should we be stocking up just in case

[Hulamoon]

I can't help you with the one, but I can the other (and it even may mention where to buy leaf, not sure) right here -

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/liquid-extraction-tobacco/

Can you provide a link to 1) extracting nicotine from leaf 2) where I can buy leaf?

Thanks!

 

[Troy421]

I know Iam starting to stock up on APVS and juice and cartos just in case.

 

[junkman]

I can't help you with the one, but I can the other (and it even may mention where to buy leaf, not sure) right here -

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/liquid-extraction-tobacco/

A quick look at that forum seems to indicate that they are extracting flavor, not nicotine.

 

[depichu]

Cant you just purchase nicotine bases? They were legal before, and I dont see why they wouldnt be if ecigs got banned.

 

[Schnarph]

Cant you just purchase nicotine bases? They were legal before, and I dont see why they wouldnt be if ecigs got banned.

You don't have to read the whole thread, it's pretty long at this point. It's not just the e-cigarette itself, but the e-liquid that goes in them as well that are in danger of a ban or regulation. It would be much easier for the government to regulate the nicotine base than the parts needed to make a vaping device. You can easily get all the other ingredients for e-liquid legally for other reasons, but not the nicotine base. Making a vaping device is one thing that could be done at home by anybody with the proper tools. Making a nicotine base liquid is not something I could do in my garage. If you have a nice sized lab like the one in Breaking Bad, you would be set, assuming you could afford the amounts of whole leaf tobacco required to make a concentrate worth storing. Check out CASAA, or the ECF Legislation News forum. Poop has been flung at the fan, so to speak. Hope it doesn't hit.
- 'You must unlearn what you have learned'

 

[Aheadatime]

I know Iam starting to stock up on APVS and juice and cartos just in case.

This got me thinking of RBAs. Has anyone tried the AGA-T2, and would it be reliable long term? I know you can wick them using silica, so you can also wick them using hemp. I don't like the idea of SS, and when I get into rewicking, I'll be doing so with hemp.

 

[Schnarph]

This got me thinking of RBAs. Has anyone tried the AGA-T2, and would it be reliable long term? I know you can wick them using silica, so you can also wick them using hemp. I don't like the idea of SS, and when I get into rewicking, I'll be doing so with hemp.

Buy some hemp, buy some cotton, buy some Kanthal and Ni-chrome. SS mesh is not nearly as cheap as hemp or cotton, but maybe you should get them all if it makes you feel better. Seriously. If you want to know about the AGA-T2, best look for some reviews, this thread is losing readers. It's gotten too long and has outlived it's impact.

 

[potholerepairman]

I guess you didn't read all the posts in this thread because this was touched on before. Since the FDA already tried to ban vaping nationwide, if they try again and are successfull, you really believe they couldn't stop the purchase of vaping supplies over the internet? It would actually be quite simple. If the banks, credit card compainies, etc won't process the payments, then it's finished. If the purchase of nicotine requires a strictly controlled, expensive license, DIY is also finished.

your guess would be wrong, read the post, I take post as opinions not touched and solved as something etched in stone.I"really" believe that there is no way to stop supply and demand,that is really proven in most things that people desire.If DIY is finished that says a lot more about the DIY'er than anything, in my mind DIY is an American trait that in not glorious terms means "git r done".Its always a good idea to have backup supply in any walk of life, vaping maybe two fold.I like to not live in a bunker world , though have a year supply at vaping and in most walks of my life that are important to me.Thanks for the heads up, maybe the powers that be will do something , it would be a long time coming at that.Does anyone really think its going to be without tax or regulation forever?

 

[Baditude]

Does anyone really think its going to be without tax or regulation forever?

No, that is not my fear. My fear is that easy access to nicotine e-liquid in adequate strengths for my needs will be banned. This is the one component of vaping that will have the greatest impact on present and future vapors.

You can stockpile a year's worth of nicotine liquid, but then what are you going to do? If the government makes the decision to outlaw liquid nicotine, it will be nearly impossible for the average vapor to get some, and will effectively shut down most if not all electronic cigarette vendors.

 

[potholerepairman]

No, that is not my fear. My fear is that easy access to nicotine e-liquid in adequate strengths for my needs will be banned. This is the one component of vaping that will have the greatest impact on present and future vapors.

You can stockpile a year's worth of nicotine liquid, but then what are you going to do? If the government makes the decision to outlaw liquid nicotine, it will be nearly impossible for the average vapor to get some, and will effectively shut down most if not all electronic cigarette vendors.

you have a gun as your avi you certainly have fear, good luck in your search, if you feel the gov is your issue, good luck

 

[junkman]

you have a gun as your avi you certainly have fear, good luck in your search, if you feel the gov is your issue, good luck

Not sure what his avatar has to do with anything. To me, it looks like a statement on his opinion of cigarettes. What does it look like to you?

I certainly don't think there is a reason to place excise taxes on e-cigs. What would be the rationale? Punish people who stop smoking? Is that the kind of public policy that makes sense?

 

[Baditude]

Not sure what his avatar has to do with anything. To me, it looks like a statement on his opinion of cigarettes. What does it look like to you?

I certainly don't think there is a reason to place excise taxes on e-cigs. What would be the rationale? Punish people who stop smoking? Is that the kind of public policy that makes sense?

The avatar was chosen because of my belief that continued use of cigarettes was the same as slow suicide.

