Sleep issues

[Ken62]

I've been off of tobacco for 1 week and have been vaping about 2ml/day at 18-24 nicotine.

I have always slept heavily for 6-7 hours per night before quitting the stinky's and now I sleep heavily for 4-5 hours before tossing and turning for a couple of hours. I don't feel like I'm more tired, I just don't seem to need as much sleep.

I'm leaning toward the fact that our bodies are going through withdrawals from all of the nasty chemicals and in a few weeks should settle back down to a regular routine...

 

[JOHNNY K]

When did you quit smoking?

Depends on your definition of ordinary, I'm minimum of 5ml/day @24mg. I was toning it down to 18mg but was vaping more, more dehydrated and getting panic attacks, upped it back to 24mg and it evened me out.

I usually vape right before I go to bed, just like when I smoked; if I don't I'll have cravings and it keeps me up.

After quitting there were lots of things that changed for me, just takes time to get over it, if that is what the problem is.

Good luck.

Nine days ago, haven't touched one!

 

[jfjardine02]

My guess is that the difficulty sleeping (or more commonly staying asleep) when quitting smoking and switching to e-cigs is primarily nicotine withdrawal. I suspect many new ecig users are getting MUCH less nicotine from their ecigs than they were used to from their traditional cigarettes. Thats why for many people not vaping for a couple of hours before going to bed doesnt make much difference. They are getting nicotine withdrawal symptoms much like someone going cold turkey. This is a little different for everyone, but is characterized by irritability, depressed mood, restlessness, poor concentration, and difficulty staying asleep, and increased appetite. Most of these (not appetite) peak in the first week and have largely resolved in 2-4 weeks. The heavier a smoker the person was, the stronger the withdrawal symptoms, and the more likely the difficulty sleeping is caused by not enough nicotine (rather than too much).

 

[rejeckted]

I woke up with a sore jaw from just clenching my teeth all night long. I was worried i was grinding but my girlfriend said I wasn't. I lowered nicotine to 18mg (I also started at 24mg) and haven't had the problem since.

 

[JOHNNY K]

My guess is that the difficulty sleeping (or more commonly staying asleep) when quitting smoking and switching to e-cigs is primarily nicotine withdrawal. I suspect many new ecig users are getting MUCH less nicotine from their ecigs than they were used to from their traditional cigarettes. Thats why for many people not vaping for a couple of hours before going to bed doesnt make much difference. They are getting nicotine withdrawal symptoms much like someone going cold turkey. This is a little different for everyone, but is characterized by irritability, depressed mood, restlessness, poor concentration, and difficulty staying asleep, and increased appetite. Most of these (not appetite) peak in the first week and have largely resolved in 2-4 weeks. The heavier a smoker the person was, the stronger the withdrawal symptoms, and the more likely the difficulty sleeping is caused by not enough nicotine (rather than too much).

I feel like I am actually getting more nicotine. Like I said at the beginning of the thread, my sleep is similar to when I was on the patch, including the vivid dreams.

 

[jfjardine02]

How many cigarettes were you smoking per day, how many minutes was it before your first smoke of the day after getting up?

 

[myyrkezaan]

I woke up with a sore jaw from just clenching my teeth all night long. I was worried i was grinding but my girlfriend said I wasn't. I lowered nicotine to 18mg (I also started at 24mg) and haven't had the problem since.

I grind my teeth so bad my wife has to sleep in a different room to not hear it.

 

[DrApex]

Can I raise my hand on the irritability?

I'm getting way more stabby than usual.

I'm guessing it's from dropping my nic from 24 to 18 or 12.



Typed on my mobile. Please excuse typos.

 

[JOHNNY K]

How many cigarettes were you smoking per day, how many minutes was it before your first smoke of the day after getting up?

Just over a pack of full flavored analogs.

I would always smoke within 5 minutes of waking up.

 

[yzer]

I vape a little more than 2 ml of 20 mg juice per day. I can vape right up to bed time if I'm vaping lightly and still fall to sleep quickly. If I'm vaping heavily during the last waking hour or two I'm going to just lie awake in bed and not fall asleep for an hour or more. In that situation I usually just get out of bed for an hour and avoid further nicotine.

