Seriously!

[DaShiVa]

Heh my parents are flying me home for a wedding in March/April - it'll still be summer there so I'll get my pool time then, meanwhile I love the cold (I know it's not that cold in Dallas, but still colder than Sydney ) I wish I was further north where the snow is sticking, like above the artic circle - I lived a year in Finland back in 98 and had the best time of my life there, and it got cold

 

[keyzygirl]

Its nice here!!Sunny and warm!!

 

[TheTout]

Ok Keyzygirl, I'm hopping on I-75, stopping in Atlanta, Georgia (relatives) down to West Melbourne, fla (brother) then to your house!!! You don't mind if I stay a couple days do you!! Then back up, stop in Fort Meyers (friends), Ocala (relatives) and so on...

By the way, love to drive since I started using the pass-thru in the car!!

 

[Sheryl]

Florida sounds wonderful. We were at the Mayo clinic through Wed., had to stay until Thurs. due to a blizzard and 1 foot of snow. It is below zero here in Minn. Do you have an extra bedroom kensygirl? We were in Florida in Oct., talk about beautiful weather.

 

[Taryn]

Lived most of my life in Minnesota, I don't miss the bitter cold and snow!

 

[Drozd]

How is it possible that people who try the 510 AND the VK prefer the 510? I guess we all have different preferences, but sheesh!

Ok here's my honest answer. but first off let me state that I really want to like V4L because I hear their customer service is outstanding. However, I went with the 510 for several reasons. primary is that when surfing newbie threads and the what should I get threads in particular there is almost always without fail a "get a vapor king" post, not a get a kr808D-1 (and heres a company that has them called..) and I'm tending to really really dislike the renameing/rebranding as I think it contributes highly to newbie confusion (same reason I wont buy a 510 from TW) and it just comes off as pushy...
Secondly, I want manual batteries which just isn't an option with V4L starter kits (well it is just "0lder style manuals with 5 second cutoff" which just makes them sound inferior)...and the extra batteries? well I really find the reguar manuals with the repetative logo just plain unattractive, the extra longs look ok I just don't want them long (if I wanted a penstyle length I'd look at penstyles)...
So , though I really would like to try the KR808D-1,as of yet I still haven't found a company that has an attractive manual style (with no cutoff) that isn't rebranded or renamed all to heck...because of that I don't even know if I find a decent kr808d-1 if the V4L cartos will work on non "vapor king" batteries...I could find all that in a 510 quickly on a variety of different suppliers with all sorts of color choices..

 

[Birdy]

I went with the 510 for several reasons. primary is that when surfing newbie threads and the what should I get threads in particular there is almost always without fail a "get a vapor king" post, not a get a kr808D-1 (and heres a company that has them called..) and I'm tending to really really dislike the renameing/rebranding as I think it contributes highly to newbie confusion (same reason I wont buy a 510 from TW) and it just comes off as pushy...
Secondly, I want manual batteries which just isn't an option with V4L starter kits (well it is just "0lder style manuals with 5 second cutoff" which just makes them sound inferior)...and the extra batteries? well I really find the reguar manuals with the repetative logo just plain unattractive, the extra longs look ok I just don't want them long (if I wanted a penstyle length I'd look at penstyles)...
So , though I really would like to try the KR808D-1,as of yet I still haven't found a company that has an attractive manual style (with no cutoff) that isn't rebranded or renamed all to heck...because of that I don't even know if I find a decent kr808d-1 if the V4L cartos will work on non "vapor king" batteries...I could find all that in a 510 quickly on a variety of different suppliers with all sorts of color choices..

Well, I guess you're going to get to find out because you've won a V4L kit.

 

[Taryn]

Actually if you want manuals instead of autos you just have to request it when you order. And there are several new single logo batteries out there that are fantastic to look at.

On the newbie threads I recommend the KR808D-1 and not V4L but I DO believe that V4L has a superior product than the average vendor, there are several improvements made that the other vendors have NOT done.

 

[Drozd]

Actually if you want manuals instead of autos you just have to request it when you order. And there are several new single logo batteries out there that are fantastic to look at.

On the newbie threads I recommend the KR808D-1 and not V4L but I DO believe that V4L has a superior product than the average vendor, there are several improvements made that the other vendors have NOT done.

Really? I've been looking at their site for a while now and the only mention of short manual batteries in a kit I see are the ones that say that they are old style with a 5 second cut off.. and the extra batteries all the short single logos are all autos...

As for the newbie thread thing..I can respect and appreciate that you think that suggest the generic model number...and the feeling that i get is that V4L has an awesome customer service reputation and a feeling that they do care which gives them an almost rabid fan base (seems a bit pushy at times)
but I still do feel that theres a big difference when someone asks for a model suggestion between saying a vapor king (particularly since there is another supplier with a similar name) and saying a KR808D-1 and qualifying that with a V4L has them but calls them a vapor king...just think it adds to the confusion of already overwelmed newbies and really steers them to a particular vendor when that should really be a decision they come to on their own after trying to help educate them in an unbiased (toward a particular supplier) way..I know for example that I relate my own personal experiences and try to list pros and cons of both the 510 and the KR808D-1 and then list suppliers for both or each that have solid customer service reputations...
Like i said I'd personally love to give V4L a try if they ever get a kit that fits what I'm looking for..as it stands now I think I'm gonna get a basic kit from another vendor and since it doesn't come with cartos just get those from V4L and hope they work together.