The government's public policy is to tax the public for income, by any means possible. Why else are tobacco cigarettes still allowed to exist knowing their well-documented effects on health? Ever hear of the term "sin tax"? Taxing cigarettes is a cash cow for the government, and if liquid nicotine is not banned they will not pass up the opportunity for another cash cow.

 

[wv2win]

your guess would be wrong, read the post, I take post as opinions not touched and solved as something etched in stone.I"really" believe that there is no way to stop supply and demand,that is really proven in most things that people desire.If DIY is finished that says a lot more about the DIY'er than anything, in my mind DIY is an American trait that in not glorious terms means "git r done".Its always a good idea to have backup supply in any walk of life, vaping maybe two fold.I like to not live in a bunker world , though have a year supply at vaping and in most walks of my life that are important to me.Thanks for the heads up, maybe the powers that be will do something , it would be a long time coming at that.Does anyone really think its going to be without tax or regulation forever?

There are several ways to stop supply and demand legally. It sounds like you are hinting at black market, illegal methods. Many of us are not interested in breaking the law in order to vape. That is why we are advocating that we all join and support CASAA. I'm assuming that you joined quite a while ago.

 

[junkman]

The avatar was chosen because of my belief that continued use of cigarettes was the same as slow suicide.

The government's public policy is to tax the public for income, by any means possible. Why else are tobacco cigarettes still allowed to exist knowing their well-documented effects on health? Ever hear of the term "sin tax"?

Yeah, sin taxes are usually meant to dissuade use of something felt to be sinful or otherwise imposing costs on others. My point is that there is no rationale for such taxes on vaping - that it would not be good public policy.

You should read my post from the perspective that I am saying taxing/banning e-cigs is bad policy with no justification for that policy. That doesn't mean that I don't think there is a fight on our hands to keep the government off our stuff. I just don't think we should cede that is should or will be taxed without a fight.

 

[potholerepairman]

There are several ways to stop supply and demand legally. It sounds like you are hinting at black market, illegal methods. Many of us are not interested in breaking the law in order to vape. That is why we are advocating that we all join and support CASAA. I'm assuming that you joined quite a while ago.

you assume and guess a lot.I am only pointing this out to get a grasp as to how you want to come across, or if you are praticing to be a fortune teller.If you want to spread fear for some reason that the vaping world is going to be shut down this could by all means be your magical mountain to do it on.Why your at it they have some cans of dry food that will fit in a bunker also.To suggest that I am a pushing to break the law is laughable.

The original question on the thread was "should we be stocking up?", my answer was within reason ,not like an end of days person in a bunker in some three person mountain top preaching with snakes.

Point is if your new (this is the new member section), buy enough for your comfort level but know that there have been a lot of end of vaping times thruout the years. Last post in the thread for me, hope that helps someone.

 

[tj99959]

There are several ways to stop supply and demand legally. It sounds like you are hinting at black market, illegal methods. Many of us are not interested in breaking the law in order to vape. That is why we are advocating that we all join and support CASAA. I'm assuming that you joined quite a while ago.

^^ what WV said!

 

[Wallelf]

Joined CASSA and bumping the thread

 

[kl5167]

Joined CASSA and bought supplies to DIY. I might as well get started with now.

 

[Aheadatime]

you assume and guess a lot.I am only pointing this out to get a grasp as to how you want to come across, or if you are praticing to be a fortune teller.If you want to spread fear for some reason that the vaping world is going to be shut down this could by all means be your magical mountain to do it on.Why your at it they have some cans of dry food that will fit in a bunker also.To suggest that I am a pushing to break the law is laughable.

The original question on the thread was "should we be stocking up?", my answer was within reason ,not like an end of days person in a bunker in some three person mountain top preaching with snakes.

Point is if your new (this is the new member section), buy enough for your comfort level but know that there have been a lot of end of vaping times thruout the years. Last post in the thread for me, hope that helps someone.

Noone here is fear mongering or preaching. Were all discussing potential outcomes and ways to stock up both materials and knowledge, the latter being primarily for sharing purposes. You said you have enough supplies for a year, which seems to be the common consensus around here. The 'bunker' mentality hasn't percolated through anyone's words thus far, so I'm not sure why your words are so indicative of that mentality being pervasive.

 

[wv2win]

you assume and guess a lot.I am only pointing this out to get a grasp as to how you want to come across, or if you are praticing to be a fortune teller.If you want to spread fear for some reason that the vaping world is going to be shut down this could by all means be your magical mountain to do it on.Why your at it they have some cans of dry food that will fit in a bunker also.To suggest that I am a pushing to break the law is laughable.

The original question on the thread was "should we be stocking up?", my answer was within reason ,not like an end of days person in a bunker in some three person mountain top preaching with snakes.

Point is if your new (this is the new member section), buy enough for your comfort level but know that there have been a lot of end of vaping times thruout the years. Last post in the thread for me, hope that helps someone.

So you are saying because vaping was almost banned in the US by the FDA before and both consumers and suppliers shipments were confiscated, it probably won't happen again, so don't be too concerned.

Any "reasonable" person, who has done the research on those aligned against vaping and the FDA's past and current position/actions, would take seriously the threat to vaping as we know it. As has been pointed out several times in this thread, there are experts on Harm Reduction and Tobacco Control, with decades of knowledge and experience on this issue, who have told us that the threat is serious. But if somehow they are all wrong and you have years of experience and knowledge in the field of Tobacco Control and Harm Reduction with supporting evidence that will allow us all to "breath easier", please share that information with us.