I only had positive responses from him, including a good sense of humor, he made me laugh.
SD with the switch where I want it!
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Thought I would chime in concerning the SD switch. You really need to try the SD with the switch where it is at. I was a bit concerned about the switch before buying, but since using the SD with the switch in the rear, I could not imagine going back. Used a 510-Manual before SD and would consistently pick it up and fumble around getting the switch positioned right. With the SD and round mouth piece, I pick it up without a thought I am vaping, just seems natural now.
It's all good. It's YOUR money. Enjoy.
I admire loyalty, but I don't appreciate being attacked for asking a question.
He's scared, and he should be. Many a business gets left in the dust because of a disillusioned sense of entitlement.
Here's a link he himself posted about another "copycat", or maybe it's the same one... I don't really care either way:
elektrische zigarette screwdriver, ecig, e-cig, Pfeife, Pen, Mini Zig, eLiquid
My point is, even some of the loyalists over there have pushed him toward a new version where the switch is on the side. Oh no... "the switch is EXACTLY where it's supposed to be!"
But why get upset? Other than calling it what it looks like, patent law allows a few changes to existing products to market it as a new one.
What's stopping him from giving consumers what they want?
There's a waiting list for the "prodigy"... why do you think that is?
The guy at PS can't keep up with the demand... why?
Instead of making snide/spiteful comments about every other manufacturer out there, he could adapt/upgrade, come up with new innovative products, all based on his "original" design.
Other than the name, what's the problem?
The flashlight? Invented/marketed by someone else.
The atomiser? Invented/marketed by someone else.
The battery? Invented/marketed by someone else.
The button? The wires? The solder? The cartridge?
Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door.
Isn't that the way it should be? Or should we just accept whatever "he" thinks is the best product and "sometimes not like" the way we're treated.
Peace...
I admire loyalty, but I don't appreciate being attacked for asking a question.
He's scared, and he should be. Many a business gets left in the dust because of a disillusioned sense of entitlement.
Here's a link he himself posted about another "copycat", or maybe it's the same one... I don't really care either way:
elektrische zigarette screwdriver, ecig, e-cig, Pfeife, Pen, Mini Zig, eLiquid
My point is, even some of the loyalists over there have pushed him toward a new version where the switch is on the side. Oh no... "the switch is EXACTLY where it's supposed to be!"
But why get upset? Other than calling it what it looks like, patent law allows a few changes to existing products to market it as a new one.
What's stopping him from giving consumers what they want?
There's a waiting list for the "prodigy"... why do you think that is?
The guy at PS can't keep up with the demand... why?
Instead of making snide/spiteful comments about every other manufacturer out there, he could adapt/upgrade, come up with new innovative products, all based on his "original" design.
Other than the name, what's the problem?
The flashlight? Invented/marketed by someone else.
The atomiser? Invented/marketed by someone else.
The battery? Invented/marketed by someone else.
The button? The wires? The solder? The cartridge?
Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door.
Isn't that the way it should be? Or should we just accept whatever "he" thinks is the best product and "sometimes not like" the way we're treated.
Peace...
Sharon, I did take a look at that thread.
If you believe, "you suck the vapour up via side flutes in the cart top not thru the cart wool.."
Try this: Vape as you normally would and get the atty producing the desired output. Now take the cart wool out of a new fresh, blank cart, place one tiny drop of a different flavor on the end that will be inserted back in toward the mouthpiece, AWAY from the coil and vape again.
Now what do you taste?
You're being mislead and your initial instincts were right.
Believe what you want...
You must be kidding. You are the single most protected member of this forum.
If you are ever interested in discussion of your product without that protection you are welcome to come over to my place. If you don't know by now where my place is then feel free to PM me. I am sure it would make a very good discussion.
DW
BTW
at my place you too will be permitted to say whatever you feel like saying no matter how harshly you wish to say it. You can call me all the names you have wanted to for several weeks.
It's all good. It's YOUR money. Enjoy.
I admire loyalty, but I don't appreciate being attacked for asking a question.
He's scared, and he should be. Many a business gets left in the dust because of a disillusioned sense of entitlement.
