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ApOsTle51

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hmm , well I don't think that matters really.

code or not , If i paid for something , I'd be more pi55ed off if it didn't perform well than if i got it free.

If I purchased it and it didn't do what i wanted it to do then I'm down £40
If i recieved it free for review and it didnt do what i wanted , I haven't lost anything.

heck , I said i wouldnt post here no more....
 

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hmm , well I don't think that matters really.

code or not , If i paid for something , I'd be more pi55ed off if it didn't perform well than if i got it free.

If I purchased it and it didn't do what i wanted it to do then I'm down £40
If i recieved it free for review and it didnt do what i wanted , I haven't lost anything.

heck , I said i wouldnt post here no more....


well if you are not fussed about the use of discount codes any more then im happy with your initial suggestion of a purchased and freebie section.

must admit that im slightly puzzled though as i thought the use of codes was a major thing for you.


heck, i apologised for ranting at ya so get your .... back in here.
 

ApOsTle51

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hehe ,

The codes are not an issue if people know how they work. I know I didn't initially. the sticky explaining it takes care of that problem.

People then have the information to make an educated judgment on the review content.

Personally , I prefer reviews where the reviewer has purchased the item for their own use. I think this gives a better idea on a value for money concept.

It's not to say I don't trust reviews done on free products , I think your reviews are great and have helped alot of people out . I didn't even take Kit's review of trogs screwdriver( the very first SD text review) into consideration before i bought one because he got it for free. I waited until a buyer posted their thoughts on it.
 

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Your reviews are very helpful and fun to watch because you have such a pleasant personality!

When you did the Titan Charging case, I HAD TO HAVE IT. But, I just couldn't justify buying it from the UK-- the price was so high. I had it in my cart probably 10 times, then I'd click off. :(

Finally, I got the Janty PCC case the other day from Jeff here. But, that was because of your review! I get to use it with my mini fogger which I used Sat night for the first time! I really love the case (even though it's less practical than I had hoped . . . ssshhhhh! ;) )
 

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hi mate,

i dont honestly watch that many reviews myself unless im doing research or actually want to purchase something. the only guy i have ever been a bit suspicious of was......well, you know!

i really am oblivious to the other ones who may be a bit suspect. i fully appreciate that you dont want to name names etc but would you be happy to send me a PM with one you genuinely have doubts about? i give you my word that it will go no further than between you and i.

im just very curious!


and yes, if i had said the gamucci micro was the best thing since "nipples" then that would have been a blatant lie! lol
but that is kinda my point........how many reviews has there been on a well known crap product where the reviewer said it was fantastic?

PM'ing now...
 

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I would like one as well, if you would not mind. I am quite curious as to who you have suspicions of. As there are only a few reviewers... I should hope you are not referring to myself. Thanks. Speak soon.

No, not you at all...I have seen your 510 review but I haven't had a chance to watch much lately.
 

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No, not you at all...I have seen your 510 review but I haven't had a chance to watch much lately.

Thank you Terraphon.

Indeed, that review couldn't really be attributed to many sales Im sure.. :p But it was an honest and authentic review, of a product that had potential and could not deliver.

That is understandable. There are only a few uploaded currently, though many more are en-route.
 
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thing is the evo is good ... i bought mine with out seening any reviews at all ... we are all grown ups and should have enough about us to view more than one review on one product or even ask a few other in the live chat (yeah there is one on this forum) .. any hoo i never go by the initial review .... you dont know a product till you've lived with it for a few weeks

back to the free stuff ... i would like to review 20 evo atomisers and 20 dura atomisers .. so if i get them free i shall do a video review ....... *smirk*
 

