Russian copiers

[MyGGlovesme]

Hi everyone, I am Russian. And I am Original Golden Greek lover so never wanted fake one even for free.
Hi Imeo please do not feel yourself dissapointed, ....it's too late and look, Confucius says "sh... happens".
I warned you about it and they made first copies before your permission I knew it from Russian E-forum but I am not there anymore.
IMHO it was a big Russian E-show off. Because the GG is The Best Mechanical E-device around the world and of course it was prestige to copy ( read: steal) one. And to make some Titanium copies to attract buyers...very sad story, so no happy end for them but I guess they will have very bad reputation now.
Of course every Russian who has GG knows it was stolen from you Imeo.
If I could be you I never want have any deals with people like this.
Russia is a big e-market and you know it. If you could supply with GG one of some Russian e-shops this situation will never, ever happen to you.

One thing I wanna say guys. Most of Russians GG Admirers here in Russian Section on ECF have Original GG and love them like I do, even maybe more. We have The Golden Greek Club there and very happy to be here on ECF.
Every nationality has great people and bad onces. So please guys do not judge every Russian like these thiefs.
Thanku.

 

[Zogem]

I♥myGG,

I've had the honor of knowing or working with, people from a vast variety of countries. There is a common theme; most are righteous, some aren't. It's simply xenophobic to view the world otherwise.

It's well known in the business world that success results in replication. It's going to happen, regardless of the market or product. It's inevetiabe.

Having read the thread, there are a few posts that give me pause, and warrant disdain; But on an individual basis not on a national collective.

-Z

 

[k3v1n]

I♥myGG, I don't think for one second anyone here thinks all Russians are like this.

No matter what country you came from, it has good and bad people.

 

[JollyRogers]

Imeo, this guy also has a website and is not listed as a supplier on ECF. He is producing eGo-T type B rebuildable atomizers similar to what the German builder does and also one that fits inside a UFS! I had pm'd him to get more info, but no response in a week. Maybe he is on hold for his supplier status in ECF? I noticed his website does not have any GGTS or UFS copies, probably for a reason.

Patriot atomizer for UFS (please delete this Imeo if you don't wish it to be here, or even whole post. I am only listing the link because I want you to see what he built, because I like the idea, and it is somewhat original.)

I don't want to get in the middle of all this, but I would really like something like this. I know you are building Odysseus to fit inside of UFS, and will probably get one (if I can), however, it requires me to add even more length to my UFS. Which is something I don't really care to do, since I use it on GGTS in small mode and want to keep the tank size reasonable in comparison.

 

[imeothanasis]

I love my GG, I like russians very much as I like USA people. Every nation has good and bad people and Greece is not an exeption. I knew that they would make GG either, so I gave my permission to avoid more troubles. But they didnt keep their word. Poor minded people but they still want to sell mods. So is there any customer that will trust them? I dont think so.

Rogers, reading my previous paragraph you can deside what you can do. Buying from these people is like supporting thiefs. I wouldnt do that even if they offer a gold atomizer for 5 euros. They steal my constructions, German's maker construction and your money too.

 

[Torqueguy]

Hi everyone, I am Russian. And I am Original Golden Greek lover so never wanted fake one even for free.
Hi Imeo please do not feel yourself dissapointed, ....it's too late and look, Confucius says "sh... happens".
I warned you about it and they made first copies before your permission I knew it from Russian E-forum but I am not there anymore.
IMHO it was a big Russian E-show off. Because the GG is The Best Mechanical E-device around the world and of course it was prestige to copy ( read: steal) one. And to make some Titanium copies to attract buyers...very sad story, so no happy end for them but I guess they will have very bad reputation now.
Of course every Russian who has GG knows it was stolen from you Imeo.
If I could be you I never want have any deals with people like this.
Russia is a big e-market and you know it. If you could supply with GG one of some Russian e-shops this situation will never, ever happen to you.