Yes, nicotine withdrawal (not getting enough nicotine) can keep you awake, too.

There are other addictive substances in cigarette smoke that are absent from refined nicotine juices. I had about two weeks of withdrawal symptoms from those.

Everybody uses e-liquids differently for vaping. Some go through a lot of weak nicotine juice, some like me use higher strength and vape less often, using less juice. Some use lower nicotine juice later in the day. There are lots of different ways to control the nicotine intake while vaping.

I had some trouble falling asleep when I first quit cigarettes completely but that was a while ago and I don't recall the particulars. The stress of going cigarette free has to be considered during the first few weeks.

 

[simply me]

When I first started I was vaping 24mgs and I couldn't sleep at all. Dropped it to 18 and that did the trick. Just drop the mgs down at first. Your body will get used to it. Also I vape as i'm fallling a sleep.

 

[jfjardine02]

Just over a pack of full flavored analogs.

I would always smoke within 5 minutes of waking up.

okay...given that you were a heavy smoker, Im now putting my mortgage on the likelihood that your sleep difficulties were nicotine withdrawal rather than too much nic. Good news is after 9 days it should start to improve of its own accord as the withdrawal symptoms ease up. Other relevant question would be what type of ecig do you use?

 

[JOHNNY K]

okay...given that you were a heavy smoker, Im now putting my mortgage on the likelihood that your sleep difficulties were nicotine withdrawal rather than too much nic. Good news is after 9 days it should start to improve of its own accord as the withdrawal symptoms ease up. Other relevant question would be what type of ecig do you use?

I'm using the Evolution X with tank system.

I don't know any of the particulars of this PV though. Seems to work great.

 

[myyrkezaan]

I'm using the Evolution X with tank system.

I don't know any of the particulars of this PV though. Seems to work great.

Looks like an ego type-a, cone; type-b is a cylinder

 

[rbrtito]

Same here when I first started I couldn't sleep and when I dropped down to a lower nic level I was fine

 

[Heavyrocker]

Hello all, I'm having sleep issues since giving up the analogs and starting the e cig about nine days ago. Wondering if anyone else is experiencing these issues. I was smoking a little over a pack of full strength cigarettes and am now vaping 24 mg. drops.

Have had a few nights where I awaken a few times every hour and have had a few nights where I just can't seem to fall asleep.
Never had any difficulty sleeping prior. Wondering if anyone has experienced this and maybe what they did as a solution.

I almost compare it to when I quit three years ago using the patch, very similar symptoms.

I vap in bed.

 

[DeareN]

Its a nicotine overdose I guess... It could happen even with nic gums or tablets. However sleep issues go beyond nicotine use and many reasons can cause them. Also the analog cigs contain many more addictive substances besides nicotine (in a lower level).
Go to 12mg, it works for me pretty good, I had issues with higher mgs.

 

[jfjardine02]

Well Johnny L....I'm sure we would all appreciate an update on how it progresses.

 

[patthib]

I also had this problem. I was a 1.5 pad smoker of Camel Filters, and I was vaping 18mg. Reducing my nic level to 12 mg after dinner fixed this insomnia problem very quickly!

 

[dam718]

Had the same problems here... I started with 16mg juice. If I chain vaped at all, I would get very jittery, not able to sleep, headaches, etc. Toning it down to 8mg IMO gives a much smoother vape without the jitters. The TH isn't as harsh (I don't like a real hard TH anyway). I feel much better now. So I would say, like others have, you prob should try to step down the nic level. You can try gradual step downs, or go a bit more drastic like I did and cut it in half. My personal feeling on the matter is, I don't think I was addicted to the nic so much as the ACT of smoking. Even at 8mg of nic, just being able to perform the act of smoking has been enough to subside any cravings for a cigarette. And I don't feel any type of withdrawals at all. FWIW I'm a very new vaper, and quit smoking on Nov 6th. I was a pack a day smoker...