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Apo,

reviewers of pretty much any type of goods (TV's, kettles, e-cigs, dildos, cameras, cars, PC's etc) i imagine would get free stuff for the purpose of a review. especially professional reviewers for companies such as "Which" etc. if for example i was going to purchase a new TV then the 1st thing i would do would go on the Which website and check their best buy review. it doesnt even enter my head that they may be biased because they probably recieved it free so they can review it. however, i would also then go on to sites like amazon who have a plentifull supply of user reviews from regular customers who have purchased the item im interested in.
in summary, i would use Which for a professional opinion and to get the technical side of imformation with regards to resolution, input sockets, compatability etc etc.......but then look for consumer reviews to get information as to whether the majority of "regular joes" enjoy the product and are happy with their purchase.

i fully understand what you say about reviews from regular customers carrying more weight than those from a professional reviewer who might get paid to review it or recieved it for free. (NO, im NOT a professional reviewer!! im just saying, lol)
but just because someone recieved it for free DOESNT automatically mean that they are not to be trusted.

i enjoy recording the vids but im in no financial position to keep purchasing new e-cigs stuff just to review it. i know i dont HAVE to review anything but believe it or not there is a demand for them from regular joes contacting me every day asking for more and on certain products. so if a company sends me one of those products for gratis it allows me to do a review which i enjoy and those requesting the review are happy too. (and im sure the same thing applies to the other more frequent reviewers too)

admittedly by our own choice, when reviewing products and then placing ourselves into the public eye for everyone to see, we put ourseves in a situation that is very easily open to critisism as well as the odd bit of praise. but its all about maintaining personal standards and making sure i stay true to my word. i feel that i have been consistant with honesty and accuracy ever since my 1st review on the 15th december 2008. all i can do is carry on with what i do and in the manor that i do it and hope that people who watch me will believe what i say.

for me, it really does boil down to trust.......and not relying on one single review on its own.



Kendra,

glad you enjoy the reviews mate. and im also glad that you pointed out that even though it was my review that helped you to decide you wanted one, you purchased from elsewhere. because at the end of the day im reviewing a product and not trying to sell or promote the specific company who supplied it.


cekte,

only a few reviewers? there a hundreds of them now on this forum! but thats good though as it allows people to get a lot of different opinions before making their own decision.



Terra,

thanks for the PM.......i shall study very closely.




cheers,

scott
 

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cekte,

only a few reviewers? there a hundreds of them now on this forum! but thats good though as it allows people to get a lot of different opinions before making their own decision.
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Lol. I was speaking more of the 'regular' video reviewers, which mainly is only a small handful. As I thought that was what Terraphon was mainly referencing. As some were ruled out, and many would not count.

I do know what you mean though. :) Indeed that is a good thing.
 

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I hate threads like this. i can't help but feel they are directed at me, because of my social anxiety disorder. SAD is an irrational feeling that everyone is watchig and judging you negatively harshly and unfairly. I can't scratch my nose on the street without feeling humiliated, like everyone saw it, evgeryone thinks I PICKED my nose, and everyone thinks I'm disgusting.

It is kind of paranoid, but it is different than paranoia in that I can recognize that the feeling is irrational and false. Knowig that doesn't help, however.

So, I'm going to keep my response as simple as I can.

From the beginning, the focus of my reviews has always been on the devices, not the suppliers. I try to stick to quantifying the performance as objectively as possible. In fact I usually try to list all the available purchasing options, rather than recommending one over another, unless there are differences in the quality.

WHen I started using affiliate accounts I made no bones about my motivation; I had lost one of my two part time jobs, and couldn't afford to keep reviewing if I didn't earn some income off it. I openly and publicly announced my reasons, and asked for comment, including PMing directly the people I thought most likely to find fault with it, and those whose opinions I respected the most. NOONE objected, and many people told me I deserved it, and wished me success.

Dusty gave me the best and most succinct advice; just be honest and trust my audience to judge me fairly.

As I mentioned at the beginning, trusting people to judge me fairly is the hard part for me due to my SAD. Being honest is easy.

SO, yes, I am trying to make money. Some of my discount codes earn me a comission, and some of them do not. I always ask for the discount code for my viewers first, then ask about a comission for me, and if I can only have one I take the discount. More than one retailer has pointed out it would be better business for me to do it the other way around, but that's why I'm not a businessman.

