Guys, im kinda scared of the FDA, healthy fear?

[capnjack98]

Well this is how it happened, i posted a paragraph on my facebook saying how happy i was with my ecig (Joye510) I never knew there was such a contration!!

A gurl i went to school with respondes back with " those are toxic too..."

I was ......, I rolled up my sleeves, cracked my knuckles and the great debate began.

Back and forth we went pasting links to prove our points . First thing she posted was the Wiki description on Ecigs and points out there not FDA approved and dangerous because not enuff research has been done on these metal devil sticks.

I basically just defended what my feelings are on the subject, using my expierance to draw on, which isnt a whole lot to draw from, since i only started on friday, BUT ive done lots of reading and trolling this forum which has been a huge huge help thnx to u guys.

I was told that she was not buying what i was selling, that i should seek other alternatives because this forum did not have bonafied scientist with proven facts that Ecigs were "safe" to use.

i responded with "wow i dint think i was selling somthing, i thought i was giving "free" experiance from my own life to help others. Im just happy to know ecigs are out there and are helping multitudes of people.If your looking for a witch hunt, thats fine by me, just tryin to tell people what is working for me. Im not pushing anything besides my happiness and excitement of the choice to be healthier".

I started searchin the web frantically for anything bad i could find about the Ecigs!! I was scared! I like Vapin and I didnt wanna find out 3months down the road the FDA has found what they consider "harmful" to people and ban them!! Back to Analogs?! Even after a week i couldnt imagine

I did read about the antifreeze crap found in them, but they already allow trace amounts in other products.

I realize what there doing, pretty easy to see, until they can get a firm grasp on Ecigs and benefit there gunna be in the grey area, BUT once there pockets get alil fatter from them they will be like "weeell were not saying there good for you, but since it helps people quit then well allow trace amounts of w/e we find in them.

Am i right to be concernd? or just paranoid from reading to much stuff? lol

~Capn~

 

[DC2]

Here is how I understand it...

The FDA found approximately 1% DEG in one of the 18 samples they tested. There was no DEG found in the rest of the samples. To get a toxic amount of DEG at that level a person would have to consume thousands and thousands of cartridges in one day.

DEG is considered an acceptable contaminant in products that contain PG and is allowed by the FDA in concentrations of 0.1% which is about 1/10 of what they found in that one cartridge from Smoking Everywhere.


If you want the best information possible, go to the CASAA website:
CASAA | The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-Free Alternatives Association

Once you get there you will find a sub-menu for...
--Lab Reports
--Journal Articles
--Document Library

This is probably the document you REALLY want to read on this subject...
Technical Review and Analysis of FDA Report by Exponent Health Sciences

 

[mistinthewoods]

Tell her that trace amounts of ethyl glycol were found in one sample of cartridges from China inONE study and that is what the FDA has been citing to death to condemn ecigs. That compound is also in tobacco cigs along with 3,999 other toxins but nobody mentions that. Tell her that there are lots of american companies that make juice that is completely safe. Hell I mix my own juice from nic that the FDA has already approved and USP food grade PG and USP VG and candy flavorings. It don't get no safer dan dat!

 

[JerryRM]

You ran into the anti smoking/vaping propaganda machine. The facts are there have been no reported illness or deaths due to e-cigarette use, the same can't be said about cigarettes. As for long term effects, nobody knows or can know, since e-cigs have only been around for a few years, but my common sense tells me that they are a lot safer than cigarettes.

The FDA "test" on e-cigs last July was a joke. They only tested a few samples, found some minute traces of potentially harmful chemicals, much less than found in cigarettes and they were off to the races, telling everyone that e-cigs are dangerous.

Consider that BP and BT's profits would have a dent put in it and the states would lose considerable excise tax revenue if many people switched to e-cigs. The alphabet groups, ALA, ACS etc. have an agenda to stop all nicotine use and e-cigs are in their way.

I can't tell you to vape, instead of smoke, but which one do you think is safer to use ??

 

[chrisl317]

None of us are dead yet? Plus, it can't be any worse than cigs.

 

[Automaton]

As others have said, none of the ingredients found in e-cig juice are harmful in small quantities. If you drink them straight are they harmful? Sure.

