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The OP didn't mention anything about whether or not this thread was about clones or originals.
Sorry if I missed that.
It's fine, but try to understand that clones are a slap in the face of the mod maker, and this thread is a celebration of Pedro - the man and his creation.
Cloning is like stealing someone's poem and publishing it under your own name.
It would be one thing if they just ripped off his build style. But they took his logo and even his signature. They took a man's SIGNATURE. Think about it.
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Cloning is like stealing someone's poem and publishing it under your own name.
It would be one thing if they just ripped off his build style. But they took his logo and even his signature. They took a man's SIGNATURE. Think about it.
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I can't edit or delete the post that I posted a photo of my Caravela clone ... The time has been too long. The 'Edit' button is now gone.
Again, if the OP just wanted for this thread to be about original Caravela's, why didn't he state that? He never mentioned that the post he started was in "celebration" of Pedro.
Again, if the OP just wanted for this thread to be about original Caravela's, why didn't he state that? He never mentioned that the post he started was in "celebration" of Pedro.
This is a thread for Caravela's. The item you show is a counterfeit, far worse than the clone without the logo.
Simply put, counterfeits are not Caravela's but some other thing masquerading as something else logos and all. I would think that since ECF rules specifically state they are not to be put in the classifieds they certainly wouldn't qualify to be put here in the Caravela thread and one shouldn't need to be told that counterfeits don't belong.
Here is what Joker has to say on the matter:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=366198&p=12750396#post12750396
Posted by: j0ker
On: 04-04-2014 09:56 PM
For those who may not be aware, counterfeit rules apply to all ads posted in the
Classifieds and CO-OP sections. This does include want and trade ads. We've
noticed a few want ads asking for counterfeit devices, these ads will be closed
when found.
We must all understand, ECF does not condone theft in any shape or form and
counterfeiters are theives. So please do not sell, trade, ask for, or create a
discussion in CO-OPs, anything considered to be counterfeit merchandise. Repeat
offenders will find themselves without access to the Classified and CO-OP
section.
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Here is another post by Joker defining the difference between clones and counterfeits:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s/366198-classifieds-blog-2.html#post12623478
Generic shaped items
There are only so many ways to build a tube APV or a Rebuildable Atomizer.
Items that are so generic of shape that if they don't have the logos on them to make them counterfeits, they will be permitted as "Clones".
Due to the amount of a certain well known rebuildable atomizer clone appearing, if yours is a clone and not a counterfeit, you must post a clear picture of the bottom of the atomizer to prove there are no markings.
Reminder :
If your "Clone" has the markings of the maker any where on it, it is a counterfeit and not permitted.
If your "Clone" is of something that is distinctive by shape / design, it is a counterfeit and not permitted.
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It doesn't need to be stated, this thread is for Caravelas, and as vsummer1 so eloquently put, your device is not a Caravela...
And here is the definition of a clone right from the ECF classifieds subforum:
Bold emphasis mine. So before you jump up on your high horse and scream counterfeit based on the ECF definitions remember you've just pointed out how they differ from the real thing. Which by the definition above means they are clones and not counterfeit.
That all being said any misunderstanding would have been avoided had the OP explicitly stated that no clones were to be talked about in the thread.
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Bold emphasis mine. So before you jump up on your high horse and scream counterfeit based on the ECF definitions remember you've just pointed out how they differ from the real thing. Which by the definition above means they are clones and not counterfeit.
That all being said any misunderstanding would have been avoided had the OP explicitly stated that no clones were to be talked about in the thread.
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Regardless of the definition of the device being a clone, counterfeit or a bowl of soup, it is NOT a Caravela. This thread is for Caravelas... Plain and simple.
Well, I am so very very sorry I posted a photo of my fake Caravela. I had no intention of offending anyone here.
The deal is ... There are so many posts made here on ECF that are of fake items including atomizers and mods, that I didn't think that this particular thread was only for authentic Caravelas.
Had the OP made the subject "Show off your authentic Caravelas" ... I would have never posted a photo of my fake Caravela.
I have an authentic Kayfun, but I don't get ......-off if someone posts a photo of there Kayfun clone, along with a Kayfun logo imprinted on the side of it.
Again, I really am sorry I posted a photo of a cheap Chinese knock-off of a Caravela in a thread that was obviously intended only for real Caravelas ... Again, the OP was not specific.
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I don't know why vsummer1 would want to remind me of this: We must all understand, ECF does not condone theft in any shape or form and
counterfeiters are theives. So please do not sell, trade, ask for, or create a
discussion in CO-OPs, anything considered to be counterfeit merchandise. Repeat
offenders will find themselves without access to the Classified and CO-OP
section.
I have never even posted in CO-OP / Classifieds .... What does posting in CO-OP / Classified have to do with this thread in the APV forum?
