Scientist and a reprobate mind.

[mightymen]

Science has brought us to a point in time where man kind has to admit the universe was created by design by God or come up with a way to deny the proof. Some scientist have accept the truth of God and others continue to reject God.

Scripture say's Romans 1:18-32

verse 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Here's a link to the rest of the verses read on ROMANS CHAPTER 1

I've thought on this verse below where it says reprobate mind translated into debased mind. imo: this is a curse and a sign of the times that will increase as we go on. The argument of there being multiverse's will be heard more and more to form a new false religion of the world that support humanistic thoughts and ideas, where seeing the foundation being laid but it's not completed yet, soon.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

II Thessalonians 2:9-12
The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Possible explanations for fine-tuning
These apparent coincidences have led cosmologists to think hard about how this situation may have arisen. Eminent cosmologist Martin Rees lists four possible options - (a) coincidence, (b) providence, (c) an underlying theory of everything, or (d) an ensemble of universes (the multiverse). Let's look at these a little more: Was the universe designed for us?

There's no proof of the multiverse it's a hypothesis an idea or thought or possibility nothing more. IMO: It allows justification to rejected God when God gives proof of His design showing mankind His the Beginning and End and is Eternal.

I find the multiverse hypothesis amazing. It requires us to believe that not just one universe came into existence for no reason, but that a universe generator capable of producing an enormous number of universes or domains appeared for no reason. It seems to magnify the problem of finding an explanation, not reduce it.
And yet, it may nevertheless be true. I find many aspects of quantum physics to be incredible, yet the scientists assure us they have been shown to be true. So perhaps we do inhabit one of zillions of universes or domains. But this hardly changes the difficulty of explaining the facts. Because, if we live in a multiverse, how can we explain that the process that generates all these separate universes manages to make each one with different sets of physical laws and constants (something required if the multiverse hypothesis is to explain the amazing fine-tuning)? Was the universe designed for us?

 

[Norrin]

What proof? God was made up by caveman who was frightened by the unknown world around him and needed a crutch, little has changed. Because we can't explain fully how the universe started there must be a god? No that's just faulty logic, you need to prove the existence of god by a positive, this is here so god must exist. Not a negative, we don't know what happened in the first fraction of a second of the universe so therefore god exists. I watched the vids from your other thread and was going to comment, but it's the same old same old, you want to believe so you twist the facts to fit into your beliefs. Unfortunately there is no way to disprove god or the flying spaghetti monster and if you get something out of your beliefs thats good, but saying that because we don't know enough proves god is just being naive.

 

[mightymen]

What proof? God was made up by caveman who was frightened by the unknown world around him and needed a crutch, little has changed. Because we can't explain fully how the universe started there must be a god? No that's just faulty logic, you need to prove the existence of god by a positive, this is here so god must exist. Not a negative, we don't know what happened in the first fraction of a second of the universe so therefore god exists. I watched the vids from your other thread and was going to comment, but it's the same old same old, you want to believe so you twist the facts to fit into your beliefs. Unfortunately there is no way to disprove god or the flying spaghetti monster and if you get something out of your beliefs thats good, but saying that because we don't know enough proves god is just being naive.

The thread was started with notion to share scripture with others with like minds not for the purpose of calling anyone out who believes different then scripture says.

But if the mod has no objections, I'll reply to your posts and continue to do so.

Bringing cave men up is deflector argument. No proof is required for a God, He either exists or doesn't. What I claim is the universe was created by design thereby proving God "The Creator of All Things" exists. Any claim of what happened before the big bang can't be supported with solid empirical evidence.

To talk on the how did the universe start we know where it started at the big bang from that point everything is by chance or design. To continuing the denial of design the multiverse hypothesis was created without any solid empirical evidence. I think we can agree on one thing Big Bang breakthrough announced; gravitational waves detected Big Bang breakthrough announced; gravitational waves detected - CNN.com

If you have any solid empirical evidence to support any hypothesis beyond this point, I'll like to hear it. Otherwise my claim of universe created by design stands.

Thanks for your thoughts, I enjoy hearing from other view points.

Edited in.

The only thing that's missing is what happened during this time.

If the discovery holds up to scrutiny, it's evidence of how the universe rapidly expanded less than a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang. http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/17/tech/innovation/big-bang-gravitational-waves/index.html

I believe the video I post on the 1st post answers the question of design that took place during this trillionth of a second after the Big Bang.

 

[lm7nyne]

In science not only do things need to be proven but there must also be a way to disprove them. Even if there is no physical or scientific proof of God, there is also no way to prove that God does not exist. Though the same can be said for the multiverse. A majority of what I see on the subject of science and religion is basically "we figured out how something works so God doesn't exist". That is a foolish way to look at something and it seems the scientific community would be smart enough to understand that, as a whole. But in the end I have my faith and that is all that really matters to me on the subject.

 

[mightymen]

There's no solid empirical evidence to support multiple universes, it's a hypothesis, idea, thought and a bad idea.

