With all the RY4s around, I am really curious what the RY4 that was actually made by Ruyan was/is like. Does it even exist? Googling around only brings up a bunch of dubious Alibaba hits. Does Ruyan still even make e-liquids?
Ruyan E-Liquid
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As far as I know, the original is long gone! However, just about every vendor has a version of it. I am totally hooked on it and have been trying to read through all the posts here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ws/193327-really-big-ry4-roundup-long-16.html
I think that link will bring you up to page 16, which is how far I have gotten. I believe it is over 200 pages long!
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ws/193327-really-big-ry4-roundup-long-16.html
I think that link will bring you up to page 16, which is how far I have gotten. I believe it is over 200 pages long!
Yeah, I realize how common it is, and have tried quite a few. I brought up RY4 mostly just because the fact that it is the one place where the name Ruyan is known. I have often heard people mention that present RY4s don't taste like the original, but then that is often qualified by saying the original Janty or Dekang, when obviously the flavor originated from Ruyan who were the first company to manufacture electronic cigarettes. Which just makes me wonder if anyone has tried the really real original.
Really, I'm more curious from a historical and informational perspective. Did Ruyan juices and PV's ever make it outside of China? Perhaps Ruyan's e-liquids were manufactured by another company such as Dekang? Does Ruyan even make anything at all presently?
Really, I'm more curious from a historical and informational perspective. Did Ruyan juices and PV's ever make it outside of China? Perhaps Ruyan's e-liquids were manufactured by another company such as Dekang? Does Ruyan even make anything at all presently?
I vaped the original back in 2009. In fact, Ludo, founder of Janty, claims he, along with another chemist invented the original.
Janty's Classic RY4 is the closest to the orginal in taste. This is the RY4 that I vape. I would try it if you want to know what the original was/is like. It is so popular, it doesn't stay in stock very long:
Janty Europe - CLASSIC eLiquid RY4 10 ml
Note: another similar flavor that Janty sells is their Elixir series KNT (Kent) eliquid. It is the smoothest tobacco flavor I have found:
Janty Europe - Elixir PG eLiquid KNT 15ml
Janty's Classic RY4 is the closest to the orginal in taste. This is the RY4 that I vape. I would try it if you want to know what the original was/is like. It is so popular, it doesn't stay in stock very long:
Janty Europe - CLASSIC eLiquid RY4 10 ml
Note: another similar flavor that Janty sells is their Elixir series KNT (Kent) eliquid. It is the smoothest tobacco flavor I have found:
Janty Europe - Elixir PG eLiquid KNT 15ml
That's one of the things I was talking about. Personally I highly doubt that claim. This seems to be a common scam perpetrated by e-cig companies. Both Volcano and Apollo try to pass off that they invented the Lavatube, and a hundred other places sell them by different names. Gotvapes renames things and acts like they design them. And a European company claims they invented the "Ruyan" flavor when there is or was a Chinese company called "Ruyan", who was the first company to manufacture E-cigs (I won't say invented because I've seen that turn into arguments.)
I can't say that I'm certainly correct in not believing Janty, but I really doubt it, and would like to dig my way to the truth.
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I'm pretty sure Volcano was the originator of the Lavatube, they sent a design to China and had them build it and went through all the testing and revising. There is a reason its commonly known as the Lavatube, of course no Chinese company is likely to honor any deals either if there is money to be made.
Ludo and Janty have been around at least since 2008. It's my understanding that he had an arrangement with DeKang, who actually made the only eliquid at the time, to come up with recipes for Janty and this was one of them. Runyan only made the hardware as I understood it. I can't verify that Ludo helped develop the original formula but the fact that Janty's RY4 tastes very close (if not the same) as the original, tells me he very well could have had a hand in the original recipe.
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I read that somewhere and broke down and payed for that overpriced crap... NOT even close!!! The old RY4 had that 'cotton candy' thing to it that everyone mentioned, plus I could not put the old RY4 down or even need any other juice!
Good thing I just got the smallest bottle of the Janty (still sitting in my never vape stash) LOL
Don't think Ruyan is slang, but either way it is definitely a company's name. But yes, it's name means something like "like smoke." I also don't think it's 4 because it took four attempts. Dekang sells a RY1, RY2, RY3, and a RY4. They are all variations, supposedly from less sweet to sweeter.
This may very well be true, my point is only that it's so hard to find the truth when different companies sell the same thing from the same Chinese manufacturer, but have a different name stamped on it, and then intimating or out right stating that they designed it. Certainly considering that the Chinese manufacturers don't actually retail the devices here, they may well be being underhanded and selling the devices to other retailers, but that just goes back to my point; who knows who's telling the truth.
