Hi Sorry this is a long one but I'm hoping that someone can put my mind at rest - basically I will make it absolutely clear that I do not think e-cigarettes are to blame for my problems -but am wondering if they could make any problem I have worse...or cause any of the symptoms (like the burping?) I am desperate to find out what caused this...(like I have also spoken to my dentist - I had minor dental work carried out earlier on the day this started -) I've been using e-cigarettes and normal cigarettes for about 3 months. Have managed to get my normal cigarette use down by half (8) and was planning on reducing further. I use standard (PG I assume) coffeee flavoured liquid. I started on 36 mg liquid and then got 18mg stuff but found it wasn't really strong enough - so was mixing it with some new 36mg stuff - about 2 days before this started...(which I know is probably a coincidence!) My health is a bit dodgy... I was diagnosed with a rare autoimmune blood clotting disorder approx 20 yrs ago after several clots (I was high risk anyway - long haul flights etc) but now I test negative for the disorder - and have had no problems since but so little is know about the disorder I have to err on the safe side (I shouldn't smoke full stop ..) About 3 weeks ago I had a pain in my left hand side under my ribs and into my shoulder ...it was catching when I tried to breathe - with my history I was taken to hosiptal, I coughed up small amounts of blood (nothing like the amount when I had a real PE) but the pain was so severe I ended up on morphine... They couldn't see a clot on VQ scan and an ultrasound/blood test showed up nothing gastro- intestinal and they also did some metabolic blood tests -normal I had terrible 'burps' in the days before and a big meal (family occasion I couldn't get out of!) the night before this happened ...I also have been taking aspirin daily for 15yrs + - so I am now on proton pump inhibitor medicine, gaviscon (which didn't seem to work on its own before the pain got bad) and have just started taking a replacement medication instead of aspirin which is easier on the stomach.. The pain has got better now -just get an odd twinge - and still getting a bit breathless (it does still hurt a bit on deep breathing (like when smoking!) also I've had a nasty cold that has gone onto my chest a bit ...avoiding antibiotics because don't want to throw something else into the mix The doctors have no explanation to what caused the pain - (3-4 in the hospital and 2 GPs) I have been told that it may have been a micro clot (didn't show up on the VQ scan) or maybe something to do with the aspirin or they roughly checked out my pancreas some of my symptoms did seem like pancreatis -and also I have a strong family history of gall stones -but this was the wrong side! Or may it was a combination of things... They let me out of hosiptal with a nicotine patch - but I started smoking again -so have stopped the patches - I haven't used my e-cigarettes since...just because so little is known about them I thought they were something I should take out of the equation... but I would like to get back onto them... So has anyone experience any of the symptoms I have - could it be the e-ciggie that was giving me the burps? Is anyone else a long term aspirin user and suffers no problems? Coughing up blood as a side effect of reducing 'normal' cigarette use? Or as a reaction to PG? If you were me would you start using them again ? Really any help/advice/feedback would be appreciated - I really am pro e-ciggie - I think they are fantastic -and that governments don't like them for taking their tax revenue and big pharma for taking us away from their patches/gum etc (BTW I was given loads of patches (2 weeks + supply) to bring home with me...I didn't ask for them - all paid for by the NHS - whilst my 'essential' medicines I got 1-2 weeks supply - hmmmmm)
safe to return to e-ciggies?
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With your history, only your doctor would be qualified to judge the side effects of the PG or VG on you. Anything you would hear here is only our best guesses, unfortunately in your case you really need to go by your doctor's advice.
I can't believe ecigs are worse for you than the funkarettes...but listen to your Doc...ecigs can definitely give the burps...listen to your Doc...a small percentage of folks have a reaction/sensitivity to PG...these folks usually can vape a higher or all VG juice...listen to your Doc and I hope you find a solution to your health problems that don't include returning to the funkies............
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When I first starting vaping...burping seemed to be the norm for me especially when I used PG. PG to this day still gives me some small issues...heartburn but is easily fixed with Tums. I've also read that some people have burping/gas issues when they first switch over..my opinion is because your body is getting rid of the toxins and starting it's healing process.
If I were you, talk to your doctor about it. That's the route I would go if I were you since you already have health issues. In fact, talk to more than one and see what they all have to say with your past medical history.
If I were you, talk to your doctor about it. That's the route I would go if I were you since you already have health issues. In fact, talk to more than one and see what they all have to say with your past medical history.
