Ruyan's World Domination?

[Trial_And_Error]

Hello ECF!

First post here, yay. I live in Europe, Sweden and see a big potential in electronic cigarettes. I am not a big smoker myself, but I enjoy smoking. It is stimulating and nice to go out and walk with a friend. I use to stick with 1-3 cigarettes per day, but at partys I can do a full pack. I allways get disgusted with myself and this usally makes me skip tabacco for a week or so. I see a beauty in life and want to live long...

And then I read about e-cigarettes. Wow, best thing ever. So - In Sweden, via google, I got in contact with a website called "Nordic Eco Smoke". They supply goods from a company in Bejing (I think) called Ruyan.

Here is what's their website says.

"Nordic Eco Smoke is the Nordic distributor of Ruyan products. Ruyan is the only patented original e-cigarette in the world. Ruyans e-cigarette is not a tobacco product (and we do not sell any products with nicotine in the Nordics), it is a versatile simulator that serves as an ideal and healthier replacement for stable smokers and smokers who want to downsize their tobacco smoking habit."

And another example.

"Warning! - American FDA have found dangeorous substances in copycat brands (like njoy that also sell illegaly in the Nordics). Tests by independent laboratories showed no such traces in Ruyans products. Ruyan is the only patented original, do not buy bad copies."

They also claim to be the products used in the episode of "The Doctors".
Seen here --> YouTube - YouTube- Electronic Cigarette - Doctors say Healthier Alternative.mp4

So, I thought, since Ruyan is the official orginal with a world parent with no dangerous substances, it gotta be the best!



Wikipedia says the following about Ruyan.

"Ruyan is the original inventor of the e-cigarette and Ruyan has registered patents in more than 40 countries since 2003. Ruyan began to form the idea for the electronic cigarette in 2000. In 2003, SBT was established, and the first patent was registered in the same year in China; and in 2004, Ruyan’s first international patent was registered. It is important to point out, most e-cigarette sold use a heating element instead of ultrasonic technology.

I ordered a startkit and got in business. Ruyan cigarettes use cartridges that you buy new ones when they are out. It was alright I guess, inhaling was not quite the same, you really had to suck in to get it. (Acually got muscle fever in the mouth, got used to it tho heh) And the smoke was not thick, like I love about normal cigaretts. One of my batteries died after a week. Then after some two-three months the other one did not charge anymore.

I could have sent them back, but I was lazy and could not complain. I worked on me, I did not smoke a normal cigarette under the time.

Then I started to smoke normal cigarettes again, but now I want to pick up my 'good habbit' again. Though there is so much products out there thats seems really good. The 510's or what they are called? I know nothing about them, just seen a video and the smoke seems.. awesome.



I really wanna smoke healty - but do not want in future to get some crazy disease because picked up on some lame trend that was going on. I am just unsure I guess, tried to search the forums for Ruyan but did not found anything at all really.

Are they a dying company or what?
Tell me the story, are they the 'orginal'?

I see some electronic cigarettes contain bad substances in the FDA reports .. is it worse then the normal cigarettes contain over 50 carcinogenic substances. What's worst?

Ruyan claim the be the only brand with no toxic substance at all (according to FDA) which sound good... is it true?

Who should I belive in?
Why do cigarettes get banned?

...What should I do?

Advice me, my Lord(s)
Smoke hard.

 

[dormouse]

Almost all e-cigarettes are made in China by a handful of companies. Some are crappy weak ecigs, some are good ones. Anything exactly the same size and diameter of a cigarette is generally a weak ecig with poor battery life and a tiny cartridge and many of those are also junky. As for the juice - yes the original but not the best. Chinese seem to specialize in simple 100% PG juices - the flavors are generally not complex at all. With nicotine in them, 100% PG lets through the most TH but that can be a bit harsh. I like juices with some VG in them - like 70%PG/30%VG - more vapor and smooths the TH a bit. But I vape some of the Chinese juices.

If you are not getting nicotine, then 100% PG will be fine but lacking the main TH component nicotine and not the most vapor because there is no VG. Flavors range from decent to overdone to lacking.

If you want something about the size of a cigarette (slightly thicker) with decent performance try a Joye 510 with a cartomizer. The black looks the slimmest but will probably have a blue LED. For longer battery life (and a length of 125mm with cartomizer, more with atty and cart) you could get the mega (extra long) 510 batteries. I recommend manual batteries for easy dragging, more consistent hit, batteries that are sealed against leaks on the end and also won't turn on by accident from wind or vibration. There are PCC cases that can charge one battery while you use the other (good if you are out a long time). The mega batteries need a different PCC than the standard 510 batteries.