I'm starting to think that Dekang must be the first company to produce RY4. Dekang still seems to be the only major Chinese eliquid producer. I have even noticed that if you try Joyetech branded eliquid that it tastes 100% the same as Dekang except that they seem to up the flavor percentage just a bit, so I have a suspicion that it's also being manufactured by Dekang. I think Ruyan probably designed it and Dekang manufactured it. Janty probably was one of, if not the first to sell it outside of China, and began the long tradition of falsely claiming to design things themselves.
Of course, I hate to call someone a liar if they are not, and I sincerely apologize if I am wrong, but I also really hate to be lied to and mislead, and I really very seriously doubt that Janty would design a flavor and then proceed to name it after a Chinese company that was around before them.
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I read that somewhere and broke down and payed for that overpriced crap... NOT even close!!! The old RY4 had that 'cotton candy' thing to it that everyone mentioned, plus I could not put the old RY4 down or even need any other juice!
The only eliquid back in early (Jan - Feb) 2009 was DeKang, so that is the only RY4 you would have had back then unless you started using RY4 in late 2009 or early 2010 when a few other brands came on the market. That was my main eliquid until they changed the receipe in early 2010. So I do know how the original tasted. Many other vets have agreed with me that Janty's RY4 is the closes to the original. And the original RY4 was ALWAYS described as a light tobacco flavor with carmel and vanilla undertones, not cottom candy. You must have had something other than the original.
Nope, I solely vaped the same RY4 that everyone else did until Dekang changed the for the crap they sell now. Personally, I could not taste cotton candy, however everyone always said it smelled like coton candy (there are threads that mention the same thing). I always got mine from Heavan Gifts until Dekang changed he friggin formula....
The last time I ordered some "Ruyan 4" from ECBlend, I noticed they had changed the name to "Ry 4" and they have posted this notice on the Ry 4 page:
"TRADEMARK NOTICE: This is ECBlend's version of Ruyan 4™, a registered TM of SBT Investment (Holdings) Limited, who owns the copyright on the name Ruyan. The group takes an active position in developing the domestic and overseas markets under the brand name of "Ruyan". Ruyan has registered patents in more than 40 countries since 2003. In 2007, Ruyan’s first international patent was registered and has registered the name in the United States as well. ECBlend is not associated in any way with SBT Investment Ltd."
"TRADEMARK NOTICE: This is ECBlend's version of Ruyan 4™, a registered TM of SBT Investment (Holdings) Limited, who owns the copyright on the name Ruyan. The group takes an active position in developing the domestic and overseas markets under the brand name of "Ruyan". Ruyan has registered patents in more than 40 countries since 2003. In 2007, Ruyan’s first international patent was registered and has registered the name in the United States as well. ECBlend is not associated in any way with SBT Investment Ltd."
THIS!!! This is exactly what I'm trying to say. I know that Ruyan had to be the inventor of the RY aka Ruyan 4. Now the question still remains: did they ever make it themselves, or did Dekang make it for them? If Ruyan made it, did it ever make it out of China, and do they still make it today.
But again, it's not really even about RY4 specifically. I'm mostly just curious about it for informational and historical reasons.
I do know that when Ludo first joined this forum he sold Ruyan products. If memory serves correctly, he did not make Ruyan's RY1 or RY4, but made his own Janty version, which had similar ingredients. I do know that in mid 2008 Ludo became Janty.
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This is not the post I was looking for or referring to in my earlier post, but since none of us were around in 2007, I have to believe this information is probably accurate on when RY4 first came on the scene and who introduced it, post #4 by Ludo:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/jantyworld/17386-ry2-ry3-ry4-difference.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/jantyworld/17386-ry2-ry3-ry4-difference.html
Thanks for the link wv2win that confirms the history that I have found . I do know Ludo stated the fourth "batch" became RY4 , as for the "other RY e.g. 1, 2 3, 5 etc. , I'm not sure IF they were the actual first batches OR came along later and "used" the RY4 "fame" to help market them.
I just wanted to say that this thread is one of the most interesting thread of the year! I can't wait to read what other veterans have to say before I order the "closest to original" RY4 juice on the market today... I mean, I've tried about 10 different RY4 and none of them tasted the same.
There are so many "variations" called RY4, that (at least) run the entire gambet from "Classic China RY4" to "Custom USA mixes" which can even include maple and "sky is the limit" This can be very confusing to anyone (especially new vapers who "figure" RY4 is RY4 and this is one flavor that two can be more different than "night and day" are) I guess it's all part of the fun when it's all said and done.
I feel bad for new vapers who try a bad one and decide they don't like ry4... Or, maybe I should feel even worse for those (like me) who love ry4 and now want to try ALL of them!
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