Hello, I have never vaped. I found this forum while looking up vaping effects on bowel transit. I smoke 4 cigarettes a day to go to the loo (twice). I have been doing this for 20 years. I stopped for nine days for my gasteroenteroligist and didn't go once for the nine days. IG posted a similar thread and I wondered if he found results. My smoking habit is expensive and disgusting for want of a better word. Could electronic cigarettes help me as much. Thanks.
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That's very interesting. This is new info to me. I must assume nicotine is what is assumed ( or proven ) to have the desired effect for you, and if so it seems there are definitely options aside from the cigarettes that are much safer or healthier to use for that purpose. Not all would be as enjoyable as vaping...
Yes. It is interesting. When I got pregnant for my first baby, I immediately stopped smoking. The consequences were so intolerable that my doctor said smoke... there was no more room inside me. I have five healthy children and smoked throughout all pregnancies... but for their sake ... I would love to find another option. There exists a drug neostigmine which if I understand correctly is nitric oxide (that's nicotine, right?). It is given to neurologically impaired people who have no bowel peristalsis, but by injection in hospital. The nicotine thing is neuro. I don't know anything about nicotine percentages and mg of this and that but if anyone has had results (Member IG for example) I'll defo take a look into the E option. Ps: I haven't read in depth all the responses to his post which is unfair as I am cooking and checking homework at the same time so will do in a bit.
Hi Roseanna. You may find some answers in this article ... Intestinal effect of quitting smoking and some remedies: Intestinal effect of quitting smoking and some remedies - GlintMag
Two or three mugs of coffee does the job for me. Vaping doesn't seem to have the same effect. When I joined this forum it never occurred to me that this subject would come under discussion.
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I have also used coffee for this, decaf is supposed to do the same but Was not as effective... Wow. Hi everybody in ecf land lmao.
One thing to consider if you go the vaping route is there are many different nicotine levels in eliquids and they tend to be used a little differently, you see a lot about this and is probably the hardest aspect of vaping as a beginner. People tend to use high nic levels in devices that you take a limited puff on and is more like hitting a cigarette. That's mouth to lung or mtl vaping. There is also direct lung hitting or DL. DL uses lower nicotine generally, more airflow and a bigger "puff" (snicker), more vapor so less nic concentration, but you are getting more all at once so it kind of balances. Many want something like a cigarette and it is also "easier" I guess to start off with mtl vaping gear and work your way to more if you desire. There a some newer devices that are made for very high nicotine in small amounts, those tend to be easy to use pod systems or all in one systems.
I doubt it.
When I smoked, I was predictably regular every morning after the first cig or two. Switching to vaping brought that to a full stop. Yet I know for a fact that I get at least as much nicotine from vaping as I did from cigs, so I disagree with the article posted by @Hobbs, which claims that nicotine is the principle agent responsible. I'm inclined to think that some other substance in cigarette smoke is primarily responsible, but I have no idea exactly what it is.
I did partially solve the my problem by adding more fruits and vegetables to my diet. Prunes became a staple snack for me. I buy them in great big bags at Costco and eat some every day. But even now, more than four years later, I can't say that my lower digestion is back to normal.
This might be the best occasion to try a Juul. Not the cheapest to use, but maybe less than cigs depending on where you are. But notorious for its nicotine delivery efficiency and foolproofness. If that doesn't work, look into Whole tobacco alkaloids eliquids for more effect, or switch to RYO to save money and FSCs.
Hi Roseanna , as everyone is different there is no hard and fast rule.
I've found that if I vape without nicotine first thing in the morning I have no urge to go to the toilet . When I vape with nicotine the urge is almost instant.
You're a little mixed up on the science but nitric oxide is the key.
When you smoke you inhale nitric oxide along with your nicotine . Much less nitric oxide in vapour. However nitric oxide is in your blood stream naturally. As the nicotine enters your blood the nitric oxide binds to the walls of the blood vessels making them dilate which increases blood flow. That increase in flow is what triggers the urge to evacuate .
So if 4 cigarettes triggers the urge , in theory vaping should perform the same trick.
The only way to know is give it a try.
Constipation is no joke. Killed my dad.
NB I'm only offering advice as a ex smoker definitely not a doctor.
I've found that if I vape without nicotine first thing in the morning I have no urge to go to the toilet . When I vape with nicotine the urge is almost instant.
You're a little mixed up on the science but nitric oxide is the key.
When you smoke you inhale nitric oxide along with your nicotine . Much less nitric oxide in vapour. However nitric oxide is in your blood stream naturally. As the nicotine enters your blood the nitric oxide binds to the walls of the blood vessels making them dilate which increases blood flow. That increase in flow is what triggers the urge to evacuate .