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Is your blood disorder called factor 5? or something to that effect? My best friend has it and gets clots all the time if she doesn't take cumidin(sp) and she has vaped just fine. Doesn't mean that it can't effect you differently. She has never been on an aspirin program for the clots.
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In my own personal opinion as I am not a doctor nor should my opinion be interpreted as a medical one or advice in any form or fashion that relates to anything medical in nature. With this being said you read my opinion below as my own personal experience which is unique in nature to myself and should not be interpreted as extending beyond the opinion of myself to you the poster.
Sorry for the disclamer (Law Student) whom is to well informed on liability
I think that with 4,000+ chemicals in an analog it would be safe to say that anything that takes that out of the equation and drops it down to 6 chemicals should be interpreted as a "safer" alternative. The burping is from to much nicotine intake a "nicotine overdose" and I have experienced this . At 36mgs you should be aware that nicotine is a vascular dilator which has also been found to cause blood clots over long term. If an individual is at medical risk for blood clots then any nicotine product would increase the risk. Vaping takes out of the equation thousands of chemicals however if one of those chemicals it still has conflicts with a persons own medical history i.e allergies etc then that person would be wise to discontinue use. But if that person would turn to an alternative that has nicotine in it as well along with 4,000 chemicals it could be said that the safer alternative would be the one which has only 6 with the only commonality of the 4,000+ alternative which is nicotine. If the individual could not quit smoking and he had success with vaping then he should speak with his doctor on nicotine level per his medical condition and the risk associated with the use. At 36mgs I personally had several serious issues at 18mgs I do not although I smoked for 10 years. I fell that for me the issue was with nicotine overdose. You should also be aware that nicotine absorption is different with vaping it is found to be less than half as efficient as its counterpart. So on the surface 36mgs may seem fine but if all a person does is suck on it all day and they are getting frequent burps then it could actually be worse than smoking for a person with a medical risk to nicotine. This would depend on the amount smoked vs the amount vaped and also the length of draw and the frequency of use when vaping but I could speak for everyone here when I say go to your doctor tell him you use a personal vaporizer at 36mg nicotine and how often etc and he can discuss the risks with you and everything else. If you go to 18mgs or 24 etc you would be doing that at your own uninformed risk as a medical perfesional that has been treating you would be qualified to tell you. Just because 18mgs works for me does not mean that you would not experience another emergency visit if you did it. It is fact that nicotine can cause blood clots and if you have a disease with blood clots then you have an increased risk that I am sure your doctor has said to you. The question for your doctor tho is at what intake would be safe for extended use per your condition. This is the million dollar question for you in my non medical opinion. However he would not just say use 12mgs of a product I have not been trained on or experienced in and one where there is no medical data whatsoever in any testing that relates to anything diseases or otherwise. What he could do is monitor you by you lowering your own intake by purchasing a lower strength and he could also tell you the risks associated as he is well informed on nicotine in general. Keep in mind there are diffrent grades of nicotine as well and so little is known in regards to vaping that you might leave him frustrated with little input. I do it because I know it is better than smoking and if I had a medical condition in relation to an increased risk of nicotine use I would still choose vaping as it is in my own experience safer and better than smoking analog cigarettes. However I would only choose vaping If I could not quit nicotine products in general considering If I had a medical condition that correlates to nicotine use
Good luck to you
Sorry for the disclamer (Law Student) whom is to well informed on liability
I think that with 4,000+ chemicals in an analog it would be safe to say that anything that takes that out of the equation and drops it down to 6 chemicals should be interpreted as a "safer" alternative. The burping is from to much nicotine intake a "nicotine overdose" and I have experienced this . At 36mgs you should be aware that nicotine is a vascular dilator which has also been found to cause blood clots over long term. If an individual is at medical risk for blood clots then any nicotine product would increase the risk. Vaping takes out of the equation thousands of chemicals however if one of those chemicals it still has conflicts with a persons own medical history i.e allergies etc then that person would be wise to discontinue use. But if that person would turn to an alternative that has nicotine in it as well along with 4,000 chemicals it could be said that the safer alternative would be the one which has only 6 with the only commonality of the 4,000+ alternative which is nicotine. If the individual could not quit smoking and he had success with vaping then he should speak with his doctor on nicotine level per his medical condition and the risk associated with the use. At 36mgs I personally had several serious issues at 18mgs I do not although I smoked for 10 years. I fell that for me the issue was with nicotine