But so is 100% pure alcohol. Having a beer isn't going to hurt you.

Some sun exposure is good for you - Vitamin D. Too much sun, especially unprotected, gives you cancer.

PG is in some antifreezes, but the reason they use it is to make it LESS toxic. PG is also in cake icing. I don't see 5-year-olds dropping dead after their birthday party.

Whether or not a substance is poisonous depends on the substance itself, how much is used, and what it's used WITH.

We consume dozens of potentially lethal poisons on a daily basis, in small, harmless quantities.

I'm as concerned as anyone about the health effects of smoking - that's why I'm interested in e-cigs. And I am really thorough about doing my research. The last thing any of us want to do is wind up switching to something that's worse than smoking! And to some degree, yes, we are guinea pigs. E-cigs haven't been around long enough for us to truly know their long-term effects.

But I have yet to read about anyone having anything worse than a relatively mild allergic reaction to PG, which is easily solved by switching to some other type of base.

This is basically just scaremongering. There is absolutely no evidence to prove vaping is harmful. And while it may turn out to have long-term effects, at this point, no one knows that, and there is no reason to suspect that might be the case.

As others have said, I think the FDA and drug companies are just mad because they aren't making money of it.

 

[CaptJay]

Heres another tidbit - chantix is FDA approved - it kills people (in fact there is a class action lawsuit pending against the makers) - still scared?
Ok then how about - NRT are FDA approved - they work - for about 4 months then most smokers return to smoking - still reassured?
Or - PG is found is many things, from children's medicine's to asthma inhalers, from foodstuff to anti-freeze and back again - still worried?

 

[Shaka]

Am i right to be concernd? or just paranoid from reading to much stuff? lol

Hey Cap! To be concerned is healthy, keeps us on our toes. The antis are everywhere, and many normally intelligent people are brainwashed into blind trust of the almighty FDA.

As a proponent of alternative medicine, I just love beating on the FDA. CJ's Chantix example is classic FDA folly...

"So you're saying I should quit e-cigs that hasn't killed a single person and maybe take the FDA APPROVED Chantix that injured thousands and killed close to a hundred?" (I know it's over 70).

"What about the FDA APPROVED Vioxx that killed almost 30,000 in only 4 years?...you still trust them?"

"Did you know that side effects from FDA APPROVED drugs kill more Americans each year that heart disease, cancer, and stroke?...and this is only prescription drugs, it's at least double if you include reactions to FDA APPROVED otc's."

"And talk about conflict of interest...half of FDA bigwigs were employees of major drug companies right before joining the FDA, and almost half get executive positions with drug companies when they leave...and if you don't think something's wrong with that picture, then maybe you should go live under a rock somewhere."

Sorry, talking about the FDA just rings my bell!

 

[jamesam1243]

dunno but i heard that it is not so much people that are depressed that commit suicide, it is people that are recovering from depression that commit suicide, so giving any anti-depressant may endanger that person.

 

[dwillings]

Here's a bit of information on my personal level. I am 25 years-old and was smoking about 2 packs of Marlboro Lights per day. My resting heart rate was right around 100 bpm (beats per minute) and my blood pressure was usually around 150/90. My oxygen saturation levels (02 Sat as we call them in the business) was around 93-94%. Normal resting heart rate is between 60-90 bpm, normal blood pressure is systolic (top number)100 + patients age (up to 150) and diastolic (bottom number) 60-90, and normal 02 saturation is 99%. As you can tell I was not healthy. After switching to e-cigs about 8 months ago my vital signs are as follows: Resting heart rate 80, blood pressure 130/80 and 02 saturation 97%. How's that for scary?

 

[ricky59]

FDA approval or lack thereof is no worry to me. I do hope they find other things to occupy themselves with other than banning my ecigs. If they do I'll just find some way to get them even if it's illegal.

The FDA is run by corrupt politicians just like the rest of the government and there is big money that wants us to not have access to our ecigs.

Do a bit of research on the history of weed prohibition and you'll see the same hysteria and protection of big pharma's financial interests set's the policies there as well.

I do know that these are safer than analogs and that is enough for me.