FDA= Failure, Deception, Abuse.they can not keep chinese chalk or any other chemical out of the hands of Americans with an isp.Its great to oppose their actions but if the laws are unjust they are not enforceable or ethical.Use your free hands and mouses to bring freedom to your will.On a serious note they would never ban a taxable product with no idea how to control it(other than their worst plans already in place for lost wars on things that can never be stopped).I to worried years back and thought the end was coming or could come, rejoice in knowing the worst you have to fear is the irs.
Should I even bother? Only a week in and reading all this FDA stuff :(
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I'm just calling it the way I see it: The FDA during the last 3 administrations has been turned into an emasculated, powerless agency. In general this has turned out to be a very bad thing for us minions eating - literally - the repercussions of this. But in the micro world of "doing something" to e-cigs, the FDA can't keep up with really important things that might actually make us safer, let alone take on a product that gives them brain farts because they can't determine, according to their own screwed up standards, if it's bad or it's good. (Or doesn't have the motivation to do so.)
In this weird status-quo our government has lapsed into, I really don't see anything happening. The FDA has tried, more than once to "do something" to e-cigs, and no matter what tack they use they have been shot down in the Courts. If "regulating it like cigarettes" would translate into "no on-line sales" the entire e-cig industry, at least the big players, would have injunctions and law suits flying all over the place. There might be a lot of little guys selling Dekang and joyetech that may not have the $$$ to take this on. But the manufacturers that make profit off supplying the little guys - Dekang and JoyTech and others - most certainly do. The entire USA is not a tiny market to these manufacturers.
Big tobacco doesn't have exactly a shining reputation in this era. I wouldn't count on the tobacco industry having as much power as it used to in this era of "...for the children!" And big pharma and their wondrous products? If that was working out so well we - and I do mean us - wouldn't be the big advocacy behind e-cigs. We'd all be calling our Congress critters demanding the threat to Chantix and Nicorette be stopped! Stopped I say, by those evil Chinese e-cig manufacturers. Anyone done that? Quite the opposite, if anything.
Besides, with social networking being what it is we could have a "Sit On Washington" campaign organized in about 2 minutes.
In this weird status-quo our government has lapsed into, I really don't see anything happening. The FDA has tried, more than once to "do something" to e-cigs, and no matter what tack they use they have been shot down in the Courts. If "regulating it like cigarettes" would translate into "no on-line sales" the entire e-cig industry, at least the big players, would have injunctions and law suits flying all over the place. There might be a lot of little guys selling Dekang and joyetech that may not have the $$$ to take this on. But the manufacturers that make profit off supplying the little guys - Dekang and JoyTech and others - most certainly do. The entire USA is not a tiny market to these manufacturers.
Big tobacco doesn't have exactly a shining reputation in this era. I wouldn't count on the tobacco industry having as much power as it used to in this era of "...for the children!" And big pharma and their wondrous products? If that was working out so well we - and I do mean us - wouldn't be the big advocacy behind e-cigs. We'd all be calling our Congress critters demanding the threat to Chantix and Nicorette be stopped! Stopped I say, by those evil Chinese e-cig manufacturers. Anyone done that? Quite the opposite, if anything.
Besides, with social networking being what it is we could have a "Sit On Washington" campaign organized in about 2 minutes.
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seems to be the popular thing to do. Just blame our first "black" president lolLOL, Start with... hmm... Regan? Naw still too recent
Yes! And there is WATER in antifreeze. We need to look into THAT STUFF TOO. *Groan*. Our best defense is to educate everyone we know, smokers and non-smokers alike. And sign petitions, ets. The Legal forum her is a great place to find out what you can do to help.
The FDA lost their fight in trying to ban ecigs. We are considered a tobacco product. Now it's just when they are going to impose high taxes on our stuff so grab some before it happens.
I'm getting a huge bottle of 100ml concentrate when my tax money comes back this Feb. They can't tax the flavorings.
At best, you're going to start paying double for juice. Plus anything new coming to market will be banned but what's already out there will be allowed. You can always try your luck at importing from China.
Growl.
They justified the cigarette taxes based on increased health care costs smokers were costing the system. Then they justified increasing these taxes as 'sin' taxes to increase funding for everything from childrens medicine to completely unrelated items like city parks. I can see how they can use this twisted logic to gouge smokers, not sure how they can manipulate it to apply to vaporizer users. I am however certain that they are going to try. Think of the Children!!
They justified the cigarette taxes based on increased health care costs smokers were costing the system. Then they justified increasing these taxes as 'sin' taxes to increase funding for everything from childrens medicine to completely unrelated items like city parks. I can see how they can use this twisted logic to gouge smokers, not sure how they can manipulate it to apply to vaporizer users. I am however certain that they are going to try. Think of the Children!!
Sure they can! If whatshisname gets elected with his "999" tax plan. Won't that be fun!
Sure they can! If whatshisname gets elected with his "999" tax plan. Won't that be fun!
In truth, it won't really matter WHO gets elected, here or anywhere else, because all governments will remain the evil forces they were designed to be. Each will continue to wield unjust, unearned power over its citizens to precisely the extent the citizens will tolerate. AFAIK this has been so since the beginning of "civilization" and will continue until its end. The fundamental concept of government is an evil notion which can under no circumstances be rendered "clean". Oh well.
On the bright side, various political parties can quit blaming each other; the force of Evil lies far deeper than that. Also there will always be work-arounds to be found by enterprising souls unwilling to take no for an answer. IOW it's all gonna work out okay, eventually.
Nicotine is found in very trace amounts in other fruits and vegetables too!
The FDA will shoot to control e cigarettes before they "ban" them. It is a potential money maker to say the least. The only people I can see that may want them banned are the big tobacco guys, but even then they would most likely just make things like "MarlboroMOD 2.0!" or "CamelEgO-K!" if they became fully approved and out in the wide open. The golden age of E cigarettes is far from over!...I hope...
What if manufacturers gathered their nicotine from a source other than tobacco? All nightshade family plants have harvestable levels of the alkaloid. The FDAs control over E cigs as a "tobacco product" would be released and the device legally no more a controlled substance than coffee or caffeinated beverages. Might be more expensive to extract from alternative plants but it would go a long way to avoid FDA attempts to over tax it.
This is completely wrong. There is only one large, well funded group who is against vaping and putting money on the table to fight it and it's not big tobacco: Big Pharmaceutical Companies - they are behind the negative propoganda by ASH, ALA, AHA, etc because they are these groups primary funding resource. Big tobacco could care less, as they know their product is diminishing greatly in this country. But Big Pharm is protecting their NRT business. And where do you think high level FDA executives go to work after they leave the FDA: hint, it's not Big Tobacco. Also, who do you think owns more politicians - Big Pharm by a mile.
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