overdose. You should also be aware that nicotine absorption is different with vaping it is found to be less than half as efficient as its counterpart. So on the surface 36mgs may seem fine but if all a person does is suck on it all day and they are getting frequent burps then it could actually be worse than smoking for a person with a medical risk to nicotine. This would depend on the amount smoked vs the amount vaped and also the length of draw and the frequency of use when vaping but I could speak for everyone here when I say go to your doctor tell him you use a personal vaporizer at 36mg nicotine and how often etc and he can discuss the risks with you and everything else. If you go to 18mgs or 24 etc you would be doing that at your own uninformed risk as a medical perfesional that has been treating you would be qualified to tell you. Just because 18mgs works for me does not mean that you would not experience another emergency visit if you did it. It is fact that nicotine can cause blood clots and if you have a disease with blood clots then you have an increased risk that I am sure your doctor has said to you. The question for your doctor tho is at what intake would be safe for extended use per your condition. This is the million dollar question for you in my non medical opinion. However he would not just say use 12mgs of a product I have not been trained on or experienced in and one where there is no medical data whatsoever in any testing that relates to anything diseases or otherwise. What he could do is monitor you by you lowering your own intake by purchasing a lower strength and he could also tell you the risks associated as he is well informed on nicotine in general. Keep in mind there are diffrent grades of nicotine as well and so little is known in regards to vaping that you might leave him frustrated with little input. I do it because I know it is better than smoking and if I had a medical condition in relation to an increased risk of nicotine use I would still choose vaping as it is in my own experience safer and better than smoking analog cigarettes. However I would only choose vaping If I could not quit nicotine products in general considering If I had a medical condition that correlates to nicotine use
Good luck to you
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Nicotine is a skin irritant
Nicotine in 100% PG can be very irritating. Some people have gotten sore mouth, tongue, throat or even lungs.
Vaping can be very drying - you need to drink fluids
Nicotine is a vasoconstrictor, Overuse of nicotine can cause headaches, blood pressure changes, rapid or irregular heartbeat, poor circulation in extremities.
In my experience, VG is what causes me to burp. With high PG juices I don't and when I drip some higher VG juices I do.
Nicotine in 100% PG can be very irritating. Some people have gotten sore mouth, tongue, throat or even lungs.
Vaping can be very drying - you need to drink fluids
Nicotine is a vasoconstrictor, Overuse of nicotine can cause headaches, blood pressure changes, rapid or irregular heartbeat, poor circulation in extremities.
In my experience, VG is what causes me to burp. With high PG juices I don't and when I drip some higher VG juices I do.
Thanks for your replies (late responsive is because it was early hours of the morning here...posted before I went to bed!) First - I am pretty sure my doctors won't know much about e-cigarettes... I did mentioned it to one of the Docs in the hospital and they hadn't heard of them ... I actually know more than most doctors about my (possible) disorder (Hughes/ antiphospholipid syndrome - not Factor V - Coumadin is called Warfarin in the UK - and if I still tested positive I would be on it - went on to aspirin cos I was very young and didn't want to be on warfarin for life -like 50+ yrs). Doctors are only human and can't possibly know everything ... my GP had to check that the aspirin replacement was suitable for people with my condition - he didn't know and I wouldn't expect him to..I also checked through a forum (have other people been prescribed it?) and also by phone with the specialists on my condition... Asking people who actually use e-ciggies for any side effects they experience (or even think they experience) is really useful because of the lack of research into their use... The burping thing is really interesting ...if that was just a side effect of getting used to the e-ciggies etc (I found I wasn't using them as much with the lower nicotine - so my use had increased in the days before) - I didn't notice it when I started using them but I wasn't really paying much attention then - now I'm thinking about every little thing if that makes sense... I think I will use them again for now and stop two days before I stop the proton pump inhibitors at the end of the week (this is test whether it was the aspirin was causing me problems or not)...hmmm... Sadly that would mean it does look more like a microclot -which is really not good news for me..clotting risk increases with age - it might be time I get back onto the warfarin (or be sensible with my history and actually quit all nicotine use all together...I was told to by a doc if I wanted to live I could never have another cigarette - I lasted 24hrs before I gave in and started again..and that was 20 yrs ago...)
If the doc prescribed a nicotine patch for you, then he's likely to be less concerned about the nicotine itself. The burping could be from something as simple as swallowing air when you vape. I would suggest taking your e-cig, information from The ECF Library and educate your doc about e-cigs so that you can have a conversation with him about whether they are a good choice for you.
Good luck and keep us posted on how it's going for you.
Good luck and keep us posted on how it's going for you.
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