Roughstack V2 pile of questions .. 6v / 7.4v vaping.. 16340 3v... aw batteries?

[THE]

I have these AG-126 Lithium Ion Battery Charger TrustFire TR-001 Lithium Ion Battery Charger
And I've been using a 5v box mod which sure beats the piss out of 3.7v devices

Is AW Super T Manufacturing, Innovative manufacturer of electronic cigarette products. the best kind of battery to use?

Madvapes site says
Two 16340 3 volt batteries for 6 volt vaping -- but all of the 16340s I can find are 3.7v -- wouldn't that cause 7.4v??

Two 18350 3.7 volt batteries for 7.4 volt vaping (That makes sense because they say they're 3.7v)


Also - I've had great luck with the red IMR AW batteries(using 14500s in the boxmod) - are the black/silver/red ICR batteries better or not as good for this kind of an application??

It looks like these are much smaller than 14500s- will the battery life be pretty horrible??

Is vaping at 7.4v pretty difficult, burning everything to hell? I like A LOT of vapor .... I'm assuming that I'd want to go 4ohm or higher for the cartos/atomizers- yeah??

 

[THE]

PS: What are these 123 or rcr batteries? Some of them are "LifePo" which sounds like something I should avoid, yeah?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuEC54dnr_Q This seems to say that if you go 7.4v and using higher resistance atomizers, anyway, there's no point and they just burn up, faster ....

I think I need a little boost from this 5v, though ..

Does anyone know where I can get 3v 16340 or hopefully 18350 in 3v? Since you can use two of either one, I'm assuming that they're aproximately the same size.. yeah? I also assume that 18350s are longer, and have better battery life- is that correct?

I'd really like to end up buying AW batteries if possible..

Sorry for all of the questions

 

[six]

Here are the 3.0v batts

AW IMR are some of the best performing and most popular with vapers batteries. Super-t is a good vendor. The other one I like with good pricing and fast shipping is RTD Vaper.

The AW ICR batts are excellent batteries. They are a protected li-on. You might not fit two protected lion 18350s in your rough stack, however. You can use a pair of protected 16340s for sure, but it depends on how thick the protection circuit is if you'll be able to close your RS with protected li-on 18350s. They all fit in my Maxi RS V1, but most protected 18350s did not work in either of my Maxi V2s.

They aren't much smaller than 14500s. A 14500 is 14mm thick by 50mm long. An 18350 is 18mm thick by 35mm long. So, you have 630 square mm in the 18350 and 700 square mm in the 14500. Vape time between charges will be similar, but you should get a little more time from a pair of 700 mah 18350s than a pair of 600 mah 14500s.

7.4v... Most people use 4.5-5.0 ohm attys for that. They are usually listed as HV attys at the places that sell them.

PS: What are these 123 or rcr batteries? Some of them are "LifePo" which sounds like something I should avoid, yeah?

RCR= rechargeable. 123 = 16340

LifeP04 = lithium iron phosphate = safe chemistry battery = you should not avoid if you want to vape at 6.0v with stacked batts. If you are planning to stack batteries, the first choice for applicable voltage would be IMR (for 7.4) - second choice - LifeP04 (for 6.0v) - and after that you need to be informed before stacking li-on in an unprotected mechanical mod. I'm not saying don't do it, but I am saying you should be aware of the risk. I'm personally not afraid of stacking batteries in a mechanical mod and I do it often.... but there have been some incidents and a couple of them involved serious injuries.

 

[THE]

Ah- that's good to know. LifeP04 are safe chemistry batteries.. What is the one that sounds like that, but is so dangerous? Like they use in those rc cars? Lithium Polymer "Lipo"? Is that the one to avoid?

I'm not worried too much about explosions, and the thing is vented, and I would hopefully have some warning when they start heating up- right? Worried more than anything about sitting it down, leaving, and coming back to junk all over a sofa or car seat..

I'm pretty sure all of these people using Roughstack V2s on youtube are pretty much all stacking two 3.7s... aren't they??

Anyone have any tips as to whether 6v or 7.4v would be better?

This for example looks pretty amazing ROUGHSTACK V2 LONG GREEN review - YouTube (Go to 2:05)
But do I have it right that she's vaping a 1.7ohm atomizer at 7.4v?!?! Is that possible??? Would it not burn up quickly?

 

[Nomoreash]

In that video she's using a AW IMR 18650, you can see it at about the 1:20 mark. She's vaping a 3.7v battery, closer to 4.2v if it's fresh off the charger.

The Mod will work with one 3.7v battery or you can stack batteries for 6 or 7.4v, it's preference, especially between the 6 and 7.4 configuration. 6v would probably be easier to find attys for as you'll need a really high ohm atty to handle 7.4 or higher on fresh batteries. You might be able to use a 2.5 ohm Dual Core in the 7.4v configuration without issue as long as you're using IMR batteries, haven't tried it.

 

[Liv2Ski]

Or you could use a 18500/18490 and throw a Kick in the maxi roughstack:

The Kick

Super-T has the kick also.

 

[THE]

10.10.10.10.10.

 

[THE]

I pretty much understood that it was getting rid of extra current by throwing it off as heat, but, to me it seems like the regulator generates as much heat as the atomizer coil!! Well, maybe not.. (shouldn't the coil be making aprox 2x as much heat as the regulator since it's getting 5v and the regulator is only getting rid of 2.4v??) I don't know..

