. I will ask him if he would be willing to part with a Raidy made Genisis. If so I will bring it back and we can ship it around so everyone can try it. Don't know how different juices will work with it but we can tackle that if it gets to the option stage.

Jensb's video looked really good to me. Thick vapor. If he had coughed a couple of times from the first big hit I would have been a little happer knowing there was some real throat hit too.

Gummybear - what juice were you running in your genisis? Just curious.

 

[asdaq]

There is a 'Genisis Test' thread on the German forum, where Raidy brought about 8 PV's for a small group of vapers to try and rate based upon vapor, TH and flavor. There were different marks given for each, but it was stressed several times that in general TH was quite strong as raidy is a 'Flash Junkie'. Also a neighbor who smokes analogues (not a vaper) tries plenty of his PV's and coughs from pretty much all of them.

 

[Gummy Bear]

Gummybear - what juice were you running in your genisis? Just curious.

I use a 70/30 mix of 24 mg nuport double flavor from Gourmet Vapors. (sometimes I add another 20% vg) but not with the C-E2 v4 cartos, they don't need it.

 

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There is a 'Genisis Test' thread on the German forum, where Raidy brought about 8 PV's for a small group of vapers to try and rate based upon vapor, TH and flavor. There were different marks given for each, but it was stressed several times that in general TH was quite strong as raidy is a 'Flash Junkie'. Also a neighbor who smokes analogues (not a vaper) tries plenty of his PV's and coughs from pretty much all of them.

... most smokers do choke when they try to vape originally, well at least all the folks that I have initiated to vaping. This by no means is meant to downplay Raidy's work. OTOH I've had vapers try my liquids and chocked as well...

 

[Jensb]

Jensb's video looked really good to me. Thick vapor. If he had coughed a couple of times from the first big hit I would have been a little happer knowing there was some real throat hit too.

LOL, i tried not to do it
Trust me little more mesh (25mm) and you cough the lungs out.
I prefer thick clouds with a smooth throuth hit, my juice is a basic of 50/40/10 PG, VG,Water
The genesis attys i have work really good, and are easy to rebuild if you have a master Piece.
I´m going to send out some master pieces at weekend to the states, so i hope that these parts go round and people can mold them to build their own genesis and of course make some improvements.

I received 2 days ago a prototype of a new genesis design and this thing is amazing. But i´m sorry i´m not allowed to post any pics until we finished and optimized this thing for general use.
You can be exited

Seems like the only topics in the last time is about genesis. I like it

Jens

edit:no the new genesis doesnt come from Raidy he was very pleased with the new system and design.

 

[WillyB]

Hey Jensb, I think folks would like to know how they hold up.

By that I mean do they last a long time working good? After about 60ml of liquid is the performance still the same?

 

[asdaq]

Jens, is it the design by ichbines? I was reading about this a bit this morning, sounds like a nice co-op project, I wish I'd seen it sooner. One thing about sending parts to the US, no one there can get Stewalin and there doesn't seem to be a decent alternative yet.

 

[WillyB]

... no one there can get Stewalin and there doesn't seem to be a decent alternative yet.

Yes it would appear that this inexpensive hobby casting material is unique in all the world.

 

[nofalls]

LOL, i tried not to do it

From the look on your face and the amount of vapor I was impressed that you didn't also.

We might want to change the title of this thread to "hijacked to talk about that other thread on the Genisis"...

Well, the camera is nowhere to be found right now but I put together a simple genisis using a 5ml syringe with a lure-lock end. I used a paper clip broken in two to form two posts. One was bonded into the lure lock and the other was around the out side of the lock. The ID of the slip lure of the syringe is 2mm and the plastic is good to 130F for working strength with a glass trans of 160F. I figured at worst I was out some Ecobond, a syringe and a paper clip. That is unless the plastic melted on my 325 screen. I guess I could risk the 14x40 piece out of the 300x300mm square. So far it seems to produce vapor well at 3.2 volts and some 75/25 juice. I took a couple of hits off of it and was supprised at the throat hit (flash). I have to refine it a bit for actual vaping. Leaning over a panavise with another syringe as a mouth piece just is not going to cut it for long. Nice thing about the 5cc syringe is it is a similar diameter scale to the ego battery. We'll see how this plays out.

I found my camera - charging now, pictures to follow.

 

[nofalls]

A couple of not so perfect photos.

 

[Willriker]

very nice man! Obviously, its a first run at it, but its looking good!

Have you tried using differant mesh's to see the differance in TH vs Flavor? You say the TH was more intense with the 325 than you had expected it would be. The pretty much jives with what others and raidy have been saying. The larger the holes in the mesh are, the more TH you are going to get. Raidy said he prefers the 400 stainless steel mesh.

I really like how people are working towards shrinking the genisis down a bit. Raidy's models are impressive, but they are bulky. I like how youre thinking about how bulky you are making it.

 

[Jensb]

hi guys.
Nofalls, the test genesis looks good. try some different setups and find your best.

@Willriker. Yes you are right. The genesis are bulky, but it is just because it is easier to handle. If you have a genesis with 12mm diameter it is much more job to change the kanthal and mesh as it is with 16 or 18mm.
my genesis have at this time 15mm and it is not easy to change the stuff. i like skrews for easy change like on my plugs so i think about to build my next attys something bigger that i can use skrews.
You also might have seen that we(most from the german communitys) use mods where the atty is inside the mod to save some space.
Since you can choose the strenght of the wick and meh self there is no need for bulky VV or other electronic stuff. Just plain battery and good

Jens

 

[Nepherael]

I'm glad this thread has gone to where it is. I had never heard of genisis and it looks pretty cool. I don't think I could ever build one but its really really interesting to hear about all this stuff I really had no clue about

 

[asdaq]

Ahh, Jens, are you saying a 10mm or 12mm is just a bit crazy then? It was said that smaller is harder to build, and sure I believe it, but more so it would be a pain to service? I am strongly considering 3 x 2mm holes for power and mesh and a refilling port somewhere else (?). With 1mm between holes it would juuust fit. And no I haven't actually started machining yet, but it was all I could do to restrain myself from buying a 10mm alu rod today.

 

[Jensb]

hi asdaq
yes i think it is a pain for "me" i have build some plugs in Pen 810 atty style, and i hate it to change the kanthal on them. I have to crimp and i hate this.
My plugs with 18mm are a dream. it just take 2minutes for wick and kanthal
You can machine your parts self? wow i would love to do it self

 

[Willriker]

hehe i have been drooling over some mini lathes. I was suprized that you can buy mini lathes for like 400-500 USD. Dont get me wrong, thats not cheep, its still 400- 500 USD. But, i thought they were much more expencive than that.

 

[Gummy Bear]

hehe i have been drooling over some mini lathes. I was suprized that you can buy mini lathes for like 400-500 USD. Dont get me wrong, thats not cheep, its still 400- 500 USD. But, i thought they were much more expencive than that.

Yea me too. the one I been looking at is 1700 bucks. where are any for 4 or 5 hundred?

 

[Willriker]

7" x 10" Precision Mini Lathe
499.99 USD



That is a nice looking one. I might have an issue with the size stock you can use in it. I was looking for something that can handle a larger diameter stock. But, you might be able to just purchase a different chuck and be ready to go on a larger diameter stock. Id have to call them up and see how difficult that would be to replace the chuck.. hehe, once i convince the wife to let me get it. i was hoping for something that can handle about an inch diameter, perhaps an inch and a half as that would open the device up to be used for many more aplications.

You can also find some really nice deals on used items. Especially if you are not going to be using a lathe for high precision work (aka some odd jobs), used would be just fine. And, the price is better on used.