 

[Drozd]

Hmm, apparently I won a kit...thats cool..
actually entered in hopes of getting a Christmas present for a relative who's tried everything to get off analogs, but didn't look like the funds were gonna allow that to happen. I wouldn't get her the 510 as it's too much tinkering for me to think it'd be successful...part of the reason I've been looking at KR808d-1 models to begin with..

 

[Taryn]

I think the manual shorties are on the way yet, but the regular size and xl have both auto and manual. I'm sure if you check with the guys they will have a better idea on arrival. Congrats and welcome to the family (even if you aren't going to be using it yourself!)

 

[Paranoyed]

Really? I've been looking at their site for a while now and the only mention of short manual batteries in a kit I see are the ones that say that they are old style with a 5 second cut off.. and the extra batteries all the short single logos are all autos...

As for the newbie thread thing..I can respect and appreciate that you think that suggest the generic model number...and the feeling that i get is that V4L has an awesome customer service reputation and a feeling that they do care which gives them an almost rabid fan base (seems a bit pushy at times)
but I still do feel that theres a big difference when someone asks for a model suggestion between saying a vapor king (particularly since there is another supplier with a similar name) and saying a KR808D-1 and qualifying that with a V4L has them but calls them a vapor king...just think it adds to the confusion of already overwelmed newbies and really steers them to a particular vendor when that should really be a decision they come to on their own after trying to help educate them in an unbiased (toward a particular supplier) way..I know for example that I relate my own personal experiences and try to list pros and cons of both the 510 and the KR808D-1 and then list suppliers for both or each that have solid customer service reputations...
Like i said I'd personally love to give V4L a try if they ever get a kit that fits what I'm looking for..as it stands now I think I'm gonna get a basic kit from another vendor and since it doesn't come with cartos just get those from V4L and hope they work together.

I understand what you are talking about but I assure you if you ordered from the V4L team you would understand why the fan base is as "pushy" as it is. I encourage you to look at the other threads in the V4L forum and see why people love this company. To answer a previous question I got a steal on another KR808D-1 batt from another supplier and decided to see for myself if it would work with V4L cartos. Yes it does but what I noticed immediately on the first use is the button. ( I prefer manuals also) It does not "click" when I press it and is overly sensitive. I prefer to feel the click and know the battery is engaged not have to guess if it is or not because I cup the end of the batt in my palm and run my fingers toward my face I do not see the LED. (that is my stealth technique and has become habit as it feels comfortable to me). I also notice that I get better vapor and TH from the "same" VK model battery. I think newbies should be informed that V4L has implemented some quality control changes to their product which in my opinion are not drastic but greatly enhance my vaping experience.

 

[Adrenalynn]

To call the VaporKing "just another 808" is actually disingenuous because of quality modifications. I've got a generic 808 battery here from another supplier and it is J.U.N.K. Fit and finish is horrible.

So in a case like this, with a fragmented market, the VaporKing (or another product) has to be presented on its own merits in order to make an apples-to-apples comparison.

Given your concerns, I assume you don't buy Kleenex, Coke or Pepsi, wouldn't get near anything made by Xerox or IBM or Apple, ...

After all, you're really looking for a "tissue", "soda pop", "copy machine", and a "personal computer" [vs, of course, a PC which is an IBM trademark]...

 

[Drozd]

I think the manual shorties are on the way yet, but the regular size and xl have both auto and manual. I'm sure if you check with the guys they will have a better idea on arrival. Congrats and welcome to the family (even if you aren't going to be using it yourself!)

Well, I look forward to seeing a regular or short manual without a 5 second cutoff as part of a starter kit on their site (at that point, I'll re evaluate) (i keep getting told they exist, but I find them no where on the website) but at this point I don't see one that fits my preferences on their site..
And thanks for the welcome, hopefully it'll show in time for me to give it to get on the 24th..

 

[notsoogood]

Am i a wuss or is there anybody else out there that has to take a primer puff to get good vaper? My husband has been converted to the DPV9 but I have problems with it. But then, I don't get the same vapor that he does with the 510, too. He's like the MASTER! I am always having problems!

 

[Drozd]

... I think newbies should be informed that V4L has implemented some quality control changes to their product which in my opinion are not drastic but greatly enhance my vaping experience.

To call the VaporKing "just another 808" is actually disingenuous because of quality modifications. I've got a generic 808 battery here from another supplier and it is J.U.N.K. Fit and finish is horrible.

So in a case like this, with a fragmented market, the VaporKing (or another product) has to be presented on its own merits in order to make an apples-to-apples comparison.

you both make reference to these quality modifications that are specific to V4L, apparently enough so to think it qualifies as a different model.. so is there a list somewhere of these modifications and how they compare to the standard kanger produced KR808D-1..I've yet to see that..from a factory/manufacturing standpoint, I have a hard time believing that the actual manufacturing lines/process vary that differently from one KR808d-1 model to another other than applying finishes and logos for different companies..so I'd ask for saying that to be backed up..

