Salt?

[mariahpoo]

THIS COULD BE A REALLY REALLY BAD IDEA.

salt water and electricity will 'break' the salt into Sodium and Chlorine.

Cl is a deadly gas, the remaining Sodium will likely form Caustic soda.


Edit: Yeah I looked it up, here's a video

I'd say don't salt your juice.

Okay I can say from view of the video that is what happens when you electrify salt water.

Heating up salt in water will not change the composition. IE... if you leave a pot of saltwater on the stove it will heat up and evaporate, even create steam vapor that is entirely safe to breath. And that is what our atomizers do after all. They evaporate our liquid to create our beloved vapor. They do not electrify it. So I am not convinced that adding salt would be harmful at all. These are 2 entirely different chemical reactions to two very different elements introduced. One is electricity and one is heat. We did a similar experiment in high school that turned our pennies different colors by adding electricity. You could not do the same with pennies and heated up water. So very different.

 

[mariahpoo]

we don't electrify our juice... so this will not happen.

 

[purelyscientific]

yeah^^ but if you put an exposed electrified wire through salt water that's different than heating it. kwim?

 

[mariahpoo]

yeah^^ but if you put an exposed electrified wire through salt water that's different than heating it. kwim?

Think of it like this... Ever spill chicken broth on an electric stove>? That is just a giant heating element heated with electricity too. I don't think that is just simple salt and water landing on an electric stove would create this electrified reaction any more then our atomizer would. Could you hook something to your stove and power it? No. Because the electricity being sent to the heating element is used up by heating the element. Or vaping would be WAY more dangerous. Adding electricity to different liquid could cause an explosion. So this is not the case.

Right?

 

[purelyscientific]

Uhhh, no I've never done that. I own a gas stove lol...But I see what your getting at.
I disagree though...On a stove the heating element isn't electrified and won't electrocute you like the coil in an e-cig will(Or at least, I think it will)
I think that for the saltwater to break down and form chlorine gas it needs to come into contact with the current/electrified wire. in the case of an electric stove the current is not exposed. In an e-cig it is. I think...

I'm just speculating...

 

[purelyscientific]

BTW I just did a couple google searches...
All I found out is that saltwater and electricity form chlorine gas and caustic soda, aka lye.
Chlorine gas will turn into hydrochloric acid if it comes into contact with water(like in your lungs) and lye will eat away at your skin and form soap.

This is dangerous territory. *bites nails*

Anyone with a rebuildable mind licking it to see if it shocks like a 9volt? lol
(Im half kidding)

 

[ajventi]

The heating elements on an electric stove are insulated, otherwise putting a metal pan on your stovetop would short out the coil, and trip your circuit breaker.

Saltwater conducts electricity. I have no idea about how much resistance it has, but placing your atomizer in a salt solution will create a parallel resistor with your coil basically is like running unbalanced dual coils. Some electricity will be conducted by the salt containing liquid.

If your coil pops then all the electricity will be conducted through the salt solution.

To be honest you're dealing with a tiny bit of chlorine that would be produced, but know that there is a potential hazard. I also doubt that you're going to get the desired effect. If I inhale the mist from near the ocean it doesn't taste salty at all to me.

 

[mariahpoo]

Uhhh, no I've never done that. I own a gas stove lol...But I see what your getting at.
I disagree though...On a stove the heating element isn't electrified and won't electrocute you like the coil in an e-cig will(Or at least, I think it will)
I think that for the saltwater to break down and form chlorine gas it needs to come into contact with the current/electrified wire. in the case of an electric stove the current is not exposed. In an e-cig it is. I think...

I'm just speculating...

Now I am interested... because from what I understand it is exactly the same as the stove. Electricity meats heating element, element heats up. Beyond that I never knew ether to be electrified... or having current running through them. it was my understanding that the electricity is what causes the element to heat in other words... I think we would be in a load of danger if it wasn't so right? I mean... I don't have a phd in anything let alone electricity (ie I am no electrician). But I thought I had a basic grasp on the sciences behind it.

Is there anyone that can give us a definitive ruling on these principles? I would really like to know. I don't want to go killing myself...

 

[mariahpoo]

The heating elements on an electric stove are insulated, otherwise putting a metal pan on your stovetop would short out the coil, and trip your circuit breaker.

Saltwater conducts electricity. I have no idea about how much resistance it has, but placing your atomizer in a salt solution will create a parallel resistor with your coil basically is like running unbalanced dual coils. Some electricity will be conducted by the salt containing liquid.

If your coil pops then all the electricity will be conducted through the salt solution.

To be honest you're dealing with a tiny bit of chlorine that would be produced, but know that there is a potential hazard. I also doubt that you're going to get the desired effect. If I inhale the mist from near the ocean it doesn't taste salty at all to me.

AH... okay. That made it a bit more clear to me.

Altho I have to say my nebulizer and ocean air does taste salty... at least too me it does.