I'm going to try going with two 16340 3.7s from AW ... I've always used the red IMR 14500 in my box, but these "AW ICR 123/16340 Protected 3.7v" (black and silver and red) are protected, and cheaper- with a higher mah rathing ... Are the "ICR 123" from AW also "high drain", though? As I understood it, before, mah ratings didn't matter if the battery isn't rated for the actual load you're going to back up to it..

When I read about batteries before, I came to understand that xFires aren't made to handle the draw when they're in 5v device.. The 14500 aw imr batteries are rated to just barely be able to properly deal with the draw in the 5v device.

Looks like I'll be ordering dual coil 3ohm cartomizers Smok Tech 3.0 OHM Steel Dual Coil Cartomizer (Which will be a nice safe 6ohm calm relaxed vaping experience)

And some dual coil 2.5ohm Smok Tech 2.5 Ohm Black Dual Coil Short Cartomizer (Which will be a cloud of vapor and pretty hot, I suppose)

And some 5ohm single coil cartomizers Smok Tech 5 ohm 510 Cartomizer Single Coil
Not sure what to expect out of these but the reviews were great and a couple of people mentioned 7.4v performance specifically

If I got it right, this time ... I think those choices make sense ... I'm thinking that 7.4v is the most power I can get in my price range and if I can find the right carto/atomizer, everything will be perfect .. In my mind dual coil cartos (or dual coil atomizers- does anyone know which ones are good?) are the ticket .. I saw triple coil cartos somewhere and can't find them, now ...... to me it seems like the more surface area you have, the better .. that is the ticket to more vapor without burning the house down, right??



I'm thinking triple 1.5ohm+- coil cartomizers @ 7.4v would be as good as life can get... am I crazy? Or am I on the right track, here?? EDIT: I found them... http://www.totallywicked-eliquid.co...riple-coil-xl-cartomizers-3-pack-product.html .... would these be as amazing at 7.4 as it seems they'd be?? It says 1.4-1.6 so that means a total of 4.2 - 4.8, then? Almost perfect¿



I'm thinking that without a voltage regulator - I'll have far better battery life - right?
The way I see it my 5v box uses 7.4v anyway but 30%+ of it is wasted as heat
The batteries running a full 7.4v wide open will last about the same amount of time(between charges)- BUT- I'll have to actually be USING them 20% less... (and they have about the same mah rathing) if that makes sense? Am I making sense? I haven't slept in a long time

Sorry for the long post but there is so much to get right- and wrong...

 

[THE]

Or you could use a 18500/18490 and throw a Kick in the maxi roughstack:

The Kick

Super-T has the kick also.

I'm not sure what I would do with this.. it's genius, though...

 

[THE]

One last question ( I swear )

How terrible and bad would it be to stack a 3.7v battery with a 3.0v battery to get 6.7v??

I think I may have gone overboard when thinking 7.4 was a good idea.. but I still want to go far over board

 

[BubbaBlue]

How terrible and bad would it be to stack a 3.7v battery with a 3.0v battery to get 6.7v??

Not a good idea. Stick to the same kind/age of battery. See http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/129569-rechargeable-batteries.html

You are doing something similar to what I did a few months ago, experimenting with other voltages in the RS. I have two setups that work for me. One NiMH (4.8v) batt with a 3.2ohm SC carto... and two UF 16340s (7.4v) with a 5ohm SC. The 4.8v works for most juices and the 7.4v gives a good TH when needed and does a good job of showing off juice flavors I can't get elsewhere. Obviously, the 7.4v runs hot and it burns through the juice pretty fast. Keep an eye on it so you don't toast your carto.

Experimented with the 3v 16340s but couldn't find a carto match that would produce good vapor without tripping the batts. Gave up.

Getting ready to upgrade to VV with a LavaTube when they come out with their new one. Will probably upgrade all my batts to AW Li-MN too. Getting tired of worrying about the Li-Ion's.

 

[BubbaBlue]

Another higher voltage combo I forgot to mention, if you like to drip... MV's Vision Bridgeless 2.8ohm atty with the 4.8v NiMH batt. Or even better, the 2.8 atty on a passthrough with their 2A transformer. Awesome combo.

 

[THE]

Are nimh pretty safe? That's nickel metal hydride or something, right? They came out to replace nicads and were real popular in cordless phones since they don't have the memory effect nearly as badly, right???

 

[BubbaBlue]

NiMH is not the best for sure but its the only one I could find that would give me near 5v. If you get them, get the dedicated 4.8v NiMH charger.

The main beef I have with them is their capacity. 600ma and they poop out pretty fast if you hit it heavy. Have spares handy.

 

[BubbaBlue]

Jumping back in with an update. Upgraded my batts to AW IMRs and my pursuit of higher and higher volts has been put on hold for the time being.

The extra amps with the IMRs and LR cartos is great! Using Maxi RS w/ 18650 2KmAh IMR w/ Boge 2ohm XL SC and ST 1.7ohm SC Resurrectors. Even the IMR 18350s are good on the small RS but don't have the staying power as the 18650.

Still like dripping on the 5.8ohm bridgeless atty with a 2A passthrough, but the 4.8v and 7.4v setups have been collecting dust lately.

 

[THE]

Oh yeah the IMR vs Xfires it's night and day

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/reos-mods/198031-another-battery-question.html

If I'm doing the math right, 14500 Xfire 900mah are only rated for 1.35A while the 14500 AW IMR 550mah is rated at 4.4A...