Given your concerns, I assume you don't buy Kleenex, Coke or Pepsi, wouldn't get near anything made by Xerox or IBM or Apple, ...

After all, you're really looking for a "tissue", "soda pop", "copy machine", and a "personal computer" [vs, of course, a PC which is an IBM trademark]...

You're actually right there, I don't buy according to name (well except for apple (I categorically refuse to buy an apple product)).. yes I go out for tissue, or soda, or computer parts to put together my own machine based entirely on specs and what meets my needs and personal preferences and tastes...I would rather see someone make an educated and informed decision about a model and then worry about which vendor.. like you said it's a fragmented market and adding to the confusion isn't a good thing..for example i hear all these people talking about their vapor king..well, when I first started researching PVs, I came across a wesite for someone called vaporkings (which sell KR808D-1s incedentally) before I came across the Vapor4life website and the fact that they call their KR808D-1 a vapor king...so given the uninformed and uneducated in todays age where impulse buying before research is more common..one could easily make a mistake.

 

[nightwalker83]

you both make reference to these quality modifications that are specific to V4L, apparently enough so to think it qualifies as a different model.. so is there a list somewhere of these modifications and how they compare to the standard kanger produced KR808D-1..I've yet to see that..from a factory/manufacturing standpoint, I have a hard time believing that the actual manufacturing lines/process vary that differently from one KR808d-1 model to another other than applying finishes and logos for different companies..so I'd ask for saying that to be backed up..

The Vapor King has more holes around the thread and a solid ring on the connector, compared to a new regular Kanger battery, so yeah it really is different.

The Vapor King seems a bit more 'airy' to drag on, but it doesn't mean you get a worse hit from it. I was kinda torn between manual and auto because the 5 second cutoff on autos would frustrate me to no end, but now they're like 13 seconds i really enjoy them. I do love my single logo auto in chrome...

Just buy a regular Kanger battery from somewhere else if it's just the looks you don't like, granted you won't get a good warranty like V4L's but its all personal opinion on parts init

Oh, and nice one about the Apple gear, i wouldn't give them my money either LOL

 

[Adrenalynn]

>> yes I go out for [...] soda
So is it that all soda tastes the same to you, or that you have no taste and quality preference? It must be the former, because we've established what an expert shopper you are. Surely the argument can't be that a Diet Pepsi has the same taste as, say, Fanta Orange Soda? So are we to believe that you shop for "just any old soda, first thing my hand hits" - is there an informed buying decision there? There seems to be a contradiction, so I'm trying to check my premise.

so is there a list somewhere of these modifications and how they compare to the standard kanger produced KR808D-1

Well, certainly an informed buyer wouldn't just read a list and accept that to be gospel. Wouldn't an informed buyer buy a few hundred of every model, tear them apart, analyze them, and decide from there? Just taking a list to be kosher would be, I don't know, like looking at the posts of dozens of experienced buyers and running with their opinions.

I have a hard time believing that the actual manufacturing lines/process vary that differently

Would you also have trouble believing that V4L has an employee stationed in China right now, full time, changing the QA procedures and altering the process for their line?

so given the uninformed and uneducated in todays age where impulse buying before research is more common

Given that - it appears to this reader that the chief concern here is really about protecting people from themselves?

Our responsibility to prevent them from making uninformed buying decisions. I can see that. How about we pass a law that fifty percent of all people have to send you their paycheck, and 50% have to send me their paycheck? We'll spend it wisely for them. If they're not bright enough to research a market without instantly becoming confused, then they certainly can't be entrusted to make an informed buying decision, ergo - can't be permitted to posses the means to purchase anything. Those of us, individuals and companies, that are smart enough to make an informed buying decision have a sacred duty to protect them from themselves.

 

[Taryn]

I have to say, I think you all are being a little harsh on Drozd. It seems to me he is simply trying to say choose the type of e cigarette first THEN research the company where you decide to purchase. There is nothing wrong with that idea, it's like saying choose between acetaminophen and ibuprofen THEN decide if you want Tylenol, Advil or the store brand.

I do feel V4L has the absolute best product and customer service out there for the KR808D-1. It's why I choose it to be my first e-cig (I almost went for a 510!!). We are a fiercely loyal customer base and I can see how it might freak out other members or new members.

I do steer people with questions on the KR808D-1 to the V4L forums because even if they buy from another vendor for whatever reason, they will learn TONS here.

I will continue to recommend the KR808D-1, and proudly display my V4L banner. I believe in the product and the company behind it, but I'm not into high pressure on the newbies.

One last note, we are certainly not the only ones guilty of recommending our much loved supplier in the newbie forums. If a supplier recommendation is asked for you can be damned sure I will be telling them V4L and all the wonderful reasons I have for buying from them!

 

[Adrenalynn]

I'm just trying to establish clarity, understand his position...