Seattle Local News Report on E-cigs

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Limoncello

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""It doesn't break the link between the pleasure of sticking something in your mouth, inhale on it and getting that rush of nicotine," said Dr. Curtis Veal, Swedish Medical Center."


Why is he saying this like it's a bad thing? That is the whole purpose of the PV as far as I'm concerned. And I still stick coffee and doughnuts in my mouth and swallow/chew it too to get that caffeine rush and sugar high........is that next to be derided as a bad thing? Good article otherwise (I find it laughable that they always have to have an opposing point of view whether it's lame or not):oops:
 

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Limoncello - You make a great point here. The ecig is going to provide smokers a way to help the public determine between the action and the delivery device. I can totally see why the dissent is freaking out. They have spent years demonizing a group of people based on an action and now that it is logically difficult to do so (since the ecig so far doesn't harm anyone but possibly the user), language will have to be carefully considered in their arguments so it doesn't come off as hate.
 

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Limoncello - You make a great point here. The ecig is going to provide smokers a way to help the public determine between the action and the delivery device. I can totally see why the dissent is freaking out. They have spent years demonizing a group of people based on an action and now that it is logically difficult to do so (since the ecig so far doesn't harm anyone but possibly the user), language will have to be carefully considered in their arguments so it doesn't come off as hate.

Lacy, I think it boils down to two things: Control and Taxes. We have slipped out of the bonds of the we are in control of what you do: "No, you CANNOT smoke" and "If you do, you will pay $$$$"
We have managed to slip both those bonds for the moment with the advent of the PV and they do not like to lose this fight. We won this battle so far but may lose the whole bloody war in the end if saner heads don't prevail (FDA/Politicians)
 

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Lacy, I think it boils down to two things: Control and Taxes. We have slipped out of the bonds of the we are in control of what you do: "No, you CANNOT smoke" and "If you do, you will pay $$$$"
We have managed to slip both those bonds for the moment with the advent of the PV and they do not like to lose this fight. We won this battle so far but may lose the whole bloody war in the end if saner heads don't prevail (FDA/Politicians)

Have you seen http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tronic-cigarette-interview-david-sweanor.html. Follow the link TB posted as well. It is amazing! I have printed it out and am fine tooth combing it before I respond with my thoughts http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...icotine-delivery-harm-reduction-strategy.html. But it touches on everything you have posted in the above comment. It is a realistic approach to the world in which we smoke and wow... Everyone on the forum should read it.

To think we won't get taxed is naive. However, we definitely shouldn't be taxed like tobacco and neither should any smokeless tobacco product for that matter.
 

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To think we won't get taxed is naive. However, we definitely shouldn't be taxed like tobacco and neither should any smokeless tobacco product for that matter.

Now, that's the gospel! Down in New Zealand, the researcher doing e-cigarette studies funded by Ruyan, Dr. Murray Laugesen, is anti-smoking. He wants all tobacco use phased out in a decade. To get there, he proposes to "incentivize" use by differing tax structures.

Cigarettes get the highest tax -- and it keeps rising. Cigars and pipes get a lesser tax. Snus and snuff get almost no tax. Same for e-cigs. His idea is to shift addicts from the most harmful addiction to something with little or no harm. But if smokeless products are killed in infancy, addicts might never be able to make that transition. The result will be the continuing death toll from use of cigarettes.

At this point, we can only hope that reason rules. Lacey is high on hope. Sadly, I have my doubts.
 

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Cigarettes get the highest tax -- and it keeps rising. Cigars and pipes get a lesser tax. Snus and snuff get almost no tax. Same for e-cigs. His idea is to shift addicts from the most harmful addiction to something with little or no harm. But if smokeless products are killed in infancy, addicts might never be able to make that transition. The result will be the continuing death toll from use of cigarettes.

At this point, we can only hope that reason rules. Lacey is high on hope. Sadly, I have my doubts.

Apparently he has read David Sweanor's essay, which I am still combing by the way. There is SO much information in there and brilliant ideas it is amazing.

And that's ok... you keep your doubts. I am high enough for the both of us! :) I need my yin... and you need a yang!
 

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Even thou it wasn’t a bad report it wasn’t the greatest I prefer to stay under the radar from the local officials I can just see Governor Christine Gregoire trying to do something to tax it because they are loosening revenue on cigarettes’ I can’t believe she got voted back in. one good thing that was said was it does not violate the no smoking laws in Washington
Robert
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I knew moving to Seattle was a good choice :) This is the best news report I've seen yet, and the only down note was that doctor who frankly came across as a killjoy who didn't like the idea of an e-cig simply because it might be enjoyable to use: "Ok, it doesn't seem to be toxic, but people will like using it 8-o"

Checking with the Attorney General's Office and getting official word that e-cigs don't fall under the smoking ban was icing on the cake. Well done, King 5.
 

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There's bound to be some bad news later to cheer him up.

Unfortunately, we already got it. See Smokey Joe's post in this same section. The latest FDA letter to a supplier, which seems to indicate they are hardening their stance.

Based on this latest letter, it looks to me like the argument whether ecigs are lawfully deemed "new drugs" and or "drug delivery devices" subject to FDA regulation may well have to be tested in the courts if they proceed with enforcement actions!
 

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Unfortunately, we already got it. See Smokey Joe's post in this same section. The latest FDA letter to a supplier, which seems to indicate they are hardening their stance.

Based on this latest letter, it looks to me like the argument whether ecigs are lawfully deemed "new drugs" and or "drug delivery devices" subject to FDA regulation may well have to be tested in the courts if they proceed with enforcement actions!

Sounds like the FDA are a bit full of themselves after winning that vote and are going to see just how much new power they really have. That could backfire on them quite satisfactorily.
 
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