Secondhand smoke is harmless

[Lilvapie]

Once the smoke is exhaled it becomes " environmental tobacco smoke" or ets. At that point the chemicals change and become harmless. Banning smoking indoors is like banning a specific type of music. It's no wonder many states choose to not ban smoking indoors, they are still awaiting scientific evidence that it is harmful. None yet.....still waiting....


Second-Hand Smoke Proven Harmless -- Again - The Rush Limbaugh Show

Scientific Evidence Shows Secondhand Smoke Is No Danger | Heartlander Magazine

 

[GinnyTx]

you're kidding right?

my dad got chronic bronchitis from his coworker smoking in their 25 X 25 ft shop, he'd quit smoking years before this guy came to work for him and then he's got a smokers cough again..after six months of it.

and there's more "valid" studies...SMOKE (not vapor we're talking about) here's the EPA's take on it..Setting the Record Straight | Smoke-free Homes | US Environmental Protection Agency
Secondhand Smoke

cancer.org..etc..you get my drift..you're full of it

 

[Lessifer]

Once the smoke is exhaled it becomes " environmental tobacco smoke" or ets. At that point the chemicals change and become harmless. Banning smoking indoors is like banning a specific type of music. It's no wonder many states choose to not ban smoking indoors, they are still awaiting scientific evidence that it is harmful. None yet.....still waiting....


Second-Hand Smoke Proven Harmless -- Again - The Rush Limbaugh Show

Scientific Evidence Shows Secondhand Smoke Is No Danger | Heartlander Magazine

The main problem with secondhand smoke is that most of it does not come from what is exhaled by the smoker. Notice how when you light a cigarette, it's always burning and releasing smoke? So the majority of secondhand smoke is what is coming off the lit end, which is just as bad, or worse since there's no filter, than what the smoker is inhaling.

ETA: the poison is in the dosage. Will being in the same room with a smoker for 10 minutes give you cancer? No. But if you live with a smoker and are exposed 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, you're probably going to see some effects.

 

[jdm1982]

this just in, drinking improves motor skill and reaction time.

 

[GinnyTx]

 

[Lilvapie]

you're kidding right?


my dad got chronic bronchitis from his coworker smoking in their 25 X 25 ft shop, he'd quit smoking years before this guy came to work for him and then he's got a smokers cough again..after six months of it.

and there's more "valid" studies...SMOKE (not vapor we're talking about) here's the EPA's take on it..Setting the Record Straight | Smoke-free Homes | US Environmental Protection Agency
Secondhand Smoke

cancer.org..etc..you get my drift..you're full of it

So he smoked previously? Interesting......

 

[Lilvapie]

The main problem with secondhand smoke is that most of it does not come from what is exhaled by the smoker. Notice how when you light a cigarette, it's always burning and releasing smoke? So the majority of secondhand smoke is what is coming off the lit end, which is just as bad, or worse since there's no filter, than what the smoker is inhaling.

ETA: the poison is in the dosage. Will being in the same room with a smoker for 10 minutes give you cancer? No. But if you live with a smoker and are exposed 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, you're probably going to see some effects.

.. When that cigarette burns into the air the chemical composition changes dramatically into a harmless smoke.

 

[supertrunker]

Must have been that guy that caused it. Couldn't have been any other factors.

http://www.medicinenet.com/chronic_bronchitis/page4.htm#what_are_the_causes_of_chronic_bronchitis

Perhaps.

As far as second hand smoke goes - it's really the smell i object to, but i have no such whining when i smell fresh paint, gasoline or things that i quite like. I've seen little evidence for 2nd or even 3rd hand smoke and even less for vaping.

T

 

[Lessifer]

What is the process that would convert the chemicals into something harmless? I can see the argument for smoke being exhaled by a smoker, it's going through the filter of someone's lungs/body. Smoke wafting into the air doesn't go through any conversion, it may disperse, but the chemical process of combustion has already taken place. Where is the science saying that burning smoke coming from the lit end of a cigarette contains no carcinogens?

 

[Lilvapie]

this just in, drinking improves motor skil
l and reaction time.

Any scientific evidence to back it? I'll believe it.

 

[Lessifer]

Must have been that guy that caused it. Couldn't have been any other factors.

http://www.medicinenet.com/chronic_bronchitis/page4.htm#what_are_the_causes_of_chronic_bronchitis

Perhaps.

As far as second hand smoke goes - it's really the smell i object to, but i have no such whining when i smell fresh paint, gasoline or things that i quite like. I've seen little evidence for 2nd or even 3rd hand smoke and even less for vaping.

T

Not as harmful as we've been led to believe is different than "harmless"

 

[Lilvapie]

What is the process that would convert
the chemicals into something harmless? I can see the argument for smoke being exhaled by a smoker, it's going through the filter of someone's lungs/body. Smoke wafting into the air doesn't go through any conversion, it may disperse, but the chemical process of combustion has already taken place. Where is the science saying that burning smoke coming from the lit end of a cigarette contains no carcinogens?

"Mainstream" smoke is very different from ets. It's science....

 

[supertrunker]

Not as harmful as we've been led to believe is different than "harmless"

I'm not certain of the standard of proof you need to declare anything 'harmless'?

Perhaps you'd name a few things that are?

T

 

[Robino1]

As Lessifer said, it is the side stream of smoking that is the more dangerous part of the cig to bystanders. Second hand smoke is not quite the demon that the anti smoking zealots would really like you to believe.

http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2013/12/new-study-finds-no-link-between.html

Think about who is telling tall tales about ecigs and what else they have pushed for years.

Granted, Ginny, living with or working with smoking for years and years can cause issues. Your father was at risk since he was a smoker previously and he had developed a smokers cough before he quit smoking. His lungs were already damaged and it realistically didn't take much to bring the same issue out once again.

 

[Lessifer]

"Mainstream" smoke is very different from ets. It's science....

smoke coming from the lit end of a cigarette IS mainstream, exhaled smoke is ets, but that's not where the majority of SHS comes from.

 

[AndriaD]

My son was exposed to my 2nd hand smoke indoors from birth; when he started school, he was missing 20+ school days a year, due to bronchitis and other complications of colds. I finally took it outdoors when he was 9 yrs old, just at the start of his 4th grade year -- and he had perfect attendance that year.

Not sure what 2nd hand smoke does to adults, but it's damn sure not good for kids. And I'm not talking about the occasional whiff; I mean smoke which is confined indoors to their living space.

Andria

 

[DC2]

I predict the OP will be "moved on" before this thread is closed.

 

[Lessifer]

I'm not certain of the standard of proof you need to declare anything 'harmless'?

Perhaps you'd name a few things that are?

T

I don't claim anything to be harmless, the two links in the OP did.

 

[Paradicio]

Why is second hand smoke being discussed on a Vape forum?

 

[jdm1982]

i know a girl that didnt smoke a day in her life and died of lung cancer. she lived with a pack a day smoker.granted people can get cancer regardless, thats enough anecdotal evidence i need to know you don't want to be breathing in 'harmless' second hand smoke