Senate HELP - Listen in!

[LaceyUnderall]

Yesterday's markup session can be seen/heard at:
Welcome - U.S. Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions
The committee will continue its markup today at 2:30PM (eastern time),
which can be seen/heard at
Welcome - U.S. Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions

 

[Boston George]

If I got a dollar every time they said "children" ...

 

[LaceyUnderall]

no doubt. pretty sad.

i am listening to yesterdays and each time they say "children" and "flavor", I want to head to the local Kroger and take a picture of the Smirnoff section that is right next to the soda aisle.

 

[OutWest]

Thanks for the link, listening now. And so far it's very disturbing. First starting with how he told all about how ill Kennedy is and how important this bill is to him. *rolls eyes* I dont care how ill he is, that doesnt make it good legislation and shouldnt be passed simply because he's terminally ill. Besides, Kennedy shouldnt even be a senator, what with the whole Chappaquiddick thing... Drives drunk, leaves the scene and lets someone die, doesnt contact police until later the next day (hmm.. someone need to sober up to pass sobriety test, perhaps?) and gets a whole 2 months deferred sentence. Puleeze! Anyone else woulda been sent off to prison.

Sorry didnt mean to hijack thread

And now, back to our regularly scheduled program

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Thanks for the link, listening now. And so far it's very disturbing. First starting with how he told all about how ill Kennedy is and how important this bill is to him. *rolls eyes* I dont care how ill he is, that doesnt make it good legislation and shouldnt be passed simply because he's terminally ill. Besides, Kennedy shouldnt even be a senator, what with the whole Chappaquiddick thing... Drives drunk, leaves the scene and lets someone die, doesnt contact police until later the next day (hmm.. someone need to sober up to pass sobriety test, perhaps?) and gets a whole 2 months deferred sentence. Puleeze! Anyone else woulda been sent off to prison.

Sorry didnt mean to hijack thread

And now, back to our regularly scheduled program

Mary Jo Kopechne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, on the link below... search "drunk"... "He often caroused with fellow Senator Chris Dodd;[95] twice in 1985 they were in drunken incidents in Washington restaurants, with one involving unwelcome physical contact with a waitress.[94]"

Ted Kennedy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

***Now back to the program****

 

[OutWest]

OMG! Just got to the part where they talk about the oncologist that refuses to give treatments to patients if their urine tests postive for nicotine! IMHO that doctor ought to have his license pulled. Sure, the patient should avoid the nicotine, but to withhold cancer treatment as a punishment?!?

 

[MonkeyMonk]

I'm on a 5GB/month USB connect card, so can people post salient updates for those of us that don't have cable or DSL. Thanks!!!

 

[bri1270]

OMG! Just got to the part where they talk about the oncologist that refuses to give treatments to patients if their urine tests postive for nicotine! IMHO that doctor ought to have his license pulled. Sure, the patient should avoid the nicotine, but to withhold cancer treatment as a punishment?!?

Doesn't that violate the hippocratic oath?

 

[Jayhawks]

I am watching Cspan 2 us Senate crap. Is this where it is or is it a diff committee

 

[planetofthevapes]

OMG! Just got to the part where they talk about the oncologist that refuses to give treatments to patients if their urine tests postive for nicotine! IMHO that doctor ought to have his license pulled. Sure, the patient should avoid the nicotine, but to withhold cancer treatment as a punishment?!?

OMFG, that's BS. I had to comment before I got ticked about everything else...nicotine is not what causes the cancer. What if the person has lung cancer, but they never smoked, they just chewed. Or what if somebody quit a year ago but uses gum? OMG! That's such crap, he should have his license pulled immediately!

This whole thing is such crap. You see the guy the camera is on, how he keeps taking his fist and shaking it around on his paper, like the ball bouncing up and down on a sing-a-long...getting on my nerves!

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This just in...what made you smoke? Was it advertisements? Was it peach flavored cigars? Or was it growing up around cigarettes and becoming addicted before you ever started? Or peer pressure from students at school! The last two is normally the answer. HELLO! How is passing this bill gonna stop this?

When I grew up, my dad smoked these delicious smelling camels every morning on the way to school, when he quit, I went nuts, I missed the smell. I started smoking soon after.