 

[mariahpoo]

Now what I really need to know is will the pg/vg stop this effect from happening? IE... anyone try adding salt to pg or vg and try the battery thing? It's worth a shot.

 

[mariahpoo]

And or is there any way to insulate our atomizers the way that stoves are?

 

[mariahpoo]

As you can tell I am dead set to fins a safe way to get a salt flavor into my juice.

 

[purelyscientific]

Originally posted by bonniegirl-

I have use preservative free NaCl in my DIY for 3 years with out problems. I mix like I cook. When you bake, a salt lifts the chocolates, vanillas and adds depth. NaCl does the same. I have 510,901 and 801 attys that are older than a year and I use tanks with Boge and DC cartos without a problem. When a mix seems perfect except it seems to be "just missing something" it is the salt. My experience has been the opposite of your assumptions about NaCl. This can be purchased at any medical supply or pharmacy and I use generally a dropper 5mls for bakery/sweets and higher for choc coveed petzels or other salt needed mixes. Pie crust is not pie crust without salt IMHO.

ETA: NaCl is in every respiratory treatment and Ihave never seen residue on the nebulizer tubing or the ventimasks either.That seems to give an answer about whether it is safe for inhalation.

Altho I have to say my nebulizer and ocean air does taste salty... at least too me it does.

I agree.

Hmmm..propylene glycol salt solution may be different than salt water. Its thicker so perhaps it doesn't conduct electricity as well.

 

[Swamee73]

I put salt in all my culinary recipes. Even cookies and cakes taste *off without salt. I think this is a good idea, as far as flavor enhancer I mean. Melting your lungs doesnt sound good, but I honestly think you have a better chance of winning the lottery WHILE getting struck with lightning 2 times in a row than making chlorine gas or acid or a black hole for that matter. I started DIY about a week ago and this might be just what I was missing!

 

[JazzyTech]

Salt? Putting your tongue on PV leads?

(All jokes aside, don't try putting your tongue on your PV's leads.)

 

[mariahpoo]

I put salt in all my culinary recipes. Even cookies and cakes taste *off without salt. I think this is a good idea, as far as flavor enhancer I mean. Melting your lungs doesnt sound good, but I honestly think you have a better chance of winning the lottery WHILE getting struck with lightning 2 times in a row than making chlorine gas or acid or a black hole for that matter. I started DIY about a week ago and this might be just what I was missing!

Those were my thoughts too. But I don't want to be wrong. you know...

 

[mariahpoo]

Originally posted by bonniegirl-


I agree.

Hmmm..propylene glycol salt solution may be different than salt water. Its thicker so perhaps it doesn't conduct electricity as well.

Well when I get my stuff I will be trying it. The battery test that is. Better to be safe then sorry. I will let everyone know of my findings of course.

 

[purelyscientific]

(All jokes aside, don't try putting your tongue on your PV's leads.)

If you've ever licked a 9v battery to test and see if its still good then you know its not so bad.

Hypothetically, if you set your PV to 9 or less volts it shouldn't be more shocking that a regular 9v battery.

I'm not a professional battery licker or nothing so if you decide to go around lickin' batteries don't come after me if you hurt your tongue!

 

[ajventi]

I saw a video from a Russian guy (linked soemwhere from ECF) who shows how to make an insulated coil. He basically oxidized a hypodermic needle (same as a ss mesh is oxidized) then ran the heating wire inside the needle and coiled it. It would never fit in anything but a custom made atty.

.... I really don't want to provide any encouragement, and I'm going to say I personally don't ever plan on salting my vape. But you'd be talking about very dilute NaOH, and a very low amount of Chlorine. NaOH is one of the most caustic chemicals going, it dissolved bodies, it even reacts with glass. But basically it's like the nicotine liquid we vape. Strong nicotine is nothing to play with, but getting some of your vape juice on your fingers is not a big deal, you wash your hands and you're fine.

 

[mariahpoo]

I saw a video from a Russian guy (linked soemwhere from ECF) who shows how to make an insulated coil. He basically oxidized a hypodermic needle (same as a ss mesh is oxidized) then ran the heating wire inside the needle and coiled it. It would never fit in anything but a custom made atty.

.... I really don't want to provide any encouragement, and I'm going to say I personally don't ever plan on salting my vape. But you'd be talking about very dilute NaOH, and a very low amount of Chlorine. NaOH is one of the most caustic chemicals going, it dissolved bodies, it even reacts with glass. But basically it's like the nicotine liquid we vape. Strong nicotine is nothing to play with, but getting some of your vape juice on your fingers is not a big deal, you wash your hands and you're fine.

Well that is why I will be running tests first. I will never vape something I know could be unsafe in any amount. If the pg and or vg is not a good conduct then I will be onto trying to add small amount and vaping. From the looks of it other people have salted vapes... and they haven't died or complained of lung problems. So I am leaning toward the fact that pg and vg does not conduct like salt and water would. Still always safety first.