School Bus Driver Investigated for Vaping On Bus
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I live in Arkansas and know the laws of my state. I'm not going to research the other states, but Wikipedia is not the place to be doing *legal research*.
Both 2013 Arkansas Code and 2015 Arkansas Code prohibit the use of ecigarettes on school grounds, including school buses.
ARK. CODE ANN. § 6-21-609 (2013) and ARK CODE § 6-21-609
Also Ark. Code Ann. § 26-57-254(b) and Ark Code Ann. § 6-21-609(b) (2016)
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Not exactly sure what State the Edmonds School District is in? But I believe it is Washington State.
And I'm Not sure what County in Washington State this occurred in? But I believe it was Snohomish County.
And I'm not sure if Wiki is Up to Date? But it says that Snohomish County...
"Snohomish county , banned 25 feet from public places and enclosed areas and outdoor venues. Only tribal businesses on reservation land and permitted vape product retail shops are exempted per section 14.7 of Health District Sanitary Code 13.2 and 14.6."
List of vaping bans in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So I wonder if a School Bus is considered an "Enclosed Area"?
Or if a School Bus is considered a "Public Place"?
County Health District adopts ban on vaping in public places - HeraldNet.com
Of course, None of this is Meaningful if the Edmonds School District isn't in Snohomish County, Washington State. So someone should probably Double Check it.
And I'm Not sure what County in Washington State this occurred in? But I believe it was Snohomish County.
And I'm not sure if Wiki is Up to Date? But it says that Snohomish County...
"Snohomish county , banned 25 feet from public places and enclosed areas and outdoor venues. Only tribal businesses on reservation land and permitted vape product retail shops are exempted per section 14.7 of Health District Sanitary Code 13.2 and 14.6."
List of vaping bans in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So I wonder if a School Bus is considered an "Enclosed Area"?
Or if a School Bus is considered a "Public Place"?
County Health District adopts ban on vaping in public places - HeraldNet.com
Of course, None of this is Meaningful if the Edmonds School District isn't in Snohomish County, Washington State. So someone should probably Double Check it.
Some districts are so poorly funded that they find themselves in situations like the above. The pay is awful in those districts and the driver turn over is very fast and so is the dispatch and mechanic and aid turn over. It's a bad situation. The buses are old and in some cases on their last leg. It doesn't make much sense really when it's these drivers who are getting these kids to school for the very parents who did their time who now hold the professional positions that pay so much better but the drivers are getting hammered for being losers. Why is that? If school bus drivers disappeared the white collar workers would be in one hell of a pickle, you can't get your kids to school when your supposed to be at work. Pay for these drivers/dispatchers/mechanics would then go up to where it should be in the first place and then districts could then afford to hire people who actually care about being a school bus driver/mechanic/aid for special needs.
I'm lucky that I live in a district that doesn't suffer like this. The pay is excellent for a part time job, way above minimum wage by quite a bit. $22/HR to be exact. I have a brand new bus with multiple camera's on board that allow the transportation director to review anything that occurs on the bus whenever he needs to, no need for investigations. I'm also lucky that I have a job I truly enjoy but if I lived and worked in a district like the one in the article, where funding is almost absent I wouldn't touch that job with a ten foot pole and I'd blame the very people with the resources to make it better for not making it better. A crappy work environment will attract workers with crappy attitudes who don't give twoabout school policies for tobacco products. These are *your* kids riding these buses.
I am sorry if you think I implied that bus drivers and/or blue collar workers are losers, as that is not what my post said.
Over the years of reading on internet forums, the people who post w/ (false) bravado saying they will not abide the regs and laws of their workplace appear to be those who have jobs they feel are "throwaways"....
....my point was that in reality, since most people rely on good jobs to pay mortgage and keep a roof over their children's head, I've never met anyone in real life, who throws a good job away over a "habit", (and I did include 'especially if it took them 4-8 years of education' on top of just being able to secure a good steady job with a good steady salary.)
These chest-beating posts that I read on internet forums, where workers are telling us "how it is" and "what they will and won't put up with" doesn't actually match what is going on out there in reality. Unless, like I said, they have an unskilled job and can just go find another one a week later ---- or they live in mom's basement and have no economic pressures.
Unless you are in a highly valued position where headhunters can find you 20 companies who desperately want your skillset, or, you have a job that is a throwaway, what I was saying is that few, if any, people are openly defying the rules of their company when it means they won't be able to pay their mortgage if they lose their job.
That is reality.
I like to keep in mind that, when on a hobby board, whether it be vaping or horse racing, where like-minded people come together to discuss things, belies that off the internet, in real practice, things are not the same. This is true of all hobby and special interest boards, not just vaping. For instance, while on hobby boards, it appears that nobody uses, or should be using, vape pens to quit smoking.......yet, while out in the real world, I *rarely* encounter people with big mods out vaping in public, unless in a vape B&M, or maybe in a very large urban city.
