My goal in converting from smoking to vaping was to mitigate as much risk as I can, and that's also a promise I made to my family. Because of that, I personally try to avoid frequent vaping of flavors that are likely to contain larger quantities of it, simply to mitigate risk... as hard as that is, because custard-type flavors are just wonderful.
Appreciated your post.
Using this quoted portion to continue to dialogue.
My understanding from Farsalino's work is that diacetyl is in a whole lot more than custard-type flavors and is not something that is added. Instead it is natural byproduct for many flavors. It can be removed (and thus avoided). If anyone wishes to avoid it, I respect that decision. But when anyone suggests the industry must avoid it, I feel it is ripe for discussion/debate and the same hard hitting questions that are applied to "why include diacetyl in a vape when it can just as easily be removed?" ought to be applied.
My questioning on this topic does wonder how well studied any/all replacement substances are. It seems like it is simply "anything is better than inhaling diacetyl" is the pervasive thinking, when it is plausible that there could be many things worse than inhaling diacetyl.
I also question how a vaper would know for sure what is in their vape. I actually contend this point with what I consider to be actual science and not faith. I think many have faith (or trust) in lab reports done by third party. I think that is fine, but ought to be understood as closer to faith than science. My contention is that unless you are willing / able to do own lab studies, then you won't know for sure. Thus ultimate responsibility for making sound decision rests on each individual with this sort of concern, and not on industry trying to cater to the health whims of each and every consumer. I observe that many concerned vapers don't like this consideration because they are either unable or unwilling to pay for each and every flavor (and every batch) to be tested. So, much easier (for them) to have someone else pay for it. And yet, so much less scientific to then claim "they know for sure now" what is in their eLiquid. I do not think the overwhelming majority knows (for sure) what is in their own tap water, and yet seemingly want higher standard, paid for by someone other than themselves, to be applied to eLiquid.
To what end?
The risk factor is front and center on this topic. The previous 2 points address it, and this next point I make, IMO, cuts to the chase for what is really at stake. If you went from smoking to vaping to mitigate risks, then I think that is respectful, but is also something that ought to remain personal, not broadcast as "what makes vaping better." Instead, we now live in a shared reality where vape enthusiasts are constantly touting the idea that vaping is (around) 98% safer than smoking. Never mind the fact that ANTZ could've been (I would say very likely) lying about data on smoking. People have own memories about how unhealthy smoking seemed, but again, never mind the fact that they were heavy/abusive smokers.
I'm struggling a bit to make this point concisely, but it contains these main sub-points:
- don't broadcast that vaping is safer than smoking
- do realize that some vapers see it as a recreational activity that has zero to do with smoking cessation
- do realize that there will always be a risk associated with vaping
- do realize that for ANTZ and most of general public, cold turkey will best match the idea of mitigating risks from smoking
If vaping today is 98% safer, and that figure is established, then let's be very conservative and say it is 75% at very least safer. That would mean that with diacetyl in vape stuff, it is safer than smoking. Are the people who are against diacetyl in their vapes looking for greater safety? Greater than 98%? Hoping to achieve 100% safety? To me, you've either already mitigated the risk, or the percentage of 'safer than cigarettes' is a lie that we tell ourselves, but also feel very comfortable broadcasting it, for reasons that don't make much sense to me.
Such a claim just begs a certain type of researcher (let's call them ANTZ-leaning) to prove that wrong. I observe they are so far failing, but also have not stopped trying. I don't believe they will ever stop trying for as long as vapers or industry is hanging their hat on the safer/safety peg.
Imagine if in actuality RJR today came out with a combustible smoke that was (actually) less dangerous than all other cigarettes to date. And they kept claiming how much safer it was. Think ANTZ wouldn't love to prove them wrong? Think general public would care a whole lot that now there is a safer cigarette on the market? Now, imagine if this new RJR product tasted better, puffed better, and was generally more liked by the consumers who chose it. Some of those who don't care, even a little bit, that it is safer. To them, that's just window dressing and/or icing on the cake. They enjoy the product for what it is when using it, not for what it is supposed to be in comparison to other products. Still think anyone in general public will think they are now engaged in a 'more healthy' activity?
I really do think the enjoyment factor of vaping goes down a notch (or ten) when it is constantly having to defend itself as "safer than smoking." Then that gets compounded by incessant desire to try and make it even more safe. If we start at point of 75% safer, why not be satisfied with that for industry standard? Why keep pushing the idea that it must be more safe than what it is right now (which is said to be 98% safer than smoking)?
Hopefully, in this wall of text, I've made my point. I would just add that if we are pushing for 'ultimate safety' in whatever way that is deemed practical, that we realize we might actually produce a product that would be safe enough for people under 18 to use and thus not have that added political trap on our docket. Otherwise, I'm still unclear as to what end this push for ultimate safety is all about? If you truly, 100% cared about safety, you'd truly 100% consider going cold turkey and/or broadcast that message with regards to "why vape at all?" You'd probably also show up as a little ANTZ-like if you were advocating for stop vaping ASAP. But as things stand now where safety is put on a pedestal and enjoyment factor is downplayed, it kinda sorta seems like ANTZ is having you view this product in the way they would like it to be viewed.
TL;DR
I think I may enjoy vaping diacetyl in my eLiquid that is deemed 98% safer than smoking. Why would you, anyone, seek to change that?