Here's a link he himself posted about another "copycat", or maybe it's the same one... I don't really care either way:
elektrische zigarette screwdriver, ecig, e-cig, Pfeife, Pen, Mini Zig, eLiquid
My point is, even some of the loyalists over there have pushed him toward a new version where the switch is on the side. Oh no... "the switch is EXACTLY where it's supposed to be!"
But why get upset? Other than calling it what it looks like, patent law allows a few changes to existing products to market it as a new one.
What's stopping him from giving consumers what they want?
There's a waiting list for the "prodigy"... why do you think that is?
The guy at PS can't keep up with the demand... why?
Instead of making snide/spiteful comments about every other manufacturer out there, he could adapt/upgrade, come up with new innovative products, all based on his "original" design.
Other than the name, what's the problem?
The flashlight? Invented/marketed by someone else.
The atomiser? Invented/marketed by someone else.
The battery? Invented/marketed by someone else.
The button? The wires? The solder? The cartridge?
Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door.
Isn't that the way it should be? Or should we just accept whatever "he" thinks is the best product and "sometimes not like" the way we're treated.
Peace...
another load of uninformed nonsense.. we did build a better mouse trap.. and the world has come beating at out door.. having to turn down wholesale requests from retailers from all over the world simply because we cant make enough of our better mousetraps kind of tells its own story...
however we are making efforts to make our better mousetrap in large quantities so this problem should go away.. it will no doubt brings others ones tho..
its a shame folks cant be arsed to read whats been said in a thread before they chuck their meaningless two cents worth in..
and whilst knowing this might lose us a few more sales we dont really need.. we are not in the business of giving uniformed customers what they think they want..
we are in the business of giving heavy user nicotine addicts what we think they need.. something that simply works for them and gets them off real cigs with minimum frustrations..
we think we do this so do many others.. nuff said..
trog
DW i think you are pr-t.. i would never ever attempt to hold an intelligent debate with you anywhere except in private and face to face..
i love your "most protected member here stuff" it might be vaguely true now.. but if you had of been around longer you would know its only a very recent thing..
for ages i was the most attacked member here.. a lot of those attackers now lurk in "your place"... would i go there.. you must be f-cking joking.. he he he
perhaps we get the respect we deserve dude.. perhaps i have earned mine.. who knows..
trog
Cheers to you Trog and the invitation will always remain open.
Contrary to popular belief I do wish you success in your future endeavors. I just wish you would take some of the suggestions I know you have seen to heart and consider some modifications to your original design.
DW
You're being mislead and your initial instincts were right.
Believe what you want...
OK, let me think this through;
When you draw on a cart you are sucking through the side flutes, there is no magic wee hole at the back of the "wool" compartment to suck though.
How has anyone been mislead? you do not suck though the filler material when using a standard 901 cart (caveat about 901 carts as I haven't seen any others)
It's the same the world over... a good product is created & the greedy knock off merchants rush to make a cheap copy of what they know to be sound.
Go to any market & you can pick up cheap copies of anything but, the quality is never as good as the real thing, no matter what the ripoff merchant tells all the gullable buyers. There's never proper backup or spares when things go wrong.
My grandma always said 'cheapness is mistaken economy' & 'if it's not broke don't try to mend it' & I think she was right...
The ScrewDriver is a solid product that 'does what it says on the tin' why should Trog change what works just to satisfy the demands of the few who will always want what they think they should have as a divine right?
Keep doing what your doing Trog... you know all the knock offs are only bought by 'chavs'...
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I think if ever the Chinese wake up to the fact that most people want battery power and a simple button they will be churning out SD, Prodigy, GG, style e-cigs with buttons anywhere you could ever possibly ever want one for just a few pounds each. They will be much simpler for them to mass produce than the far more complicated imitation tobacco cigarette. They only made them as cigarette like as possible to attract smokers to E-cigs in the first place.
Erm, most post questioning yours has nothig to do with either Trog or the SD, 'tiss more a general question over cart construction than anything else.
Wouldn't be so good and let me know what you thing would you fella?
Absolutely brilliant marketing strategy!
What kind of uniforms would they have to wear?
If you're already selling as many as you want, What exactly is the problem?
