If I come to your house and ask if your tap water contains thus and so, are you going to know with 100% certainty what's in there? Granted, this isn't same thing, but is essentially same principle. We aren't talking about an ingredient, but a chemical component, and one that is literally feeding into ANTZ hysteria around eCigs.
That you and other vapers have serious issues with this is something I can respect up to a point. That point becomes something I want to debate you on if you are thinking it needs to be presented with stark terms to appease you. I say do your own testing, pay the $200 per batch and drop the fear mongering. It is not becoming of a vaping enthusiast.
The weird thing is: I havent seen anyone in this thread say anything along the line: the industry needs to clean up its act and test their liquids properly etc. Or: it shouldn’t be in any liquids.
Ive only seen people say: I don’t want to vape it, period.
Yet even that apparently seems to irritate you or you even criticise those people.
To me that’s the whole world upside down.
I don’t tell you what to vape, and I’d appreciate it you don’t tell me what to vape.
I refuse to become deaf, dumb and blind concerning vaping, just because of antz hysteria.
Vaping is a great thing, it is a lot safer than smoking, but it can still be made safer.
I bought my first e-cigarette 7 years ago and if I compare that piece of crap with what I use now, there’s been a tremendous improvement already. I’m sure that development will continue.
Now about my personal dislike for diacetyl and other diketones:
I used to vape custards all day long and I somehow didn’t feel very well. Here I was defending vaping as much as I could and yet I had a lot of health issues. I had problems breathing deep, got out of breath quickly while walking etc.
Just by accident I heard about diacetyl and I decided to start reading up on diacetyl and then I switched to a liquid with a very low amount of flavor and with enough testing done to it (in the right lab etc) to assure me it had no diacetyl (and the substances related to it) in it.
Within two weeks all my health issues disappeared.
Does that prove anything? Nope, it might have been purely coincidence. But to me it has only confirmed what I already read and heard about diacetyl.
And again: this is my safety, my health, my body.
This is all purely personal, how you wish to vape and what you wish to vape.
I’ve been a very heavy smoker for 35 years and I am very aware my lungs are probably a horrible mess because of it. Because of that I don’t want to take any avoidable risk with vaping.
I don’t see that as fear mongering, I see that as using my brains. And I’ll keep using my brains when vaping, no matter how people are now using Antz hysteria as an argument to vapers to become deaf, dumb and blind. If Antz are picking up on this diacetyl story its because the liquid industry has refused to clean up its act in the past few years. And yes they were warned for this.
And btw: yes it needs to be presented with very stark terms or I won’t buy the liquid. The industry sells something; they should test it and display the test results for all to see. We’d ask that from any industry, then why not ask the same basic info from the liquid industry.
Those of us that are concerned about diacetyl can simply buy their liquids from those liquid makers we trust and who already display those test results.
As long as I can see the results, I can make my own decision which liquid I’ll buy and which I won’t buy. Enough liquid makers already do this, so I don’t see why that would bother you.
And you dont have to agree with a single word I just posted. Maybe you’ll think I’m a nutcase (might be true but that’s another story.
). You can vape diacetyl as much as you like, but I’d appreciate it if you don’t tell me what I should vape or what is or what isn’t becoming of a vaping enthusiast.
That's just reprehensible. A tiny bit is still more than none, which is the amount I prefer. This is the main reason I decided to take up full-scale DIY; the flavor vendors are (mostly) being proactive about either removing diketones, or making variations of established flavors without diketones, which seems more trustworthy to me than a "famous" very-popular juice maker saying there are no diketones in there, and then lying about it when they are found. If they're willing to lie about that... what else are they lying about? A natural question, when faced with an outright lie.
