Russian copiers

[novikov_a]

Dear Imeo,

thank you for your reply. I'm sure that you with Igor will solve all problems between you both. Unfortunately he is offline at the moment. I will contact him tomorrow and discuss this issue.

P.S. If you had have the problems with contact with Igor in last three weeks of last December, I had have the same problems too. Igor was always in the trip last December.

Best regards,

Novikov A.

 

[imeothanasis]

thanks a lot nov, nice to know that. I still think that its not good for a man that runs a business to be that much out of communication with customers-suppliers-parteners if you agree.

 

[MyGGlovesme]

is very difficult to buy the GG products

This is an old story. Everyone who wanted The GG in Russia could buy GG worldwide. The same thing GG Family does include Russian ECF GG Family. Everyone who came to RUS ECF had help.

and they are to expensive for most of Russians.

That's not the truth too. Everyone buys GG once, and it's not more expensive than to continue smoking in any country.
Russian made copies and devices are not too cheap too BTW.

... production and the sale of the exact copy of GGTS and UFS in Russia.
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If Tigra wanted to sell Russian copies so their price would be the same as the original. But you just said "they are to expensive for most of Russians".


Sorry Imeo, I just wanted to say what I know.

 

[imeothanasis]

Even if I didnt pay attention to all things novi said (I focused on Igor's behavior only), I think you are right my dear

 

[novikov_a]

Dear I♥myGG,

Please note, when I wrote my post you replied with quotes, at the mention of:
- Russians - I mean the citizens of Russia, people who live in Russian Federation currently and for sure who can not buy GG Products in Europe or USA or Australia. I did not take into consideration that "help" you mentioned, when one of your respected friends from "Russian ECF GG Family" tried to sell ("to help") aluminum GGTS+UFS for 600 USD and the same steel kit for 800 USD. And it is VERY EXPENSIVE in Russia! Probably you don't know it because you don't live in Russia.
However it is not easy to buy original GG products for any price and it may confirm anybody.
- Tigra wanted to sell Russian GG copies for the price of original GG products in Europe or USA or Australia. It is true, you are fully right.

 

[Major]

Dear I♥myGG,

Please note, when I wrote my post you replied with quotes, at the mention of:
- Russians - I mean the citizens of Russia, people who live in Russian Federation currently and for sure who can not buy GG Products in Europe or USA or Australia. I did not take into consideration that "help" you mentioned, when one of your respected friends from "Russian ECF GG Family" tried to sell ("to help") aluminum GGTS+UFS for 600 USD and the same steel kit for 800 USD. And it is VERY EXPENSIVE in Russia! Probably you don't know it because you don't live in Russia.
However it is not easy to buy original GG products for any price and it may confirm anybody.
- Tigra wanted to sell Russian GG copies for the price of original GG products in Europe or USA or Australia. It is true, you are fully right.

Russian citizens can buy GG items at the same price as the rest of the world. There are at least two world-wide sellers: England and Australia. Their prices are based (as are all sellers) on the price Imeo sets in Euros for each and every part.

Sorry but your argument that this was done to enable Russians Federation citizens to buy at the same price as Europeans and North Americans is not valid. Using the example of one black market seller si not valid either. We deal with that as well in the rest of the world.

If Russian Citizens buy from the U.K. they pay the same price as Imeo sets in Euros. In Australia, the Australian dollar. Just as some cannot afford to buy here in the US all they want to, I am sure it is the same in the Russian Federation. This seller was simply wanting to sell for the same price and make the money himself.

This was no more a "service" to the Russian people than if a shop in New York began to make exact copies to sell for the same price to Americans. I wont speak further on the matter but you are painting yourself into a corner with contradictory posts.

 

[Shaitaan]

sorry Nov, the hardest part to swallow is that tigra (Igor) isn't answering it himself, you are....so really it's all heresay.

 

[keighles]

Personally I don't get it...how would someone say in one sentence they are trying to make an affordable copy with aluminium because the local community can't afford the real mccoy. But then produce a titanium copy. I have worked with titanium, and let me tell you that stuff is not cheap at all. Especially compaired to aluminum.


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[Serpent67]

Titanium is not very easily mallable, nor cost efficient.

Imeo hit this subject on the head like a nail right from his first post.

I say no more.

 

[ko4ik]

novikov_a
А давай каждый за себя отвечать будет и воздержится от громких эпитетов замешанных на квасном патриотизме?! И уж тем более не будет выдавать себя за глас народа и рассказывать небылицы про "помощь" и русскую ветку ECF, будучи сам перепродАвцем...

novikov_a
Let every man be responsible for himself and refrain from loud epithets mixed up on pseudo patriotism, ок? And even more not pretend to be vox populi and tell fairy tales about "help" and Russian forum on ECF, and what is "VERY EXPENSIVE" in Russia...

 

[keighles]

No disrespect intended ko4ik, I was just stating what I have read and know. I have no idea what titanium cost is in Russia, but I do know how expensive it is in the states.

 

[urquidezj]

Not only how expensive it is in raw stock for, machining this material is extremely a pain in the .... That adds up the costs cuz most machine shops don't want to touch it. If I remember correctly diamond inserts or ceramic inserts are the only things that cut it and they are expensive, its nice that imeo allowed production tho. From all the hate he receives from members, I don't see why, not a lot of people will allow that.

 

[Yeff]

Dear I♥myGG,

I mean the citizens of Russia, people who live in Russian Federation currently and for sure who can not buy GG Products in Europe or USA or Australia. I did not take into consideration that "help" you mentioned, when one of your respected friends from "Russian ECF GG Family" tried to sell ("to help") aluminum GGTS+UFS for 600 USD and the same steel kit for 800 USD. And it is VERY EXPENSIVE in Russia! Probably you don't know it because you don't live in Russia.
However it is not easy to buy original GG products for any price and it may confirm anybody.

If someone something expensive - it needs to look at more economical options.
I live in Russia and buy ggts and other products in Imeo officials. For me normally pay for quality.
What's wrong with me?

 

[urquidezj]

You like quality lol.

 

[keighles]

I believe that's why we are all GG owners here...no matter where you are from quality is not lost in translation.

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[ko4ik]

No disrespect intended ko4ik, I was just stating what I have read and know. I have no idea what titanium cost is in Russia, but I do know how expensive it is in the states.

Sorry if my English touched someone else. Everything written by me referred to novikov_a and the rest difficulties of translation
Especially since you're right about titanium

 

[Zoranth]

The most effective way to work with Titanium is to precast the rough shape (Using "Slip Cast \ Lost Wax" process) then final machine. Which is still a very expensive process considering you would still need a furnace capable of melting titanium and the tooling to machine it

 

[RippleInStillWater]

All I know is my buddy Chaos is gone.......

 

[silentt]

I do miss seeing chaos around here

 

[Major]

I do miss seeing chaos around here

As do I. I would be out of line to say it was worse since it was over the shananigans of this copy clown but I'll restrain myself and not mention it.