Consumers should be denied what other manufacturers are willing to make because you say so?
What they think they want?
Okay, I gotta catch my breath now... back to your place for more moral support and pats on the back.
I'll meet you back here later and we can play some more.
Peace...
What I think doesn't matter... obviously.
Here's what your master said, trying to advise Sharon when she thought the cart material might be contributing to her throat irritation:
people assume the air is sucked thru the wool.. it isnt the wool does just hold the liquid and feed the heater coil..
the inhaled air simply goes past the wool in the cart not thru it.. it comes right from the heater coil.. up some side flute in the plastic cart and into the mouth..
people assume lots of things about e cigs.. places like bunny land feed these assumptions and make them real.. when there is nobody to correct all these basically incorrect assumptions it all goes round and round for ever..
we can correct them here.. but when too many folks have them its impossible anywhere else..
trog
ps.. so basically all this wool stuff is fed by an incorrect assumption.. inhaled air is drawn thru the cart wool.. it isnt.. the other one is the cart wool melts.. again with carts like a 901 it dosnt.. all the cart wool does is hold fresh liquid.. it never gets hot enough to melt..
So try my suggestion and place a drop on a fresh cart inserted backwards... What do you taste.
I'll agree, for the sake of argument, that the intention of the flutes may be as he states. How then, if absolutely NO air travels through the cart, do I get a hint of that flavor? Magic?
At the end of the day, if I have a sore throat, who am I gonna trust? The doctor or the salesman?
He can correct you over there because if you disagree you'll be banned and your post will be deleted. His word is law! He hates this place because they don't conform to his way of thinking and support the free exchange of ideas.
Take a look at the posts over there that are totally sd related... it's him, a couple mods and a few customers all agreeing with each other.
If it wasn't for this and a couple other forums you'd go deaf from the crickets chirping.
Peace...
What I think doesn't matter... obviously.
Oh sarcasm, I get sarcasm
Jog on fella "your master" no one is my chuffing master, I'll tell it as I see it, I'll quite happily have an argument with anyone either online or face to face.
I'd agree with that, I've struck a portion out as I haven't any experiance in the melting point of the filling material.
I'll agree, for the sake of argument, that the intention of the flutes may be as he states. How then, if absolutely NO air travels through the cart, do I get a hint of that flavor? Magic?
Peace...
Tiss a magic wee process called evaporation.
Air is drawn through the side flutes, not through the filling material, now air being air it likes to mix and hang out with other bits of air in the near vicinity, and I'm 100% certain that air that is drawn through the flutes will have mixed with air which is present around the filling material and may (if you've got ****ty wool) have picked up teeny tiny amounts of fibre.
Given the consistency of the liquid I would be surprised to see those fibres making it all the way past the filling, up the flutes, through the mouth piece, into a mouth and then to the back of the throat.
Another option you may which to consider, is a shrink, it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that the symptoms are psychosomatic ???
Peace out.
The air isn't actually being drawn 'through' the cart but when you are drawing on the eicg the air pressure outside of the cart is reduced and so therefore some of the air in the cart must come out to equalise with the lower pressure being created outside. So in a way it's almost the same thing.
Thank you for supporting my position. the mixing of the cart air with the drawn air, real or imagined, intended or not, the taste is there isn't it?
Evaporation, dissipation, imagination? The proof is in the mixing isn't it?
But how can this be? It goes against everything we've been told to believe?
And I suppose your right... a sore throat could be "all in your head".
Peace...
Thank you for supporting my position. the mixing of the cart air with the drawn air, real or imagined, intended or not, the taste is there isn't it?
Evaporation, dissipation, imagination? The proof is in the mixing isn't it?
But how can this be? It goes against everything we've been told to believe?
And I suppose your right... a sore throat could be "all in your head".
Peace...
My apologies, I read your original post and noted the highlighted bit and believed your intention was to demonstrate that air was drawn / forced though the filling wool, which it isn't
and we're all in agreement with that now right.And I'll still maintain that a clean freshly washed cart and filling material is highly unlikely to release fibres that pass through the flutes to the back of the throat, especaially one soaked in this greasy sticky liquid, but until someone tests for it we'll never know..
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