So if 4 cigarettes triggers the urge , in theory vaping should perform the same trick.
The only way to know is give it a try.
Constipation is no joke. Killed my dad.
NB I'm only offering advice as a ex smoker definitely not a doctor.
I had a problem in that area. I think it started after quitting smoking. A big bowl of raisin bran cereal every morning helps me. I imagine that your doctor already suggested more fiber in your diet.
There are tons of videos on youtube that talk about sea salt flushing. I'm skeptical about the safety of that but I've never tried it so I don't know.
There are tons of videos on youtube that talk about sea salt flushing. I'm skeptical about the safety of that but I've never tried it so I don't know.
Your gastroenterologist? Why do you see a GI? Do you have inflammatory bowel disease? Have you had a colonoscopy?
I quit smoking because of bloody stool, I figured I had CRC. Bleeding got worse. I quit nicotine. Bleeding got really bad. Turns out I have Crohn's. Not the normal ........ associated with IBD, constipation and that tears me up. The colon can slow down when inflamed to give itself a break.
Previously at 9 months I was on TPN, but they didn't really have the diagnostics or knowledge back then. I was in for testing at 14, but that's when I started smoking and the week long stay in the hospital wasn't a smoking deterrent back then. I did get a "colitis" diagnosis but for some reason that Dr never looked harder to figure out why I had chronic colitis or he actually meant Ulcerative Colitis and the treatment then wasn't great. Testing again at 20, I think that time it just took so long to get in to see him the other things my body was drawn to treated it before he looked and for some reason he didn't do a colonoscopy.
This time (after almost being blown off as hemorrhoids by the ER and my PCP) I was scoped and it said I had long term scaring with treatment (that I never had except smoking) that was stopped.
It's usually Ulcerative Colitis that is helped by smoking, Crohn's is made worse. Seems I'm in the 3% with Crohn's that it helps.
If you're going to a GI for Ulcerative Colitis and aren't on mesalamine, no the nicotine alone in ecigs will probably not be the same as low dose smoking. I do know at least one person who does only use ecigs for UC successfully. But the studies say nicotine plus mesalmine is better than mesalamine alone, nicotine alone isn't effective. So if you're intentionally or unintentionally treating IBD with low dose smoking odds are vaping alone won't cut it.
18mg was the magic number I got from others and it was my magic number to stop bleeding with mesalmine too. I stayed at that mg over nic'ed 24/7 for 3 years until it stopped working. (Remicade now.)
If you haven't been scoped you need to be for a proper diagnosis of what's going on. It's not just that smoking isn't helping you move your bowels, you should be able to do that without smoke, and there is a very strong association between smoking and IBD.
In my experience, no vaping isn't as reliable for bowel loosening as smoking. If that's your only reason Metamucil daily, Miralax as needed.
I quit smoking because of bloody stool, I figured I had CRC. Bleeding got worse. I quit nicotine. Bleeding got really bad. Turns out I have Crohn's. Not the normal ........ associated with IBD, constipation and that tears me up. The colon can slow down when inflamed to give itself a break.
Previously at 9 months I was on TPN, but they didn't really have the diagnostics or knowledge back then. I was in for testing at 14, but that's when I started smoking and the week long stay in the hospital wasn't a smoking deterrent back then. I did get a "colitis" diagnosis but for some reason that Dr never looked harder to figure out why I had chronic colitis or he actually meant Ulcerative Colitis and the treatment then wasn't great. Testing again at 20, I think that time it just took so long to get in to see him the other things my body was drawn to treated it before he looked and for some reason he didn't do a colonoscopy.
This time (after almost being blown off as hemorrhoids by the ER and my PCP) I was scoped and it said I had long term scaring with treatment (that I never had except smoking) that was stopped.
It's usually Ulcerative Colitis that is helped by smoking, Crohn's is made worse. Seems I'm in the 3% with Crohn's that it helps.
If you're going to a GI for Ulcerative Colitis and aren't on mesalamine, no the nicotine alone in ecigs will probably not be the same as low dose smoking. I do know at least one person who does only use ecigs for UC successfully. But the studies say nicotine plus mesalmine is better than mesalamine alone, nicotine alone isn't effective. So if you're intentionally or unintentionally treating IBD with low dose smoking odds are vaping alone won't cut it.
18mg was the magic number I got from others and it was my magic number to stop bleeding with mesalmine too. I stayed at that mg over nic'ed 24/7 for 3 years until it stopped working. (Remicade now.)
If you haven't been scoped you need to be for a proper diagnosis of what's going on. It's not just that smoking isn't helping you move your bowels, you should be able to do that without smoke, and there is a very strong association between smoking and IBD.