 

[Trial_And_Error]

I don't mind getting some wierd long black stuff like Cruella De Vil in 101 Dalmatians, althrough that was just a normal cigarette holder.



Anyway, about the size .. I did not like the regular cigarette size very much when I bought mine. Was hard to hold in a way, no grip at all - so what you recommend sound good.

Nicotine is prefered very much but a mega battery feels a bit over the egde since I am not a heavy smoker.

About atomizer, cartridges, cartomizer..

Cartomizer = a cartridge with a inbuilt atomizer, for a lazy user?

With the ruyan product I bought, they reccomended to change atomizer every 8th cartridge so thats the "vision" I have. Don't know how it works with other brands.

1. How does it works if I want to buy juice only and fill it up myself?
2. Do I fill up my own empty cartomizers or could I buy a special e-cigarette that should only be used for juice - that I drip straight into a hole or something?
3. I have read on these forum that I could drip my juice straight ON the atomizer for like 1-3 drops and it would last for about a cigarette. Is this true?
4. I have no problem with refilling my own this since it feels like you get a better view about how much money you save. Is it recommended?

Cheers

 

[dormouse]

Lots of questions!

A Joye 510 comes as a 3-piece
battery + atomizer + cartridge (aka cart - push-on plastic and stuffing, holds less juice than a cartomizer)
With a cartomizer it becomes a bit shorter and a 2-piece
battery + cartomizer (aka carto, screw-on and has internal atomizer)

1. How does it works if I want to buy juice only and fill it up myself?

You can add juice to carts or cartos
Carts can physically last a long time, you can put fresh stuffing in, add juice. The atomizer is what will need to be not abused, cleaned periodically, eventually will weaken or stop working since it makes the heat. Good standard atomizers can last for months. I have been alternating 2 weekly for 2+ months so far and they work fine.

Cartomizers - if you get standard soft-cap cartomizers they are pretty easy to fill - you pop the soft cap out of the mouth end, hold a tissue on the other end (where the hole is), and tilt it about 45 degrees. Drip ejuice down the inner sides while rotating to get all sides. let soak in, repeat. Sometimes I hold it horizontal and rotate to help the juice distribute and soak in. if it starts coming out the bottom hole I stop, wipe the bottom dry, then puff into the threaded end hole to make sure the air channel is clear of juice. Put the mouth-end cap back in and try it - if drag is dry I stop - you don't want to singe the stuffing. Maybe add a bit more or rotate various ways to distribute the juice. Once you get it enough to work, then you can just top it off with a bit when vapor gets low. Eventually the internal atty gets gunked up and performance goes down, or it dies, or you singe the stuffing. I have been using one carto for a week, topping it off when needed (always off the battery with a tissue held against the bottom).

The nice thing with cartos is much less filling - much less. A carto only holds about 2x what a cart holds but you often have to top off a cart to keep the top of the stuffing moist. Carts I think are more prone to give a burnt taste. With cartos it seems a more reliable experience.

And there are some new reservoir cartos I have not tried - no stuffing and you use a special flexible syringe to fill. They still have some bugs to work out, especially with the clear ones (the tube is flimsy and can crack).

You can buy some prefilled 510 cartomizers at LiquidXpress.com but you'll probably want to top them off with juice to get the most use out of them. If you find some prefilled ones you like you could use them then just top them off with a compatible juice. (like almost any tobacco juice into a tobacco carto, and a good non-creamy vanilla can be used to refill almost any flavor carto)

With a manual 510 battery and 510 atomizer you can put on a drip tip and just drip a few drops into the drip tip, give it a slight shake down to make sure the juice went down to the atty, and vape for several puffs. Then add another couple of drops and vape more, etc.

Only drip with manual batteries. The autos have an open hole on the threaded end. And obviously manual batteries are safer with carts and cartos too.

I think I answered all of your questions.

There are bigger ecigs with longer lasting battery, one bigger one with a tank, etc.

The one other model you might want to look at is KR808D-1 (also sold by Vapor4Life as their VaporKing). but it definitely looks fatter than a cigarette. It's a dedicated 2-piece model but does have more flavors of cartos available. On the other hand, the 510 has a larger variety of blank cartomizers and is probably better for dripping because its manuals are totally sealed metal on the threaded end (and because it comes with an atomizer which is needed for dripping). KR808D-1 can use a DSE901 atty or with an adapter a 510 atty.