 

[Norrin]

Since there is no experiment that you can do you fail before you even get to the important part of doing an experiment
Want to tell me what experiment you could do to support your theory?
Science might not be able to disprove god, but god can't be proven by science either.
It means that for god (any of the numerous gods there are) you can either believe or not. Can I understand why people believe in such a thing? No, it's like believing in Santa you grow out of it as you learn how thing really work.

 

[mightymen]

I'll repeat this again.

Science has brought us to a point in time where man kind has to admit the universe was created by design by God or come up with a way to deny the proof. Some scientist have accept the truth of God and others continue to reject God.

God, He either exists or doesn't. What I claim is the universe was created by design thereby proving God "The Creator of All Things" exists. Any claim of what happened before the big bang can't be supported with solid empirical evidence.

The intention of this thread is to make a statement that there's no proof of multiple universes, logic forces design on us. If there was such a thing as multiple universes being possible, the question further illustrates it's self to accept by design.

In contrast, critics such as Jim Baggott,[18] David Gross,[19] Paul Steinhardt,[20] George Ellis[21][22] and Paul Davies have argued that the multiverse question is philosophical rather than scientific, that the multiverse cannot be a scientific question because it lacks falsifiability, or even that the multiverse hypothesis is harmful or pseudoscientific. Multiverse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[mightymen]

As the OP, I suggest all new comers read 4th sticky down PLEASE.

 

[Saintscruiser]

As the OP, I suggest all new comers read 4th sticky down PLEASE.

WTG, MM! 4th Sticky down! Thus far, I haven't really seen any disrespect, but we're not going to engage in debate, are we? We can discuss like adults. But, imagine my brain reading this first thing this morning and I'm going, "Say what?"

I'm sorry, but there is too much co-existence (balance of nature) to believe otherwise. I personally believe that Almighty God spoke the world into 'being,' just like Scripture states. I am not going to defend or debate it. I am no scientist. I'm just a God fearing person who knows what they stand on as truth. There are too many questions unanswered about how things got put into being. My ancestors didn't walk up out of the water. It is more difficult for me to believe Darwin than it is creationism. There are too many scientific questions I have on how 'specifics' work. It just doesn't make any sense to me. But, that's just me.

 

[lm7nyne]

I'll repeat this again.
The intention of this thread is to make a statement that there's no proof of multiple universes, logic forces design on us. If there was such a thing as multiple universes being possible, the question further illustrates it's self to accept by design.

There is no proof either way, yet. String theory is one way that some scientists are trying find out one way or another. Personally, I have no problem if the multiverse was real. We are just humans with nowhere near the needed mental capacity to understand our creator's full vision for us or the universe.

 

[jdm1982]

I believe theres extraterrestrials. samething i guess.

 

[mightymen]

There is no proof either way, yet. String theory is one way that some scientists are trying find out one way or another. Personally, I have no problem if the multiverse was real. We are just humans with nowhere near the needed mental capacity to understand our creator's full vision for us or the universe.

99.9% I agree with your post and like how you presented your thoughts.

We're never have any physical proof either way agreed, science will always have another question to search for another answer to get, believers will never have physical proof, all are questions are focus on the spiritual world and all answers come from God who's a Spirit the Creator of Everything, IMO, I see this written in Genesis 3:22 -: I see the universe being put together by God for the one single purpose of God bringing us to Him, we would have knowledge of GOOD and EVIL and would have already eat of the tree of life and live for ever and never be separated from God again. Though in the Spiritual world when where 100% in the presents of God all the question we would ever have would have been answered in the knowledge of knowing God.

This gift of science that God gave man is awesome and reveals so much of God in this physical world. When I think on science I say to myself God was kind to humanity and reveals a small part of Himself within science to all of us. I say the same things to myself on God when I look at the spiritual world and see God and when I think on Salvation and God's and Him revealing Himself to us and His ability to forgive us and teach us His ways is even more awesome then science or where science can bring us.

As I posted before on multiverse, if it was true then it would need a multiverse generator which I'll call God in my mind it's not possible to have any laws of any kind holding anything together without God binding/holding them together here or anyplace anywhere including the multiverse theory.

 

[mightymen]

I believe theres extraterrestrials. samething i guess.

Thanks for your post jdm1982, two ways to look at this, from a point of view of humanity and that's all there is, spiritual way of knowing God.


According to the definition below I'll answer YES from a spiritual view point.

I know there's a God and He created the satan and the angels also there are falling angels known as demons that can be defined as extraterrestrials as far as other life in our universe that have physical form like us. I have no idea, would it surprise me NO because God is able. From a point of view of humanity and that's all there is, I'll leave that up to science to find that answer until then who possible can know.

Full Definition of EXTRATERRESTRIAL

: originating, existing, or occurring outside the earth or its atmosphere <extraterrestrial life>
Extraterrestrial - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

 

[mightymen]

Would finding out there's multiverse surprise me - NO - what I'm saying there's no scientific solid empirical evidence to support it for now, all logic points to design and will continue to do so.

The only thing that surprised me was that it took so many years for me to see God when He was all around me all along, now nothing surprises me anymore. Because I realize all things are possible with God, His able.

 

[Saintscruiser]

There is no proof either way, yet. String theory is one way that some scientists are trying find out one way or another. Personally, I have no problem if the multiverse was real. We are just humans with nowhere near the needed mental capacity to understand our creator's full vision for us or the universe.

