It certainly can be. But as has already been noted.. it would be virtually impossible to get that type of reaction off of "one puff" of any e-liquid. Including 96mg.....
Scary experience with non-v4l juice
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It certainly can be. But as has already been noted.. it would be virtually impossible to get that type of reaction off of "one puff" of any e-liquid. Including 96mg.....
OK so maybe it was 2 or 3 puffs, Scottbee. Certainly NO MORE than that. Am I gonna get the last word?
No, because its still relatively silly. Its far more likely you had an adverse reaction to a flavoring.
Did you test the nic, or are you just assuming its too high? Are you sure what you're getting from V4L is exact, or could it actually be a little lower?
It seems to me that if a vendor sold something to a customer and they have an adverse reaction, the burden of proof would be on that vendor to prove that their quality control is up to par and to produce a paper trail that proves just that, not for the customer to have the liquid lab tested. After all, a vendor is supposed to be the one making sure their product is safe for consumption, not the customers. Buyer beware of course comes into play, but on something you put in your body, it's a little bit late for the customer to test it once it arrives in a supposedly ready to use form.
The vendor is making their money based on a ready to use, supposedly quality controlled product, at least it is presented to the customer that way, or they wouldn't buy it.
Any vendor that cares about their business would be more than alarmed to hear something like this happened with their juice and should be more than cooperative with their customer's concerns, especially if more than one person experiences something like this and they know about it.
The vendor is making their money based on a ready to use, supposedly quality controlled product, at least it is presented to the customer that way, or they wouldn't buy it.
Any vendor that cares about their business would be more than alarmed to hear something like this happened with their juice and should be more than cooperative with their customer's concerns, especially if more than one person experiences something like this and they know about it.
And any customer is going to take these kinds of comments for what they are.
"omg not v4l omg bad!"
Sorry, but thats just silly.
"I tried xxxx, and I had a bad reaction - I think it was the nicotine" would be appropriate. Thats not what this entire thread has been.
But that's not what is being discussed. What is being discussed is the (possibility) of going on a public forum and saying "Vendor X sent me liquid with a higher nicotine content than what was listed on the label.". If somebody is considering that, they best have some facts and be ready to back them up. Not just a "hunch"....
We fill our own. We imported a team of crack cartomizer-fillers direct from China. Steve had to adopt them to get them past immigration. They're living in Steve's garage.
Just kidding. Labor is only that cheap in China, so yeah, we get them pre-filled from the factory.
Then rather than posting it on the forum right now, perhaps they should go to the vendor (the ones who had the reaction) and see how they handle it first. If they get nothing but the runaround from them, then I'd post and ask if others had that problem with that vendor's juice.
There is more to the original poster's complaint than what you are taking from it. It seems you're more concerned about the original poster's loyalty to v4l than what actually happened to him with this other vendor's product. And the op did post in a subforum, which happens to belong to v4l, so it's not taboo for loyalty to this particular vendor to the be norm in here, thus probably the reason the op felt comfortable in constructing the post that way.
There is more to the original poster's complaint than what you are taking from it. It seems you're more concerned about the original poster's loyalty to v4l than what actually happened to him with this other vendor's product. And the op did post in a subforum, which happens to belong to v4l, so it's not taboo for loyalty to this particular vendor to the be norm in here, thus probably the reason the op felt comfortable in constructing the post that way.
Yeah I know what you mean pugzley Alot of people ARE like that. I try not to be and all I was saying is the OP needs to be choosy with her words Thats all.
you are a very level headed person.
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And any customer is going to take these kinds of comments for what they are.
"omg not v4l omg bad!"
Sorry, but thats just silly.
"I tried xxxx, and I had a bad reaction - I think it was the nicotine" would be appropriate. Thats not what this entire thread has been.
No doubt kinda reads like a big commericial for V4L. I have never had a bad reaction to any vendors juice that I have tried however all the vendors I have used except one I have found here. Two of the vendors had pretty much the same product but at very different prices. The other two were different tasting. I will say this all of the vendors I have used from this forum have been great and I do think it pays to shop around.
I am sorry that I gave you that experience: but I guess "negetive" posts tend to stand out.... I am sure if you have been following ECF a bit I do put out helpful information and try to INFORM to the best of my ability helping newbies with their ECIG questions... I feel I have contributed POSITIVELY to the ECF forum more so then "demands" for facts
BUT THANK the lucky stars that there are many members here on ECF that there would be people here you do enjoy reading so you will still get informed.
So no hard feelings I am not here just for you...
Oh and I would like to think I had a part in getting a cartomizer specific sub-forum
ONE more thing pugz I will help you with your problem with me..... since your response was to get a reaction
if you go to USER CP you may put me on the ignore list by doing so my posts will never cross your EYES when here on ECF
Even my cute happy rainbow ones
Hopefully this helped
ONE more thing pugz I will help you with your problem with me..... since your response was to get a reaction
if you go to USER CP you may put me on the ignore list by doing so my posts will never cross your EYES when here on ECF
Even my cute happy rainbow ones
Hopefully this helped
Oh and I would like to think I had a part in getting a cartomizer specific sub-forum
ONE more thing pugz I will help you with your problem with me..... since your response was to get a reaction
if you go to USER CP you may put me on the ignore list by doing so my posts will never cross your EYES when here on ECF
Even my cute happy rainbow ones
Hopefully this helped
I thought you said you were "out". You made your point....are you finished now...lol. But actually I do agree with your first post in this thread. I know there are other reliable vendors and I have tried one for juice and another for carto's. I wasn't overjoyed with either and eventually will venture into making my own juice.
I will tell you I am a V4L fanboy, just as I know there are fanboys and fangirls of other vendors the same holds true here. I have other reasons for supporting V4L...I know money spent with them is being used to make great improvements in the hardware as well as the juices. But that isn't what this thread is about.
The OP made an error with the way they posted IMO. No one is perfect including you and I...so let's leave it alone and move on.
A few puffs making the heart race cannot be a nicotine overdose. The highest vendor sold flavoured juice is still 36mg (I believe) so even with an order mix up a few puffs wouldn't even get you in the ballgame. If you gave the name of the vendor it would be possible to check if they are mixing their own juice with higher levels of nicotine.
Other than that, it sounds like either an allergic reaction or a guilty response to vaping another man's juice
Other than that, it sounds like either an allergic reaction or a guilty response to vaping another man's juice
Hehe I was "out" but people keep on quoting and/or mentioning me
but I am OUT startttiiiiinnnng NOW.
A few puffs making the heart race cannot be a nicotine overdose. The highest vendor sold flavoured juice is still 36mg (I believe) so even with an order mix up a few puffs wouldn't even get you in the ballgame. If you gave the name of the vendor it would be possible to check if they are mixing their own juice with higher levels of nicotine.
Other than that, it sounds like either an allergic reaction or a guilty response to vaping another man's juice
Nuck, your logic is not welcomed here! I mean, just because it couldn't possibly be the reason given doesn't mean you need to point that fact out....
Those of you who think this thread is a commercial for V4L should change the channel.
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