I've been to college football games, 4 casinos in 4 different states, other major sporting and social events, restaurants and bars........Maybe 1 in 100 people (that I have seen) are vaping on anything larger than a vape pen or at most, an istick-mini type device. Blu's and Njoy's are still flying off the shelves in most of the smoke shops and enjoy rather brisk sales.
On most hobby boards, when you are in that community, surrounded by others who think similarly, it's easy to believe that your * common interest* is more wide-spread and/or important to the mainstream than it actually is. Hence some of the posts I see where a political candidate is going to stake a major portion of their candidacy on vaping issues.
I'm sorry, but there just aren't enough numbers to support a candidate doing that.
I'm also not going to research other states but you're comment was along the lines of 'you don't know any....' So we'll agree that you don't know any, not that there isn't any.
Brickerville Elementary School to Allow Vaping in Classrooms - People of Lancaster
I believe most school buses are considered, by extension, to be "school property".
I believe this law has already passed, per sponsor Sen. Bruce Dammeier, R-Puyallup, Senate Bill 6328 but I didn't look it up but this was status as of April 2016:
New state rules to govern vape shops and electronic cigarettes
Scroll to bottom, says vaping would be banned "on school property and w/in 500 feet of school property".
The publisher of the site you quoted indicated that this is satire. He took a lot of heat for it in the meantime. I guess you didn't read the comments under the article you posted, nor the followup. Nor, did you read anything about the publication.
"People of Lancaster is a mix of news, opinion, and satire about the people, places and interests of Lancaster County, PA. Much of the content on this site is satire inspired by real people or events that we love to coat with a heavy layer of snark and sarcasm."
You can certainly call Brikerville Elementary School in PA.
Again, this qualifies as "I read it on the internet so it must be true."
I've had enough of your bad research for today, Kent, so this will be my last post addressing it.
About - People of Lancaster
Even funnier is that they received hate mail from other people who thought it was real. i.e. *other people* appear to take themselves too seriously exist on both sides I guess.
Hence, I can kinda see why this publisher, and the Onion, is so funny. Letters to the Editor/Hate Mail - Darth Vapor - People of Lancaster
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The publisher of the site you quoted indicated that this is satire. He took a lot of heat for it in the meantime. I guess you didn't read the comments under the article you posted, nor the followup. Nor, did you read anything about the publication.
"People of Lancaster is a mix of news, opinion, and satire about the people, places and interests of Lancaster County, PA. Much of the content on this site is satire inspired by real people or events that we love to coat with a heavy layer of snark and sarcasm."
You can certainly call Brikerville Elementary School in PA.
Again, this qualifies as "I read it on the internet so it must be true."
I've had enough of your bad research for today, so this will be my last post addressing it.
Letters to the Editor/Hate Mail - Darth Vapor - People of Lancaster
What? Are you say'n that there Might be Things on the Internet that are Not True?
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Lol... ok. I'll still go with my previous comment - So we'll agree that you don't know any, not that there isn't any. And while I tend to agree that wiki isn't always a good source (although sometimes a good start) the notes to each of the above states I (and zoidman) listed, is sourced here as of April 2016.
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That is perhaps your reality, mine is quite different.
I say that having been both employer and employee.
Maybe not exactly quite on topic but i would like to add mt 2 cents
when it comes to the occupation of bus driving.
Here in Minnesota you have to have an endorsement on your license to
operate a bus. It's not all that difficult to obtain.
Having gotten that far now there is a choice of whom you work for. Working
for one of the large inter state companies or the MTC (metropolitan transit commission),or some of the more well known coach companies is not bad employment. Pay is not bad. Most if not all
have health and retirement benefits. All have good training and screen for drugs and
alcohol.
Then there are school bus drivers. Lower payed compared to their counterparts,no benefits.
Theoretically they are also screened for drugs and alcohol, at least in recent times. Working
a couple of hours in the morning,then a couple of hours n the afternoon. Nice work if you can
get it? Hardly. Traditionally these types of hours attract those that can't work a forty hour
week or don't need all that much money being retired or semi retired. So you wind up with
a mix of seasoned experienced workers and a mixed lot of everything else. People who
are physically incapable of doing a lot of more physical kind of work and those that are
for whatever reason mentally incapable of holding down a more traditional 40 hour a week job.
So it does not surprise me issues like this story pop up. We have had our problems here.
children left on the bus and discovered at the bus garage.children dropped off at the wrong
spot or not picked up. Drivers being under the influence of everything one could be
under the influence of. Not a single smoking incidence I can recall though.
The only reason I mention this is because I know from first hand knowledge that
a lot of these people do have issues. I am in no way excusing any behavior but, I
will not condemn some types of behavior out of hand as just being dumb or stupid.
I am not that smart. There is intolerable behavior,then there's bad decisions.
when policy is devoid of reason I just might take the side of the bus driver in this case
for GP.