IMHO, Almighty God is the Creator of science as well as anything else. It takes a mind like God's to create and understand the creation as He intended for it to be. That is why our minimal mental capacity to understand will never get it, like you stated Im7. We'll never be able to get it on this earth out of the Presence of God. Look how long it takes to become a doctor. Plus, they're learning something new everyday. God built the body to be tough, yet it's fragile. Look at the respiratory system. We're all here because of cigarettes. The lungs will repair themselves (to a point) once we quit smoking. Surgery is so common place now for helping the body to heal itself. Many surgeries can be done with lasers with minimal invassiveness. My mom suffered terribly from gallbladder surgery back in the sixties. Now, with lasers, zip zap and you can now go home. Laser surgery for the eyes! Cataract surgery whereas in the olden days, your eyesight just got dimmer and dimmer. Do you really think that God didn't give medical break throughs to man? Another, is DNA. And, this is just in the medical field! The list goes on and on.

Daniel 12:4 King James Version (KJV)

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Do you think Daniel could have understood 'today' with the electronic wars going on with phones, computer pads, huge tv's, satellite tv, the tech with the military.....etc? He would have fainted looking at the stealth bombers take off, much less drop bombs and places blowing up! And then there are the drones. It's neverending. It takes being in the times of the end that we understand. I'm sure you can make many lists I've not mentioned.

Now, lets go to space and the universe.............

 

[Saintscruiser]

I do not believe in little, medium, large green, yellow, blue, purple, white, red, brown ET's. I see what you are saying MM, however, there is no proof of life on other planets, solar systems, universes. What about ufo's? They're demonic. How do I know this? I go back to the Bible and find no such references to life on other planets. I see where you are going, MM, but there is a major difference between God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, angels, devils, demons, verses life from other planets. God the Holy Spirit dwells within each of us as Jesus promised, upon accepting Him as our Saviour with our hearts. At this moment, we live on earth. Please don't forget that satan is the author of confusion, not God.

1 Corinthians 14:33 NKJV
33) For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace as in all churches of the saints.

Let's remember that all churches are not Christian. All preachers are not Christian. A church of the saints means for those who are Born Again, not just a building with a sign saying church in the front of it.

John 10:10 NKJV
10) The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they have it more abundantly.

Why?

John 3:16 (KJV)
16) For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Amen.

 

[rc3po]

Since there is no experiment that you can do you fail before you even get to the important part of doing an experiment
Want to tell me what experiment you could do to support your theory?
Science might not be able to disprove god, but god can't be proven by science either.
It means that for god (any of the numerous gods there are) you can either believe or not. Can I understand why people believe in such a thing? No, it's like believing in Santa you grow out of it as you learn how thing really work.

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There are plenty of fulfilled Scriptures in The Holy Bible for anyone that cares to search. And everything you were taught in school about evolution is a lie.
Check out the book, "Icons of Evolution: Science or Myth?", by Dr. Jonathan Wells.
Even if a sane person doesn't have faith in Intelligent Design, they should at least have hope that it is true, otherwise, what is there to look forward to except being worm dirt?
Like I said, there is plenty of proof for those that care to search.

 

[mightymen]

Now, lets go to space and the universe.............

Speaking on us being physical beings, we were once bound to this earth realm to see the presence of God now at this age of space and new scientific knowledge we have more places and things to see the presence of God that in the time of Gods chosen, man will be without excuse and stand in front of the judgment seat.

 

[BackDoc]

I know that God exists, he gave us vaping to enable us to quit smoking

 

[rc3po]

99.9% I agree with your post and like how you presented your thoughts.

We're never have any physical proof either way agreed, science will always have another question to search for another answer to get, believers will never have physical proof, all are questions are focus on the spiritual world and all answers come from God who's a Spirit the Creator of Everything, IMO, I see this written in Genesis 3:22 -: I see the universe being put together by God for the one single purpose of God bringing us to Him, we would have knowledge of GOOD and EVIL and would have already eat of the tree of life and live for ever and never be separated from God again. Though in the Spiritual world when where 100% in the presents of God all the question we would ever have would have been answered in the knowledge of knowing God.

This gift of science that God gave man is awesome and reveals so much of God in this physical world. When I think on science I say to myself God was kind to humanity and reveals a small part of Himself within science to all of us. I say the same things to myself on God when I look at the spiritual world and see God and when I think on Salvation and God's and Him revealing Himself to us and His ability to forgive us and teach us His ways is even more awesome then science or where science can bring us.

As I posted before on multiverse, if it was true then it would need a multiverse generator which I'll call God in my mind it's not possible to have any laws of any kind holding anything together without God binding/holding them together here or anyplace anywhere including the multiverse theory.

He is not presenting the truth - why would you like his thoughts? There is plenty of proof of The Holy Bible and of Jesus Christ also. There are hundreds if not thousands of fulfilled prophecies in the Bible. Why would you bow to those devils if you are filled with the Holy Spirit? You even clicked like to his demonic comments.

"The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts."
- Psalm 10: 4.

Never agree with the wicked.