Wow, I always held Glantz at a high standard while I was in nursing. That totally put some things into perspective for me. Thanks, T!
Secondhand smoke is harmless
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What legitimate reason is there for hurting anyone at all? That's not what i posted at all.
Given the lack of evidence posted for SHS, it's a reasonable conclusion to suggest the damage is either non-existent or hard to measure don't you think?
Your evidence in the form of a 1996 photo, means i could have raised a baby to voting age by now for your opinion and information to be relevant. Lack of evidence is not lack of causality, it is just lack of evidence.
So you may be right. Or not.
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so the 45000 dead from apparent exposure to smoke, first hand or otherwise , in 1996, means nothing because it was too long ago.were humans totally different 18 years ago ?
lets say its half that number then for arguments sake, 1 right diagnoses 1 wrong, thats still an aweful lot of cases in one year, wheather it was 1960 or 2014.
sure i could be wrong, but the presence of common sense says theres probably some risk of breathing something in second hand that kills that many people first hand, or is that somehow ridiculous? am i missing something?
Well - let's suppose Jesus was exposed to SHS; how many people do you need to confirm a fallacy for which there is no evidence?
Is everyone that ever died a victim of this malign death that you have no evidence of? What do they die of? boredom?
'first hand or otherwise'?? what are you arguing the case for? That smoking is bad? we all vape because we think so too! But second hand smoke is not the same at all.
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Is everyone that ever died a victim of this malign death that you have no evidence of? What do they die of? boredom?
'first hand or otherwise'?? what are you arguing the case for? That smoking is bad? we all vape because we think so too! But second hand smoke is not the same at all.
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All you have is statistics. Smokers are X% more likely to get certain diseases. The second hand smoke argument evolved in the same way. The lawsuits that gave it legs involved people like airline staff and bar staff who were exposed to large concentrations of it for long periods, and they were statistically more likely to have certain medical conditions.
That allows morally shameless folks like big tobacco executives and Rush the Drugster to assert that maybe it's not a causal relationship. People with a tendency to smoke or work in bars are more likely to develop COPD due to some unknown underlying condition that causes both the behaviors and the disease. Or it's a liberal lie devised by them "scientists" or big government or whatever.
God help us vapers. There isn't a large enough database yet to get us to whatever degree of certainty we have about smoking. Which allows anyone with a theory or a financial incentive to make whatever claims they want, then turn it back on us by asserting that we don't have any "evidence" that they are wrong.
Like JDM said above "believe what you want to believe". I've got my own home brewed mix of common sense, "facts", and anecdotal evidence, which leads me to believe I'm a lot better off vaping than smoking. I'm not going to put much effort into persuading people that I'm right. Except in the limited area of trying to keep vaping legal.
I have a feeling that if gravity had been "discovered" in recent times it might not have caught on like it did. People don't believe politicians, or scientists, or polls, or logic. But they believe anything their witch doctors tell them. I heard it on Rush, you know. Is human culture devolving?
That allows morally shameless folks like big tobacco executives and Rush the Drugster to assert that maybe it's not a causal relationship. People with a tendency to smoke or work in bars are more likely to develop COPD due to some unknown underlying condition that causes both the behaviors and the disease. Or it's a liberal lie devised by them "scientists" or big government or whatever.
God help us vapers. There isn't a large enough database yet to get us to whatever degree of certainty we have about smoking. Which allows anyone with a theory or a financial incentive to make whatever claims they want, then turn it back on us by asserting that we don't have any "evidence" that they are wrong.
Like JDM said above "believe what you want to believe". I've got my own home brewed mix of common sense, "facts", and anecdotal evidence, which leads me to believe I'm a lot better off vaping than smoking. I'm not going to put much effort into persuading people that I'm right. Except in the limited area of trying to keep vaping legal.
I have a feeling that if gravity had been "discovered" in recent times it might not have caught on like it did. People don't believe politicians, or scientists, or polls, or logic. But they believe anything their witch doctors tell them. I heard it on Rush, you know. Is human culture devolving?
Me neither, but the problem is; they don't always lie. It's our job to guess when.
Fascinating Mick, but i see a low correlation between the discovery of gravity and vaping.
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ohhhhhh I get it... I read through the whole thread before figuring out this was a really, really late April fools joke. Man, you really had me going there! Good one!
i had a thought. you remember that thread when all the mods were having a blast and it went on for a day or two before Dusty closed it? After he showed me all the food i could not have? Link please.
Must be car exhausts or huge bras. Oh - and try to stay on topic - this is about second hand smoke, so daughters would be bigger! just saying...
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moved to general vaping forum.
Must be car exhausts or huge bras. Oh - and try to stay on topic - this is about second hand smoke, so daughters would be bigger! just saying...
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moved to general vaping forum.
Can't remember the name of that thread. There have been a couple of those "Mods Gone Wild" threads and Dusty ALWAYS brings out the food pics. He loves to show off.
You were there!! I have the deaths of 450000 passive smokers on my mind for fs!
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i had a thought. you remember that thread when all the mods were having a blast and it went on for a day or two before Dusty closed it? After he showed me all the food i could not have? Link please.
Must be car exhausts or huge bras. Oh - and try to stay on topic - this is about second hand smoke, so daughters would be bigger! just saying...
T
moved to general vaping forum.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-vaping-discussion/617214-trolls-ecf.html ?
that was it - ty! i recall you there - with the same widely spaced legs we all love!
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