One thing I wanna say guys. Most of Russians GG Admirers here in Russian Section on ECF have Original GG and love them like I do, even maybe more. We have The Golden Greek Club there and very happy to be here on ECF.
Every nationality has great people and bad onces. So please guys do not judge every Russian like these thiefs.
Thanku.

Good post. There 's good and bad everywhere, its not the ethnicity, its morality. Some people are thieves, some not

Imeo will always have our support and he will grow even more in his business because of it.

Happy New Year

 

[RippleInStillWater]

Wrong!!! Everyone know you can't trust the Monegasque!!!





The odds I am offending anyone is infintesimial.........but I'm sure someone won't see the joke!!!!

 

[SAX]

MAN...I am so offended ......JOKE

Wrong!!! Everyone know you can't trust the Monegasque!!!





The odds I am offending anyone is infintesimial.........but I'm sure someone won't see the joke!!!!

 

[Para]

I love my GG, I like russians very much as I like USA people. Every nation has good and bad people and Greece is not an exeption. I knew that they would make GG either, so I gave my permission to avoid more troubles. But they didnt keep their word. Poor minded people but they still want to sell mods. So is there any customer that will trust them? I dont think so.

Rogers, reading my previous paragraph you can deside what you can do. Buying from these people is like supporting thiefs. I wouldnt do that even if they offer a gold atomizer for 5 euros. They steal my constructions, German's maker construction and your money too.

Imeo, as long as there are quality products there will be people who will knock them off. But, in the end, they will fail and go by the wayside.....

Your customers will always stand in line to buy your products; the Odysseus is another example of how your designs are the best and always will be. There is an old saying "Every wolf suffers fleas"....in other words the copiers are nothing more than an annoyance.

 

[Zogem]

Imeo, as long as there are quality products there will be people who will knock them off. But, in the end, they will fail and go by the wayside.....

Your customers will always stand in line to buy your products; the Odysseus is another example of how your designs are the best and always will be. There is an old saying "Every wolf suffers fleas"....in other words the copiers are nothing more than an annoyance.

Agreed.

Imeo's posting tag is "I will satisfy every vaper out there". That obvious passion, which became apparent during my pre-order research, told me there would be no wrong that would not be righted. Even my questions due to ignorance would be answered directly from the designer.

Even if an imatator had the CNC instructions, It's still a money grab, lacking the passion and support we've come to respect, most of you, more than I.

I, for one, have never had an issue paying for a premium product, as long as the support for the product is "bar-none".

-Z

 

[Torqueguy]

Wrong!!! Everyone know you can't trust the Monegasque!!!





The odds I am offending anyone is infintesimial.........but I'm sure someone won't see the joke!!!!

My best friend is half Monegasque. You hurt me deeply. Us Jersey guys are sensiteeve you know

 

[MrKrinkle]

what kills me is why copy anything if you have the means and the tools to produce your own mechanical mod... Wouldn't producing your own vision be more rewarding and accepted by all than just imitating another product spec for spec...

 

[Zoranth]

Copying does not require Imagination, which they obviously lack

what kills me is why copy anything if you have the means and the tools to produce your own mechanical mod... Wouldn't producing your own vision be more rewarding and accepted by all than just imitating another product spec for spec...

 

[RippleInStillWater]

My best friend is half Monegasque. You hurt me deeply. Us Jersey guys are sensiteeve you know

Admittedly, I had to look up what they were called -- I should have gone with my first thought, Andorrans!!!

what kills me is why copy anything if you have the means and the tools to produce your own mechanical mod... Wouldn't producing your own vision be more rewarding and accepted by all than just imitating another product spec for spec...

Copying does not require Imagination, which they obviously lack

Its been tried, the copying of Imeo's style, but no one has been able to get the fit/beauty aspect down well -- I am semi-surprised that this hasn't been done before. I deplore it, the complete lack of creativity, its like, I don't know, jumping on a bandwagon for me!!! <----j/k!!!!