The deal is ... There are so many posts made here on ECF that are of fake items including atomizers and mods, that I didn't think that this particular thread was only for authentic Caravelas.
Had the OP made the subject "Show off your authentic Caravelas" ... I would have never posted a photo of my fake Caravela.
I have an authentic Kayfun, but I don't get ......-off if someone posts a photo of there Kayfun clone, along with a Kayfun logo imprinted on the side of it.
Again, I really am sorry I posted a photo of a cheap Chinese knock-off of a Caravela in a thread that was obviously intended only for real Caravelas ... Again, the OP was not specific.
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I don't know why vsummer1 would want to remind me of this: We must all understand, ECF does not condone theft in any shape or form and
counterfeiters are theives. So please do not sell, trade, ask for, or create a
discussion in CO-OPs, anything considered to be counterfeit merchandise. Repeat
offenders will find themselves without access to the Classified and CO-OP
section.
I have never even posted in CO-OP / Classifieds .... What does posting in CO-OP / Classified have to do with this thread in the APV forum?
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Tell you what .... If the photo of my fake / clone / imitation / non-authentic / counterfeit / knock-off / etc 'Caravela' bothers you folks so much ... get a mod to delete it ... ok?
Again, I cannot delete or modify my post because there is no "Edit" button any longer under my post.
Again, I cannot delete or modify my post because there is no "Edit" button any longer under my post.
I realize you meant no harm. The harm came when someone copied the design in order to make money, and hopefully you didn't buy it thinking it was a Caravela. That would have been a travesty! No you didn't post in the classies, but the very same feelings that Joker has about counterfeits would obviously apply here. I was merely using the CURRENT definition, posted within the last week by Joker. I pointed it out because you are posting a picture of something that was directly meant to copy Pedro's design, up to and including logos but without the fine craftsmanship.
When this thread was started, there was no such thievery of Pedro's Caravela going on. It would never have occurred to the OP to have to point out that fakes don't belong in a thread celebrating the beauty of Pedro's design and craftsmanship. "Show off your Caravela" should have covered that.
He was just trying to help you to understand the way counterfeit merchandise is viewed in general by many on this forum, and certainly by Caravela lovers. Caravelas are pieces of art made by a wonderful soul who cares about people and infuses his spirit into everything he does. What I'm saying is - they are so more than just metal tubes.
Please know that I did not intend to start a big to-do, and I hold no rancor toward you. I just thought we should keep this thread pure... it's getting harder and harder to do.
The Chinese copy just about everything associated with vape supplies. And they could care less if they also engrave the original logo on there fake item.
I guess Pedro should have copyrighted his logo in the first place, but it's obviously too late in the game for that now ... The Chinese have more than likely sold hundreds of thousands of fake Caravela's by now, just like the fake Nemesis, Kayfuns, Russians and all the fakes they have manufactured in the past, and will continue to manufacture well into the future. Some people will tell you ... "Why should I pay 300 bucks when I can get something that looks almost as good, and works almost as well as the original for 30 dollars" ... it's just a fact of life.
They even now have clones of the clones! Nothing you can do about it other than to let it get your blood pressure up, which does you no good at all.
I guess Pedro should have copyrighted his logo in the first place, but it's obviously too late in the game for that now ... The Chinese have more than likely sold hundreds of thousands of fake Caravela's by now, just like the fake Nemesis, Kayfuns, Russians and all the fakes they have manufactured in the past, and will continue to manufacture well into the future. Some people will tell you ... "Why should I pay 300 bucks when I can get something that looks almost as good, and works almost as well as the original for 30 dollars" ... it's just a fact of life.
They even now have clones of the clones! Nothing you can do about it other than to let it get your blood pressure up, which does you no good at all.
Please know that I did not intend to start a big to-do, and I hold no rancor toward you.
I just thought we should keep this thread pure... it's getting harder and harder to do.
That's fine with me .... Maybe you can get a mod to delete some of the posts here so this thread can remain 'pure'.
Again, had the OP stated that this thread he started was for authentic Caravelas only, that would have been better ... but he failed to do that (and others here like myself, can't read his mind).
Very nice Vwls. dspin's/your 058 along with Phillip's 178 & 179 are directly responsible my purchasing 463. Nice to see it passed on to such a deserving member of the Caravela family.
As someone mentioned, at the time this thread began clones and counterfeits weren't around yet. So there was no way the OP could have/would have thought to mention it.
But if you know even a little about Caravelas, you would understand why placing that photo here is like bringing a bottle of MD 20/20 to a fine wine tasting.
Thanks for the lovely sentiment, and may I say it was the same for me. It was 179 that captured me that first moment the love affair began. This was the photo:
There's been so many great images it's hard to say which grabbed my attention first. I can say this is the one that sealed the deal for me:
The photo is hosted on your Photobucket account. Just delete the image if you want it to disappear here. Renaming it should do it and you'll prevent losing the image from your account.
Just saying...
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