60 Minutes on CNBC is doing a story on inventors. They started the story talking about SNUS and following around a dual user of SNUS and cigs. They also talk about harm reduction.
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Though I flipped over to CNBC too late to catch that segment, it appears this episode is a repeat of a show first aired in February:
#8 The Inventors : Tuesday, February 22nd:
(HD)- Show Code: CNMIN10800KH
Going Smokeless
With the rise in smoking bans and the plunge in cigarette sales, companies like R.J. Reynold and Philip Morris introduce new, hip, smokeless tobacco products.
So, RJ Reynold and Philip Morris are in the harm-reduction arena? I'm such a newbie -- wasn't aware of this. I'm curious; are they already into producing e-cigs?
#8 The Inventors : Tuesday, February 22nd:
(HD)- Show Code: CNMIN10800KH
Going Smokeless
With the rise in smoking bans and the plunge in cigarette sales, companies like R.J. Reynold and Philip Morris introduce new, hip, smokeless tobacco products.
So, RJ Reynold and Philip Morris are in the harm-reduction arena? I'm such a newbie -- wasn't aware of this. I'm curious; are they already into producing e-cigs?
They make PV's but aren't currently marketing/selling them. They sell SNUS and dissolvable's but can't market them as harm reduction. The usual argument was used against harm reduction. They also threw in that it leads to dual users which might cause more harm. People are still addicted. They also did the dissolvable's look like candy bit.
The user they followed kept SNUS in his mouth while he brushed his teeth. Perfect candidate for a segment on harm reduction don't you think?
The user they followed kept SNUS in his mouth while he brushed his teeth. Perfect candidate for a segment on harm reduction don't you think?
Clearly, the guy was absent that day in second grade when the teacher went over proper teeth-brushing techniques.
I was hoping the segment was favorable, but apparently not so much....
This post reminded me of something. It's not this show (I can't find the 60 minutes show for viewing on CNBC's site) but this is IMO an interesting CNBC documentary if you have the time to watch it - Cigarette Wars - CNBC Covers various issues around tobacco for example the rise of the illicit cigarette trade.
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CASAA has a copy of this 60 Minutes segment on our YouTube Channel: CASAAmedia's Channel - YouTube
Well for one thing the american snus can't be labeled harm reduction because it's made almost the same way as snuf/dip. Camel snus is not meant to be used for long periods, just to hold you over until you can smoke again, it has so much sugar it'll rot your teeth. The only snus made for replacing cigarettes is the Swedish brands, they have enough nic and the other stuff it makes it real easy. As far as the 60 Minutes segment I still wonder how long and how far she had to look to find that goober.
I just watched this again, and this time I was shocked. The first time through, I had no idea who Karla Sneegas is. However, now I do. She was the woman that PlaceboEffect talked about that was a panelist on the "Comparisons of MRTPs to other Products" panel at the FDA Public Workshop on Modified Risk Tobacco Products that we attended. Her last words were "Do no harm." PlaceboEffect pointed out that she was on a modified risk panel.
The "Do no harm" directive has been perverted to mean "If you can't reduce harm by 100%, promote the option that reduces harm by 0%." What people who hide behind this statement fail to realize is that it is not limited to meaning "The doctor should not take any direct action that harms the patient." It also means that the doctor should not withhold treatment that would help the patient.
So she serves on this panel as an expert on the comparisons of snus, dissolvables, etc. to smoking.... but in the 60 Minutes program, she said "We don't know" numerous times. How does this make her an expert?
I don't know anything about astrophysics. Maybe I can be considered an expert and serve on a panel about astrophysics.
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Where are you getting your information from? I spoke with a chemist who works for RJR and asked him about the Camel snus. He tells me that it is processed in the same way as the Swedish products (not fermented) and that it doesn't contain sugar. It is sweetened with sucralose.
"The newest version of Camel snus contains 8mg of nicotine per pouch, according to an RJ Reynolds spokesman." http://tobaccoproducts.org/index.php/Camel_Snus
According to this site, the General snus products range from 6 mg up to 14 mg of nicotine. So whether Camel delivers less depends which specific product you are making a comparison to.
http://www.generalsnus.co.uk/
I think that as far as harm goes, the Camel product is no more dangerous than the Swedish. It's all a matter of personal preference. The Swedish product definitely tastes salty, where the Camel was formulated for the U.S. pallette, which prefers things to be a little sweeter.
As far as Goober goes, she should have asked how many cigarettes per day he smoked before he took up using snus.
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I have quite a few cans of Camel SNUS lying around here and in various places and vehicles. I buy them when I forget my travel can and don't happen to have any stored in what I'm travelling in. When I do HAVE TO use Camel, I don't notice any lack of what keeps me content and I rather like the taste as a change of pace.
That being said, I definitely enjoy the various flavors available with Swedish snus much more and I think I prefer the salty flavor more that the sweetness. I have heard some complain about having tooth decay from the SNUS, but I wonder about that as I do some of the comments in the health section on nicquid issues.
Plus, we Americans don't make General Mint which is the s**ts.
That being said, I definitely enjoy the various flavors available with Swedish snus much more and I think I prefer the salty flavor more that the sweetness. I have heard some complain about having tooth decay from the SNUS, but I wonder about that as I do some of the comments in the health section on nicquid issues.
Plus, we Americans don't make General Mint which is the s**ts.
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