 

[Para]

My best friend is half Monegasque. You hurt me deeply. Us Jersey guys are sensiteeve you know

Sadly, this is what I think of when people say "Jersey"

 

[Torqueguy]

Sadly, this is what I think of when people say "Jersey"

They're all New Yorkers that vacation down the Jersey shore. Jersey gave us Frank Sinatra, Thomas Edison and Grizelda Sputnik, my first girlfriend...

 

[novikov_a]

Dear ECF Members,
Be so kind please to read the opinion of other contracting party. We all know that in every conflict cannot be one party only and to draw the right conclusion from the one-sided opinion - is the straight way to the possible mistake.
About 5-6 months ago, Russian private entrepreneur named Igor (nic - Tigra) proposed Imeo Thanasis to agree on permission for Igor to produce and to sell in Russia the exact copy of the device (GGTS and UFS), which was invented and produced by Imeo in Greece.
There were two reasons why Igor asked for this permission.
1. Igor invented a new atomizer specially for UFS, named “Patriot”.
2. Business case for the production of "Patriot" in Russia was not profitable. It was to expensive to produce “Patriots” in Russia in small quantities because the number of UFS(GGTS) in Russia is not so big. The reasons you know by yourself, it is very difficult to buy the GG products and they are to expensive for most of Russians.
This is why Igor had the idea to contact with Imeo and discuss with him the amount of license fees for the production and the sale of the exact copy of GGTS and UFS in Russia.
As I know Imeo gave the permission for this production with the license fee of 60 Euros per each GGTS+UFS kit.
The current situation is following.
Igor’s initial plan of production of aluminum GGTS and UFS was changed, because of the price of this kit (incl. 60 Euro fees to Imeo) was more or less similar as original Greek products. 8 (eight) testing aluminum kits were presented to Igor's friends and partners for testing of usability.
Then came the next idea, to produce the titanium GGTS and UFS. It gave the possibility to have the advantages in super material (titanium) for the same price as aluminium kit.
There were produced only
7 (seven) kits of titanium GGTS with UFS for sale.
5 (five) kits were prepaid till this moment.
- 3 (three) of them were delivered.
- Two kits of them are reserved now by the potential buyers and they are waiting and decide now to take it or not.
And the rest - two kits are free at the moment.
In this situation, Igor had decided to pay the licence fees to Imeo after the delivery of the minimum 5 kits and is waiting now of delivery of two prepaid kits. Also Igor decided that after the sale of the last kit of titanium GGTS with UFS Russian production of GG will be stopped.
The next production will be concentrated on the sale of “Mega Patriot”. You know what I mean.
In this situation it is not clear for Igor, why Imeo did not contact Igor directly. Why Imeo did not ask Igor about the current situation and did not discussed theme about the payment of the fees from Igor, he mentioned in first post. It is not clear for us, why Imeo did not do it, but he additionally blamed Igor for the things, which he did not done.
Finally I would like to add the following. Please note that requests to Imeo for permission were done by Igor absolutely voluntary. Igor would not manufacture and sell GG products without Imeo’s permission.
In addition, Igor would like to say that he did not refuse to pay Imeo. And Imeo has no right to blame Igor.

 

[Serpent67]

Jersey shore seems to look better and better to me suddenly......

 

[Major]

And no matter how sincere you may be, coming to Imeo's online "home" to try to resolve a issue is totally improper. Your words are mixed with accusation of a man we totally trust and that is not tolerated on this forum.

This thread is locked pending decision by Imeo to leave it locked or delete it. Until that point that Imeo decides, any additional threads or posts on the matter will be deleted without further notice.

Major

 

[imeothanasis]

Very nice post novik. You didnt say something wrong at all. But I have 2 things to say:

1. Igor never contacted me about his progress, only every 2-3 months and always after my e-mails. I was always first asking him to tell me how things were going

2. It would be silly of me to open a thread like this without having 1 more very serious reason. The reason is that I send him 2 e-mails before I deside to open this thread. I waited 4 days between e-mails. No response at all. I was in the dark, no one contact me about anything or about Igor's new desision to make a new mod. So I had to do something. At least now I have an answer.
This behavior was not profesional at all.