Regards
Mike
when it comes to the occupation of bus driving.
Here in Minnesota you have to have an endorsement on your license to
operate a bus. It's not all that difficult to obtain.
Having gotten that far now there is a choice of whom you work for. Working
for one of the large inter state companies or the MTC (metropolitan transit commission),or some of the more well known coach companies is not bad employment. Pay is not bad. Most if not all
have health and retirement benefits. All have good training and screen for drugs and
alcohol.
Then there are school bus drivers. Lower payed compared to their counterparts,no benefits.
Theoretically they are also screened for drugs and alcohol, at least in recent times. Working
a couple of hours in the morning,then a couple of hours n the afternoon. Nice work if you can
get it? Hardly. Traditionally these types of hours attract those that can't work a forty hour
week or don't need all that much money being retired or semi retired. So you wind up with
a mix of seasoned experienced workers and a mixed lot of everything else. People who
are physically incapable of doing a lot of more physical kind of work and those that are
for whatever reason mentally incapable of holding down a more traditional 40 hour a week job.
So it does not surprise me issues like this story pop up. We have had our problems here.
children left on the bus and discovered at the bus garage.children dropped off at the wrong
spot or not picked up. Drivers being under the influence of everything one could be
under the influence of. Not a single smoking incidence I can recall though.
The only reason I mention this is because I know from first hand knowledge that
a lot of these people do have issues. I am in no way excusing any behavior but, I
will not condemn some types of behavior out of hand as just being dumb or stupid.
I am not that smart. There is intolerable behavior,then there's bad decisions.
when policy is devoid of reason I just might take the side of the bus driver in this case
for GP.
Regards
Mike
Skoony- in my particular district probably 80% of the school bus drivers are moms who have children that currently attend our schools or did in the past. Some of these drivers now bus their grandkids to school. The rest of the drivers are local male retirees who drive a couple hours in the AM then again in the PM with rounds of golf in between and most of them have grandkids in this school district.
I am a local mom who had no experience but had three kids in the school system. There was one route open when I applied and I beat out a retired male applicant from another district, the only other applicant, who's previous job was with the state CDL testing site. He was the guy passing or failing new CDL drivers and he'd had his class A CDL for years. This district is very choosy with whom they'll hire and their penchant for hiring moms seems to be a very successful formula. We have extremely low turn over here and drivers who are personally invested in the well being of these kids.
I advocate for vaping whenever possible but not in this instance. It was extremely selfish of this driver to "speak" for vapers in this manner when the best weapon the anti's have is the "for the children" tactic. This driver played right into their hands, doesn't matter that we all know it's baloney.
I am a local mom who had no experience but had three kids in the school system. There was one route open when I applied and I beat out a retired male applicant from another district, the only other applicant, who's previous job was with the state CDL testing site. He was the guy passing or failing new CDL drivers and he'd had his class A CDL for years. This district is very choosy with whom they'll hire and their penchant for hiring moms seems to be a very successful formula. We have extremely low turn over here and drivers who are personally invested in the well being of these kids.
I advocate for vaping whenever possible but not in this instance. It was extremely selfish of this driver to "speak" for vapers in this manner when the best weapon the anti's have is the "for the children" tactic. This driver played right into their hands, doesn't matter that we all know it's baloney.
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There is intolerable behavior,then there's bad decisions. when policy is devoid of reason I just might take the side of the bus driver in this case
for GP.
Exactly. Why is it the same people who seem to look for excuses for banning vaping in some manner or another?? And yet when questioned say "Oh, I'm not for banning ALL vaping' - just for the idiots and the cloud chasers who give "us" a bad name...
My original comment was this: "Chances are the “no tobacco policy” didn't include ecigs.... but it will now."
Racehorse felt the need to add, she didn't know of any where it wasn't the case. My comment was based on the fact that many have changed their smoking policies to include ecigarettes. And that there are some (as noted) that haven't. There are many stories of kids vaping in school, that then raise the question in the school and policies change. D'uh....
I still think the story is made up. It doesn't ring true.
Where are all the other kids? Cupcake factory? Baloney.
Regards
Mike
I still think the story is made up. It doesn't ring true.
Where are all the other kids? Cupcake factory? Baloney.
Regards
Mike
Mike, you've got to admit that the aroma of cupcakes would be a shock to the system right after walking through a plume of bus exhaust fumes.
Came across this article.
Sometimes I wonder if these are the people who make us look bad. Please use common sense when vaping. If you can't smoke on a bus, why would you think you can vape on a bus.
Sometimes I wonder if these are the people who make us look bad. Please use common sense when vaping. If you can't smoke on a bus, why would you think you can vape on a bus.
It was taking far far too long to get on that site. Perhaps the employer has other issues with the driver. Then again, tobacco taxes are often earmarked for education to help insure strong support for the tax. A good employee in that situation would smoke instead to protect tobacco taxes.
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