Single vs. Dual coil?

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I had a 2.4 ohm single coil and was getting great vapor production so I thought, why not double my pleasure but now I am running a dual coil at 1.2 ohms and seems exactly the same vapor and more ramp up time, what are the advantages of dual coil? Would it help to go down to .5 ohms for more vapor? The flavor is excellent.

I am using 28 g kanthal with 11 wraps on each coil, have some 24g coming monday and want to experiment with that.
 

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I like to use single coils in my Magma and Zenith. I run them around .55-.65 mostly for when I'm out and about or at my office. Flavors great as well as battery life. I do prefer dual coils because I like warm vapor and find the flavor better. Most of my dual coil builds run around .19 to .35 depending on what I'm looking for at the time. I use 24g Gplat wire almost exclusively for my dual coil builds.

Be careful with the 24g until you get use to it. Make sure you check your ohms before you vape on a new build.
 

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Chris Eller:13763342 said:
I had a 2.4 ohm single coil and was getting great vapor production so I thought, why not double my pleasure but now I am running a dual coil at 1.2 ohms and seems exactly the same vapor and more ramp up time, what are the advantages of dual coil? Would it help to go down to .5 ohms for more vapor? The flavor is excellent.

I am using 28 g kanthal with 11 wraps on each coil, have some 24g coming monday and want to experiment with that.

Frankly, yes. If you try dual coils, 8-wraps, you'll come it around 0.6 ohms and you'll be impressed. I've not been impressed with dual coils over 1 ohm. I'm running a Fogger at the moment with duals at 1.2ohm and it's weak unless I crank up the wattage. IMO, to run duals, you almost have to run sub-ohm.

The 24ga will take a long time to glow, so the wraps will have to be few.
 

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Frankly, yes. If you try dual coils, 8-wraps, you'll come it around 0.6 ohms and you'll be impressed. I've not been impressed with dual coils over 1 ohm. I'm running a Fogger at the moment with duals at 1.2ohm and it's weak unless I crank up the wattage. IMO, to run duals, you almost have to run sub-ohm.

Thank you, this clears up some questions I had. Other than a hotter vape I never noticed a difference, so I went back to single coils.
 

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I was about to open a new thread but since this one is quite recent and my question is pretty simple, I didn't want to pollute the forum more than needed:

What is the real difference between a dual and a single coil build? I'm not an engineer but the only thing I can see is that a dual coil will last longer as the same power is distributed by twice as much material and since it won't get nearly as hot, the coils will last longer. Of course one could think that one could achieve the same thing by running less watts through a single coil but the surface area of a dual coil is much higher so basically what I see is that one would get the same amount of vapor with a dual coil than with a single coil but at a lower temperature hence greater durability. Is this correct?

I rebuilt two kanger heads in dual coil mode and I was quite happy for over a week. Tonight I decided to rebuild another head but this time I made a single coil instead of dual but made sure to use the same amount of wicking so that the pressure would be the same and avoid gurgling or dry hits. Right now, its producing the same amount of vapor as my dual coils, same flavor but the single coil fires up quicker (obviously). I'm also pretty sure that the single coil will last less than the dual coil setup but, if it lasts a week, thats more than enough for me... I rebuild them in under 10 minutes anyway. Bottom line... why dual coil instead of single coil?

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PS: I'm using 32awg kanthal on both setups. I do have 28 gauge wire but as it is thicker, it takes more time to heat up (I'm using VW anyway) so I don't like it as much.
 

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I was about to open a new thread but since this one is quite recent and my question is pretty simple, I didn't want to pollute the forum more than needed:

What is the real difference between a dual and a single coil build?

Well, the easiest real difference is 2 coils instead of one. Simple as that. What I think you're asking if I read your right is what is the qualitative difference. Thats a longer answer that is partly subjective, but I will try and address it.

I find the sweet spot is as a prior poster says, .28ga kanthal, 8 wraps for each coil. I use cotton and I am careful not to over wick and I don't micro coil.

If it comes out to around 0.6ohms, you've got the resistance right. Second, you do need a decent mod to power the coils as you don't want a long heat up time. When I use the 7-22 with a fresh battery, it goes up to 22.5W and then drops to around 17W-19W. You can probably look at a chart to figure out the wattage or voltage you need to power that coil setup.

The difference (and I am no engineer either, this is my experience, YMMV), is really surface area. If you get it wicked properly it will give you more surface area exposed to a hot surface, which vaporizes more juice with a single hit. One word of warning, it will cut into your juice supply as you vaporize juice faster with the additional heated surface area.

The result is a higher density and volume of vapor, and possibly hotter. I find it also improves flavor delivery but it may vary from juice to juice. Keep in mind it will also (theoretically) deliver more nic in one pull, so if you're a 12mg'er on a normal setup, you may suddenly find yourself getting a nic-buzz. If you don't like that, dial it back to 8mg or 6mg until you feel you're getting the right amount. Or you may not like it at all, and go back to single coils like some people here mentioned. Vaping is so subjective, when someone asks "why" you do something, its usually to obtain a result that you subjectively enjoy - it doesn't necessarily mean its "good" or "better".

Just to address the hotter. I like a warm vape and I hate getting seared. This has to do with your rebuildable and the mod. My 7-22 and my manhattan are heat sinks. The ZNA30 and the eVics are not. If the tank has good surface contact with a metal mod, it helps dissipate the heat better. I also have a tall drip tip I can use that helps with that, but, it also loses some vapor as it condenses against the longer travel of the inside diameter of the tip.

My latest addition is a Big Buddha which I love for tank size, ease of dual coil build and the sheer mass of the tank as a heat sink - there is just more of it. If I did that build in a Kayfun or the Russian, I have to ensure my mod is a good heat sink or I am using the long drip tip. Again, some of this is subjective but, if you build it and get a hotter tasting vape than you like, those are my solutions.

The nice thing about rebuilding, is if you're organized and patient, you can experiment and find what you like through multiple builds. I keep a build diary and rate it so I can go back to what worked, and more importantly, logged the failures so I don't forget and repeat it.

Most of all, have FUN with it. If its not fun, there are better things to do with your time.
 
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One other thing I should mention, make sure you have a mod and battery that can push that power safely and effectively to that dual coil setup.

Regulated mods have taken a lot of the guesswork and risk out of subohming as well as battery chemistry. My 7-22, ZNA30 and my SX350 box provide the right power. I have a Manhattan Copper and a Hades clone that are mechnical, so in those cases I pay attention to the battery, but the higher power regulated mods are the way to go in my opinion if you're new to subohm and want good, safe power delivery. I used the VTC5 and have not had a problem. The 26650 is an MKE IMR bat and is a safe way to go for the 7-22 and the Hades. Good batteries make good friends.
 

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Thx for the explanation. So basically, if you work with a fixed wattage like say 10W, you're not going to notice anything special. the dual coil setup will probably perform even worse because the same (limited) energy will be dissipated through two coils instead of one. Like I suspected, when you do increase the wattage, the dual coils will out perform the single coil because of the surface area and the amount of atomized eliquid in a single draw.

I'm using a mini zMax with max output of 15W (18350 700mAh cell) btw so I don't think I will gain much with a dual coil setup. I've been using a couple of rebuilds like that and they do vape nice but not better than a single coil setup.

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Tony
 
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