SOme retailers offer affiliate accounts but will not offer a discount, and for those I ask you to follow my link IF you choose to buy from them.

My approach to minimizing bias is first, as mentioned, to simply focus on the performance, and second, to cast as wide a net as possible and sign up for as many affiliates as possible, so I have no incentive to push one supplier more than another, assuming the devices are equal.

As I've said before, I'm not going to open my books, but for a couple of recent examples, Smoke 51 is one of my biggest comission accounts, and one which I can track daily. I am currently recommending against them, because I didn't think their newest cartridges performed well enough, and I have seen a corresponding drop in sales. Cest`la vie.

If you like the old style S51 carts I can recommend Greensmoke, Red Dragon, Bloog, Vapure, or eSmoker Shop instead, and I have accounts with all of them, so I can hope that it will all even out in the end for me. And if not, Cest la vie.

My most frequently made recommendation is for a DSE-901 for your first e-cig. I reccomend the best price I can find in stock at the moment, and with a warranty if possible, and that's almost always someplace I do not get a comission from.

Never trust anyone who says "trust me." I try instead to demonstrate my honesty, and to trust you to judge me fairly. And frankly, anyone who thinks I have not been honest IS judging me unfairly and incorrectly. And fear of that unfair and incorrect judgement haunts me daily. THAT alone would keep me honest, even if nothing else did.

The only other things i hagve to say are on the rules suggestions:

I disagree with the idea of subdividing the reviews among different categories depending on whether it was a purchased or a free review copy. Look at the insane subdivisions in the reviews at ecigtest and tell me again that's a good idea. To find a review there you've got to know what device categoiry, whether its a video review or text review, etc.

No, there should be one review section, one subsection for video reviews, and that's it. Anythikng more becomes a hinderence rather than a help.

I wouldn't really object to being required to label myself as a semi-pro reviewer, except that I PAY for the right to have a custom title, and I LIKE calling myself an E-Cig Embassador. ;)

A sticky explaining that people MAY receive some compensation from discount codes is fine, but I've learned that affiliate codes and links are the engine that run the blogosphere, making almost all major blogs possible, so any such sticky should make it clear that these are NOT some unethical, shady, underhanded deal. It sould also point out that this forum, and probably all others, is at least partly funded by advertisements, affiliate banners, and direct sponsorship.

IOW, pointing out explicitly how a profit motive COULD lead to dishonesty without ALSO pointing out that similar revenue earning tools are widely used and not generally considered unethical in themselves, would be unfair, and misleading.
 

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Actually, there is one more thing I want to add. I do not do reviews or make recommendations IN ORDER TO make money, and I never have. I do it because I love e-cigs, I enjoy sharing my knowledge, and I enjoy knowing that I've helped people escape cigarettes and their unhealthy effects, without sacrificing nicotine or all the other pleasures associated with cigarettes.

I sincerely need to make at least some extra income from it, and hope maybe even to become a truly professional reviewer someday.

But that's NOT why I do it. I do it because I love it. And what's wrong with trying to earn a living doing something you love?

Now that's really my last comment. I've spent all night agonizing over this. I even threw up twice. :(
 

Kate

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Oh Leaford ... don't stress sweetheart, nobody is questioning your integrity.

I really don't think anybody thinks you're unethical and no sensible person would begrudge someone making an honest penny.

My view of this issue is that there's no protection for you from unreasonable people or scammers at the moment who might accuse you wrongly or tarnish your reputation.

I think it's in the best interests of honest reviewers to have their interests made clear so they can get on and do the job without worry.

What do you think about the idea of having something in your sig or an addition to your E-Cig Embassador title?
 

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WHICH is entirely independent..they solely exist on consumer subscriptions and buy everything they review, that is why their reviews are the most trusted reviews of all,,, any review where someone might get a freebie or something out of it is going to be biased towards the positives rather than the negatives.
 
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