Unusual New Ruyan Patents ?
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I didn't ask.
But I would say the answer is in the Pending Patents.
A tobacco version that has much more chemical similarities to tobacco than just nicotine and harder for FDA to argue against.
A lobelia version (my fav.) which is already regulated as a supplement.
My favorite because I have used lobelia and found the effects very similar to Nicotine gum and am hopeful the
results will be them same in an E-cigarette
But I would say the answer is in the Pending Patents.
A tobacco version that has much more chemical similarities to tobacco than just nicotine and harder for FDA to argue against.
A lobelia version (my fav.) which is already regulated as a supplement.
My favorite because I have used lobelia and found the effects very similar to Nicotine gum and am hopeful the
results will be them same in an E-cigarette
It has already been established that this is off-topic, but for the sake of correcting an apparent misinterpretation...
You completely missed my point, kinabaloo. I was not -- and would not -- take the position that the Chinese people do not have a rich history of innovation. Rather, my comment was meant to be a caustic observation related to the fact that Chinese companies effectively ignore foreign patent rights. Moreover, the theft of intellectual property is implicitly sanctioned -- and explicitly facilitated -- by the Chinese government, according to leading business publications that take a favorable view of Chinese business. In other words, these are not China-bashers. These are pragmatic business journalists that present something the international community views as criminal as being a "like it or not" byproduct of cultural differences.
I don't think this is a good idea. There are a lot of prescriptions that can have negative effects when MAOI's are introduced to the body, some of which include heart attack and death. Even if these new juices are corectly and noticably labeled, there could be incedents with drug interactions that could bring negative light to ecigarettes in general. Somebody stop these people.
The MAOIs you are thinking of are completely different, DataPhreak. These MAOIs are beneficial substances currently present in tobacco. If you take some time to search this forum, you find the issue is thoroughly explained.
For your sake, as well as that of a billion other smokers, you might want to educate yourself and change your "call to action" to "Somebody help these people."
That's probably true, but aren't these guys the same people who were putting ...... into their carts? Sure it may help some people, but it should definitely be an option that you can decide whether it's in there or not. Until this whole ordeal with the FDA is settled, juices should be kept simple. Glycol, Nicotine, Flavor. That's it. (IMHO)
It is definitely true. I'm not speculating.
As for whether there is an advantage to maintaining the nic-only status quo until the FDA issue is resolved: that is a matter of opinion. And it has been debated, also. The gist of the counterpoint is that dramatically more effective eliquid (i.e., WTA eliquid) = accelerated rate of conversion of smokers to vapers = exponentially increasing political power.
You are welcome to take either side of the debate, of course.
BTW, to be clear: I am not defending Ruyan or its actions in this important area of innovation. As far as is generally known, they are not presenting a comprehensive solution.
The hard fact is that -- for a large percentage of vapers (and current smokers/potential vapers)-- nic-only eliquid is not sufficiently effective to wean them off of analogs, so WTA eliquid is being refined and its usage is spreading, no matter what position anyone takes in any debate.
The type of person refining and sharing WTA eliquid methodologies today is the same type of person that was developing and sharing the early PVs and nic-only eliquid recipes. This whole community was founded on the shoulders of a handful of early pioneers that saw fit to make personal sacrifices and share their findings with smokers desperate for an alternative to "quit or die." This is simply the next stage in that process...
Tescela, I think you're right on in your view. There is a large segment of the smoking population that finds E liquid doesn't satisfy their needs that analogs do and the absence of those other alkaloids might be the key. For me, snus was perfect and broke down that regular hand to mouth habit but for others, those alkaloids might make the difference between continuing to smoke or finding a satisfactory alternative.
Apparently the extraction process is a lot more involved so you'd expect the cost of the liquid to reflect that. I'd expect that only those with a physiological need would be willing to pay extra for the product.
Apparently the extraction process is a lot more involved so you'd expect the cost of the liquid to reflect that. I'd expect that only those with a physiological need would be willing to pay extra for the product.
I don't think anyone can say for certain that the MAOI's in tobacco are not causing drug interaction with other pharmacuticals. Remember, it's not necessarily a chemical reaction between MAOI's and the drugs in question that is the root of the problem, but a conflict of intrest between the processes they effect in the body. Generally, it's anti-depressants that are the pharmacuticals in question, and many work on the principal of, or also cause, MAO-A and MAO-B isozymes to be inhibited. All MAOI's do this, or else they are not MAOI's. So when you introduce multiple sources of MAOIs into the body, you could potentially shut down MAO excretion completely, causing severe physiological side effects, which include, but are not limited to: Severe chest pain; severe headache; stiff or sore neck; enlarged pupils; fast or slow heartbeat; increased sensitivity of eyes to light; increased sweating (possibly with fever or cold, clammy skin); nausea and vomiting.
You are (perhaps unconsciously) subtly tweaking the original assertion from which you leaped to: "Somebody stop these people."
Time for an important bit of nuance: with a billion smokers on this planet, if there is an interaction between a substance in tobacco and a pharmaceutical: the pharmaceutical is causing the interaction, not a substance in the tobacco.
Your posts are great, tescela! E-liquid with MAOI's, made from tobacco will have no brand-new horrible physical effect on confirmed smokers. If people (like me) discover that nicotine-only e-juice is insufficient to stop smoking while staying sane they will either go back to smoking or try other options. I found that a combination of Swedish snus and vaping can keep me from smoking, but would prefer the option of an e-juice with all the tobacco alkaloids.
It should also be noted that in addition to the MAOI's, tobacco flavor would also be a natural occurance and not an added flavor.
Given FDA's position against "any" flavoring in tobacco products only this and the Ploom butane design would have any flavor beyond the taste of PG and nicotine.
BTW, nicotine does not taste like tobacco, it is much closer to the taste of pepper, if any of you will recall from the first Nicorette gum.
Given FDA's position against "any" flavoring in tobacco products only this and the Ploom butane design would have any flavor beyond the taste of PG and nicotine.
BTW, nicotine does not taste like tobacco, it is much closer to the taste of pepper, if any of you will recall from the first Nicorette gum.
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BCB, we don't see you much over on the dark side anymore.
Trying, flavor is a joke. What is natural tobacco flavor? There are so many "flavors" added to tobacco that even after 43 years of smoking I don't think I could tell you what tobacco actually tastes like natural tobacco. Unless you're growing and drying your own, it's all flavored with something.
Trying, flavor is a joke. What is natural tobacco flavor? There are so many "flavors" added to tobacco that even after 43 years of smoking I don't think I could tell you what tobacco actually tastes like natural tobacco. Unless you're growing and drying your own, it's all flavored with something.
I am not sure what totally unflavored tobacco tastes like. But I am certain that it would taste better than unflavored nicotine.
Its an interesting thought.
If you are really curious, then there should be some people around here that can describe what totally natural tobacco tastes like, because some forum users have discussed growing their own tobacco. I couldn't point you to them at the moment, but I recall posts about it over time.
Of course, taste is subjective, and the types of tobacco being grown would presumably make a significant difference, so their descriptions might be all over the board.
I randomly Caught some items of your list.The bolded items , off the top of my head, are NOT
chinese invention especially the "decimal system" and Indian
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