These two models are the most recommended first ecigs unless someone is a heavy smoker or needs 6-8 hours battery life of stronger hits, in which case the fat battery model are recommended (like Ego, Riva 510, Ego-T, etc)

 

[unsure]

It not right of anyone to suggest a mod for a firsttimer because of cost and the fact they may not like vaping but all us veterns have had our first starter kits then upgraded to others then others and the next thing we knew hundreds of $$ have been spent. I'd like to see a noobie actually not travel down that road. You dont need to get a hi-end mod but a reasonable one made by suppliers here in the USA. Go to the classifed section or the suppliers section and read, research and ask questions.....then buy!

Whatever you do I hope you quit smoking and have a great vaping experience.

lecture over!!!!!

 

[DC2]

Are they a dying company or what?
Tell me the story, are they the 'orginal'?

Yes, they are the original, but that doesn't make them any better than anyone else.

I see some electronic cigarettes contain bad substances in the FDA reports .. is it worse then the normal cigarettes contain over 50 carcinogenic substances. What's worst?

That is all pure bullcrap, and it is unfortunate that you, like so many others, have gotten that into your head.

Just read this, it will completely answer all of your questions...
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-institutes/population-development/files/article.jphp.pdf

 

[DC2]

You are asking a lot of simple questions, but they all have long and complicated answers.
That is why I am going to direct you to threads to read, rather than attempting to answer them myself.

With the ruyan product I bought, they reccomended to change atomizer every 8th cartridge so thats the "vision" I have. Don't know how it works with other brands.

That is absurd.

Atomizers can last for months and months, especially with the right cleaning methods.
Others might use them for months without even cleaning them at all.

• How does it works if I want to buy juice only and fill it up myself?
• Do I fill up my own empty cartomizers or could I buy a special e-cigarette that should only be used for juice - that I drip straight into a hole or something?
• I have read on these forum that I could drip my juice straight ON the atomizer for like 1-3 drops and it would last for about a cigarette. Is this true?
• I have no problem with refilling my own this since it feels like you get a better view about how much money you save. Is it recommended?

I STRONGLY suggest that you read this...
The Wonderful World of Vaping | Vaping Guides


As for your individual questions...

How does it works if I want to buy juice only and fill it up myself?

Watch these videos, they are highly recommended by everyone here...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-videos-newbies-particular-broke-newbies.html

I have read on these forum that I could drip my juice straight ON the atomizer for like 1-3 drops and it would last for about a cigarette. Is this true?

Yes, it is very true, and many of us do this, and here are some more threads for you to read...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/polls/92564-do-you-use-cartridge-cartomizer-drip.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/66848-guide-direct-dripping.html

I have no problem with refilling my own this since it feels like you get a better view about how much money you save. Is it recommended?

It is recommended by almost everyone, probably at least 95% of the people here do that.

 

[dormouse]

I didn't see anyone suggesting a mod. I suggested a 510 with its longer batteries and a cartomizer or a KR808D-1.

 

[Trial_And_Error]

Thanks for all the answers! I will look through them more closely after breakfast.

But about Ruyan?
Do they have "world patent" or what? Like, are they the only ones that are "allowed" to sell?








Edit:

Yes, they are the original, but that doesn't make them any better than anyone else.


That is all pure bullcrap, and it is unfortunate that you, like so many others, have gotten that into your head.

Just read this, it will completely answer all of your questions...
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-institutes/population-development/files/article.jphp.pdf

Wow, just read the whole article.

This changes everything..

I am no longer brainwashed.

 

[DC2]

But about Ruyan?
Do they have "world patent" or what? Like, are they the only ones that are "allowed" to sell?

Well, yes, and no, and maybe.

Here are a couple of threads to look at...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lawsuit-us-court-against-three-companies.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...26-dragonite-formerly-ruyan-v-us-lawsuit.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cussion/149119-whats-all-patent-nonsense.html

 

[Trial_And_Error]

Well, yes, and no, and maybe.

Here are a couple of threads to look at...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...lawsuit-us-court-against-three-companies.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...26-dragonite-formerly-ruyan-v-us-lawsuit.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cussion/149119-whats-all-patent-nonsense.html

Oh god there is a war going on and I didn't even know it.

Ruyan are such a-holes. If they win .. will it be the end?

What do you guys think is going to happend?