Should Children be Allowed to Buy e-Liquids that contain Nicotine?

[erikajeanT87]

Those are All Possibilities.

There is Also the Possibility that since e-Cigarettes do Not Leave the Tell-Tale Stink on people like Regular Cigarettes do, that Children will be More Apt to use e-Cigarettes. Because they know it will be Harder to get Caught.

So basically e cigs would adhere to kids that don't wanna smell like smoke right? And why would they not wanna smell like smoke in the first place? Probably cuz they smoked analogs and can now legally purchase e cigs to not smell like smoke. So they are switching to a healthier alternative. With that likely assumption said I think that just kinda blew thru your whole argument.

 

[Jman8]

Clearly You Don't.

Because you Can't Discriminate against a Right that Does Not Exist.

You clearly can and people do ALL THE TIME.

 

[zoiDman]

So basically e cigs would adhere to kids that don't wanna smell like smoke right? And why would they not wanna smell like smoke in the first place? Probably cuz they smoked analogs and can now legally purchase e cigs to not smell like smoke. So they are switching to a healthier alternative. With that likely assumption said I think that just kinda blew thru your whole argument.

Not say'n that they Do or Don't.

But because we were Both engaging in Speculation, I saw no Reason to not Inject that piece of Speculation.

 

[zoiDman]

You clearly can and people do ALL THE TIME.

Whatever you say Jman8

But the Long and the Short of it is I believe in 18 or Older age limits to buy e-liquids that Contain Nicotine. You Don't.

Not much Else to say.

And even if the 9 or So States that do Not have an Age Limit now do Not have one when the Deeming of e-Cigarettes is Final, it won't matter.

Because of Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the US Constitution.

So all this is More of a Hypothetical Discussion anyway.

 

[erikajeanT87]

Not say'n that they Do or Don't.

But because we were Both engaging in Speculation, I saw no Reason to not Inject that piece of Speculation.

Yes we are in speculation but what you said in post #298 I basically elaborated on. So I think the percentage of kids that actually will start a habit of vaping when they never smoked analogs before is very miniscule.

 

[Jman8]

Whatever you say Jman8

But the Long and the Short of it is I believe in 18 or Older age limits to buy e-Liquids that Contain Nicotine. You Don't.

Not much Else to say.

And even if the 9 or So States that do Not have an Age Limit now do Not have one when the Deeming of e-Cigarettes is Final, it won't matter.

Because of Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the US Constitution.

So all this is More of a Hypothetical Discussion anyway.

I agree it is hypothetical. I acknowledge that age limits are either already existing in some states or will exist in all states, and likely all countries.

I also recognize that black markets, for kids, will exist in all those jurisdictions. And I rejoice. Knowing how it will all work against the "should forbid" crowd. It pleases me much.

 

[erikajeanT87]

So all this is More of a Hypothetical Discussion anyway.

Wasn't it all hypothetical to begin with since there are laws pertaining to this thread in a lot of states already?

 

[zoiDman]

I agree it is hypothetical. I acknowledge that age limits are either already existing in some states or will exist in all states, and likely all countries.

...

Well at Least we agree on Something.

 

[zoiDman]

Wasn't it all hypothetical to begin with since there are laws pertaining to this thread in a lot of states already?

Yes. Yes it Was.

I wasn't looking to Repeal any State Laws. Or to try and Stop any Pending State law which ONLY deals with an 18 Year Old age Limit.

All I wanted to see is What Percentage of the People Felt there Should or Shouldn't be an Age Limit.

 

[erikajeanT87]

And I rejoice. Knowing how it will all work against the "should forbid" crowd. It pleases me much.

Ditto

 

[Lessifer]

Some people, the majority of respondents in this poll, feel it is ok to regulate/restrict a product because of a "feeling" and a lack of evidence that something is harmless.

Others, outside of ECF, including those in political/regulatory power, feel it is ok to regulate/restrict a product because of a "feeling" and a lack of evidence that something is harmless.

The first group gets praised by the masses here on ECF, the second gets called ANTZ and are organised against, I guess I'm just having trouble seeing the difference.

 

[zoiDman]

Some people, the majority of respondents in this poll, feel it is ok to regulate/restrict a product because of a "feeling" and a lack of evidence that something is harmless.

Others, outside of ECF, including those in political/regulatory power, feel it is ok to regulate/restrict a product because of a "feeling" and a lack of evidence that something is harmless.

The first group gets praised by the masses here on ECF, the second gets called ANTZ and are organised against, I guess I'm just having trouble seeing the difference.

Please post some Studies that have been conducted on Adolescents that shows that the Habitual Inhalation of Nicotine, Food Flavorings, Colorants and Artificial Sweeteners has No Effect on a Developing Body and I Might be open to Changing My Opinion.

 

[Rossum]

How abut you post you post evidence that it causes harm rather than asking for evidence that it's harmless.

 

[Lessifer]

Please post some Studies that have been conducted on Adolescents that shows that the Habitual Inhalation of Nicotine, Food Flavorings, Colorants and Artificial Sweeteners has No Effect on a Developing Body and I Might be open to Changing My Opinion.

ANTZ, "public health" pundits, politicians: "In the absence of evidence that the Habitual Inhalation of Nicotine, Food Flavorings, Colorants and Artificial Sweeteners has No Effect on a Body, electronic cigarettes should be banned from indoor use, banned from use in outdoor public locations, barred from containing characterizing flavors, and highly taxed to discourage their use."

ETA: the only kinds of studies that would match your description would be longitudinal corollary studies, which will never happen, since adolescents, in most states, can't purchase e-cigs.

 

[zoiDman]

How abut you post you post evidence that it causes harm rather than asking for evidence that it's harmless.

In This Country, when it comes to putting something into Ones Body, which would you rather have?

People Selling you Something that they do Not Know the Effects. But will Stop if it is Shown to be Hazardous.

or

People can Not Selling you Something until it is Shown that the Product is GRAS.

 

[Rossum]

zoiD, you're asking ME whether I favor liberty or restrictive laws? I think you know my stance on such things.

 

[zoiDman]

zoiD, you're asking ME whether I favor liberty or restrictive laws? I think you know my stance on such things.

When it comes to Selling something that People put into their Bodies, the Philosophical concept of "Liberty" has to take a Backseat to Health.

Sorry.

 

[Rossum]

When it comes to Selling something that People put into their Bodies, the Philosophical concept of "Liberty" has to take a Backseat to Health.

Sorry.

If you truly believe that, you should be agitating far a ban on selling all manner of sweets to children; it would accomplish more in terms of health benefits. But I'd still tell you that what my kids consume is none of your dang business.

 

[zoiDman]

If you truly believe that, you should be agitating far a ban on selling all manner of sweets to children; it would accomplish more in terms of health benefits. But I'd still tell you that what my kids consume is none of your dang business.

But I consider Sweets for Kids to be GRAS.

Generation after Generation grew up on Sweets. And they seem to have Made it to Adulthood OK.

 

[Lessifer]

But I consider Sweets for Kids to be GRAS.

Generation after Generation grew up on Sweets. And they seem to have Made it to Adulthood OK.

If that's your basis for measurement, then tobacco is GRAS too. The overwhelming majority of smokers make it long into their adult lives before seeing any adverse health effects, let alone death.

Whereas there are hundreds of thousands of cases of early onset diabetes in America.


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