In my experience, no vaping isn't as reliable for bowel loosening as smoking. If that's your only reason Metamucil daily, Miralax as needed.
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I suppose the nicotine in an e-cig may help. You may still have an adjustment period, I don't know a ton about the topic, to be honest.
With the way you smoke (to go, period) I'd agree on maybe starting with a Juul as it does have a high nic content and it's expensive, but you are really just smoking for the nicotine effect, a few times a day. IDK that it will work, if it may take some TIME for your body to adjust and all that, but I see no harm in trying. You may get lucky, and at worst if you don't, you may have a few days of constipation (although IDK, it might be better to try a bit longer to give your body time to adjust, etc.
The bonus on it working would be you'd have reduced your harm substantially. If not, well you do know what WORKS for your condition, although it's unfortunate that it's cigarettes.
I'd probably try under supervision and with the blessing of your gastroenterologist along with a "constipation rescue" plan or something, but I'd guess the odds would be 50/50.
I do ah, struggle in that area although it's not really a diagnosis, I will say I had no issues as I switched over to vaping.
You might try Whole Tobacco Alkaloid juices, that might give you some of the minor alkaloids that are found in tobacco and assist with many things, including "going." It's more expensive, but it might offer MORE of what you need, still harm reduction as it is not being combusted. Good makers include Aroma ejuice, (priciest, but gold standard) and./or Umbavapes/Ohm's Juices. They are less expensive, I still found them useful, although I have to say it's not really a fair comparison as I used Aroma in the throes of quitting. It did help a lot..
I do wonder if that would give you a more "tobacco" like experience an help you "go," so to speak. If it were me, I would try WTA, if straight nicotine doesn't help.
I wish you the best of luck!
Anna
With the way you smoke (to go, period) I'd agree on maybe starting with a Juul as it does have a high nic content and it's expensive, but you are really just smoking for the nicotine effect, a few times a day. IDK that it will work, if it may take some TIME for your body to adjust and all that, but I see no harm in trying. You may get lucky, and at worst if you don't, you may have a few days of constipation (although IDK, it might be better to try a bit longer to give your body time to adjust, etc.
The bonus on it working would be you'd have reduced your harm substantially. If not, well you do know what WORKS for your condition, although it's unfortunate that it's cigarettes.
I'd probably try under supervision and with the blessing of your gastroenterologist along with a "constipation rescue" plan or something, but I'd guess the odds would be 50/50.
I do ah, struggle in that area although it's not really a diagnosis, I will say I had no issues as I switched over to vaping.
You might try Whole Tobacco Alkaloid juices, that might give you some of the minor alkaloids that are found in tobacco and assist with many things, including "going." It's more expensive, but it might offer MORE of what you need, still harm reduction as it is not being combusted. Good makers include Aroma ejuice, (priciest, but gold standard) and./or Umbavapes/Ohm's Juices. They are less expensive, I still found them useful, although I have to say it's not really a fair comparison as I used Aroma in the throes of quitting. It did help a lot..
I do wonder if that would give you a more "tobacco" like experience an help you "go," so to speak. If it were me, I would try WTA, if straight nicotine doesn't help.
I wish you the best of luck!
Anna
It's funny seeing people struggle with unmentionables, and then poop talk being completely normal for me. One gets so used to telling every Dr and nurse these things. Sometimes I have to catch myself, probably not proper dinner table talk, but then it's their fault for asking how I'm doing.
I think half this town saw my .... walking around the hospital in the backless gown at 14.
Gave my CNS this stool sample, she called me personally with my test results to thank me. One of the blood nurses refused to look.
Keep your friends close and your enemas closer.
Dood, I was just trying not to trip the word filter. Believe me, "poop" is not a dirty word in my household. Honestly once you have a kid, it's over. You'll be talking poop ALL the time. My son had a "outside the house bathroom poop allergy." We went to WrestleMania (a WHOLE story in and of itself) and my mom came too. We were preparing for a 2 week long vacation in CA, and we were eating dinner and the kid clearly needed to poop. Bad. My husband was gently urging him to the men's bathroom, "C'mon kid, I'll keep a look out and won't let anyone in..."
My mom interrupted. "Oh, you'll be at the redwoods, kid, you can just poop under a tree or something!"
My husband was like, "Um, MIL, if you don't mind, that is exactly NOT what we are trying to teach our son, thanks so much." She wound up breaking the word filter with the name she called my husband, LOL.
I was furious and ran after her as she stomped outside and had a complete fit, including saying stuff like, "Don't you disrespect my husband, I don't disrespect YOURS and you know I know he beats you weekly!"
Everyone was dropping their gas pumps in astonishment, I guess WrestleMania affected us all. LOL.
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