Smoke free Wisconsin Opposes Smoke Free Electronic Cigarettes

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I apologize :oops: I didn't word that as well as it could have been.

I inferred my quoted numbers were part of the FDA report. The info comes from a rebuttal to the FDA report...

Here is the rebuttal info I was referring to:

http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/07/comparison.html

-bogie

Bogie, I wasn't calling you out on this. I was wondering. If you had access to the study that the FDA used for their July dog and pony show. I read it a while back but when I went back to take a look at it a couple days ago it was no longer available. I was hoping you knew where the report might still be available.
 

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Bogie, I wasn't calling you out on this. I was wondering. If you had access to the study that the FDA used for their July dog and pony show. I read it a while back but when I went back to take a look at it a couple days ago it was no longer available. I was hoping you knew where the report might still be available.

The FDA "Final Report" dated May 4 is here: http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/ScienceResearch/UCM173250.pdf

Exponent Lab's critical review of the FDA report is here:

http://www.e-cig.org/pdfs/Response-to-the-FDA-Summary.pdf
 

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I sent the following:



Dear Sir or Madam,

You may be interested in the attached scientific study related to the public and private health benefits to be gained through the use of e-cigarettes.

The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: Comparison of Carcinogen Levels Shows that Electronic Cigarettes are Much Safer Than Conventional Ones

In addition to the findings in this attachment, you may wish to note that e-cigarettes produce no smell, no litter and - most important - no second-hand smoke. As these are the main complaints about smoking raised by most non-smokers, it is not clear why your organization would not embrace the e-cigarette as an alternative to traditional cigarettes and as a cessation aid.

I would be grateful for any clarification you may be able to provide concerning your organization's goals with respect to this matter.
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Mac,

Your message is worth quoting in its entirety, and let me be the first to do the honors.

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Thank you. I have written similar letters to almost every level of state and federal government, I can think of. In most cases I backed the email up with a hand written hard copy. The few who have bothered to reply behaved as though they didn't understand english. I have also made several similar phone calls. Clearly they don't want to hear us. It seems they don't care.
But why? In the face of surmounting evidence and real world results. With so many doctors coming forward and reporting drastically improved respiratory function in their 40 year smoker patients (in many cases within as little as a few months of using e-cigs) I am forced to ask why? The only answer I can see is that they value the tax dollar over human life. It hurts me deeply to see our government and these so called "public health groups" behaving in this corrupt, unethical manner. Unchecked and fully funded by us the american taxpayers. It is truly a tragedy. More of us need to speak out.
 

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Shot out my email just now. Here it is in its entirety. Sorry for the length. Please let me know how I did:oops:


Good morning Maureen,
Having just read the article about your organizations stance on e-cigarettes, I find it appalling. Isnt the name of your organization, "SMOKE FREE Wisconsin"? I am beside myself trying to comprehend why you, the FDA, The American Lung Assoc., The American Heart Assoc., and numerous other anti-smoking outfits are not acknowledging the e-cig as a potential life saver.
Do we (and I say "we" because I am one among the thousands of e-cig users who have completely stopped smoking FDA approved cigarettes which are known for their uncanny ability to kill people) need further testing of this device? Yes. Has there been studies already done on the device? Yes. Does that mean that a device needs to be outright banned and removed from the marketplace? I think not. Its my belief, and the belief of those who use personal vaporizers, that you as a public service organization are doing smokers who want to quit, smokers who want an alternative, and the free thinking adults in your state a grave disservice by taking a negative position in regards to this little piece of electronics.
The "quit or die" mentality has got to stop Maureen. And it can stop with the likes of the company who you work for. Bill Godshall, Executive Director of Smokefree Pennsylvania recognizes the potential to save lives with this device, despite its rather ambiguous enterance into the marketplace. It exists, and its working for those who give try it.
Your article is no different, in my view, than any other media outlet in its unfair reporting of facts. You will cite the half hearted testing of the FDA, and report its findings to be toxic, and containing ingredients that are used in anti-freeze. That will turn some heads wont it? Absolutley biased journalism. Why did you not mention that the same ingredient that you refernce as being in anti-freeze is also in some of the food we eat? Why did you fail to mention that the other "toxic" ingredient is the very same thing already found in those FDA approved tobacco cigarettes, but a much SMALLER amount? I know why, because that kind of reporting is fair and unbiased, clearly a practice your organization is unwilling to do for the sake of the community you claim to care about.
Why did you not, along side of your negative stance, report that thousands of people have been using this device for a varying degree of time and have completely stopped smoking, and that this information is readily available to anyone by simply logging onto the ECF (electronic cigarette forum)and asking those members? Most of these adults quit tobacco by accident and were only looking for a smoking alternative. Why did you not report the horrid succsess rates of FDA approved NRT's? Why did you mention nicotine as so dangerous, yet fail to report that its basically no worse than caffeine? (I can only assume that you and no one in smokefree Wisconsin eats tomatoes... nicotine is in them too.) Why did you fail to report that almost all vendors and suppliers of e-cigarettes are actually complying with advertising regulations regarding health claims, as well as placing restrictions on underage sales? Instead, you focus on the few that are not. I can assure you, as time goes on, the integrity of the electronic cigarette, and its manufacturers, suppliers, vandors and users will surpass that of its adversaries, as evidenced by your stance on the issue.
From your organizations website banner: "Preserving the right to live and breathe tobacco free". I am doing just that since I've sarted using the e-cigarette, I can thank you and those like you, for trying to take that right away.
My best,
-Pete xxxxxxxxx, e-cig user and FORMER SMOKER.
I think this is very well written and makes an undeniably valid point or two.
 

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Smoke Free Wisconsin now as the dubious honer of winning the Lie of the Year award from "The Rest Of The Story" (Michael Siegel blog). This is for their story on e-cigs that claimed e-cigs where a blot by BT to get the children to start smoking.

The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: The Rest of the Story Announces the 2009 Lie of the Year Award and the Pants on Fire Runner-Up Awards for 2009

They have now started deleting critical comments I've been leaving on there Facebook page. As usual for tobacco control groups like this open debate and discussion are not allowed. SFW has become a tragic parody of what tobacco control has become. Basically a corrupt group of thugs with suitcases full of money rolling in from drug companies. All PR with no interest in public health.
 

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Interesting, I just visited their Facebook site. A post was on their wall dismayed at the FDA being over ruled regarding the e-cig. The note states: " If you say a product is a cessation device it is a drug. If you say this is a healthier alternative it is a medical device. " (In reference to e-cigs not being classified as a drug or medical device)

I hereby propose we put all organic food, trans-fat free food, toluene free nail polish and natural hair dye on the block as "medical devices"

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" -Thomas Jefferson-
 

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The director of Smokefree Wisconsin is Maureen Busalacchi, and her e-mail is sfw@smokefreewi.org

I urge e-cigarette users to send her an e-mail letting her know that you quit smoking by switching to e-cigarettes.
I did e-mail her as you suggested, it's to bad they put tabacco revenue above health.
 

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Thanx for the link. I just bacame a "fan";) and posted a comment...positive, friendly an informative.

I see someone else posted a comment in favor of e-cigs as well!

Glad you joined the party over at Smoke Free Wisconsin. I've been leaving comments there for some time. It's been a bit lonely. You left a good comment and happy to see you kept it at a high level. We have to do what we can to challenge and educate these people.

A great majority of it's members have no clue as to what harm reduction is. The people of Wisconsin are pretty sensible and level headed as a whole (must be these cold winters). If they know what the truth is I have faith they'll come around.
 
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