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at ~34:50 he states that this bill will "STOP the illegal sales of tobacco sales to children and adolescents"
Ok, if it's already illegal to sell to children under 18...but it still happens...how will the bill magically make that stop happening?

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Ok, sorry, this is getting more and more asinine, hence why I keep adding more.
~38:20 he states that "1 out of 3 tobacco smokers die"
ROFLMAO...don't we all die...so technically 3 out of 3 tobacco smokers die, right? I just find it funny how he is shoving statistics in everybody's face to get them to say yes to the bill...and all he is doing is spouting numbers out as a fear factor. I'm sure everybody was like...OMG, that is a 33% mortality...OMG...but seriously, we all have 100% mortality. The truth would be, 1 out of 3 smokers die as a result of their smoking...

Shortly after, he states, over 1/5 of the children are smokers by the time they leave high school....in fact, he says, it's actually more than 1/5, then follows by saying it's 20%. Did this guy go to school? 20% IS 1/5

 

[jim420]

Doesn't that violate the hippocratic oath?

Don't our politicians have to take that oath? Oh! No...That's the hypocritic oath...LOL

 

[Slea]

I'm on a 5GB/month USB connect card, so can people post salient updates for those of us that don't have cable or DSL. Thanks!!!

Or speakers! Thanks again.

 

[Rorschach]

Don't our politicians have to take that oath? Oh! No...That's the hypocritic oath...LOL

HAHHAHAAHAH!
Well said.

 

[OutWest]

This just in...what made you smoke? Was it advertisements? Was it peach flavored cigars? Or was it growing up around cigarettes and becoming addicted before you ever started? Or peer pressure from students at school! The last two is normally the answer. HELLO! How is passing this bill gonna stop this?

I started at age 17 one night at a nightclub in mexico. I had been drinking and a cigarette sounded really good (and the smell from cigs from others around me was enticing). Been smoking ever since. Grew up in a smoking household, but the secondhand smoke always bothered me, the smell didnt though. Loved the smell of my grandpa's pipe, in fact.

at ~34:50 he states that this bill will "STOP the illegal sales of tobacco sales to children and adolescents"
Ok, if it's already illegal to sell to children under 18...but it still happens...how will the bill magically make that stop happening?

Exactly. The only thing reasonable that might make a dent would be to only allow liquor stores to sell tobacco products. It wouldnt stop it (heck i was going into liquor stores and buying hard liquor when I was 18) but it would make a dent.

regarding that oncologist - he does make the patient sign a contract saying that they agree to it, but that doesnt make it right.

 

[halopunker]

Ah Burr ^.^

 

[ShadowDemon420]

This is very interesting if your watching the second video thats streaming right now their talking about mary jane thats very interesting!

 

[gatsby]

I think there was list of phone numbers for committee members aid on the board someplace. Does anyone remember where it is and post a link.

Oh and could somebody watching all this mess post a few quotes specifically regarding e-cigs or the general location of the video where the topic is covered?

 

[LaceyUnderall]

I started at age 17 one night at a nightclub in mexico. I had been drinking and a cigarette sounded really good (and the smell from cigs from others around me was enticing). Been smoking ever since. Grew up in a smoking household, but the secondhand smoke always bothered me, the smell didnt though. Loved the smell of my grandpa's pipe, in fact.

This is SO interesting that you say this because just the other night we were discussing the fact that (some) smokers actually have to get over another addiction and that is of things burning. Call us pyromaniacs if you must, but I love the smell of burning cigarettes, burning leaves, burning campfires, burning anything. Can smell it from a mile away.

My first few weeks off of analogs, I literally wanted to lick the smoke from hubby's cig out of the air. Weird yes... but it made me really think about the "burning" portion of the addiction.

 

[ShadowDemon420]

I have been watching this the whole time but I was on the phone some of the time and they just voted on something I couldent hear on what I gtg now I will watch it when I get home

 

[harmony gardens]

There's so much to be angry about here, but one that really stuck out to me, was the Senator who pointed out that when the States were granted money from the "tabacco settlement", most of the states diverted the funds to things other than it's intended purpose.

The latest increase in the tabacco tax was earmarked for healthcare for kids. It's amazing that none of these taxes seem to go to a fund to care for health care for the actual smoker.

The Senator who held up the nicotine "candy" seems to assume that sucking on a nicotine lozenge and smoking are equally dangerous.