Smoking Everywhere and FDA approval

[MonkeyMonk]

Due to this post I started checking out Smoking Everywhere. I found these interesting links:
WireImage: Listings
(note the co-owner is listed as Ferdinand Bare)
www.smokingeverywhere.com estimated worth and web stat from Cubestat (note the owner field is left blank)
https://www.actorsandcrew.com/g?t=liveprofile_basics&uid=4261 (from this link he is 42 and lives at zipcode 90046)
Mailbox Map Mashup: 90046 zip code (LOS ANGELES, CA) USPS Mailbox and Post Office Locations (90046 comes up to this area in LosAngeles)

Don't know if anyone can find out more about the company profile or the other co-owner. Found out Ferdinand Bare has actor and wrestling friends and has been to Oscar parties, but ... none of that really matters. I'd be more interested in the other co-owner... could Smoking Everywhere be under a "hidden" parent company that has some weight with BT or BP???

Forget it. I jerked around so much researching this that in the meantime Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah found out it was all BS from the mall people.

 

[TribbleTrouble]

With the word "Healthy" in the title for your buisness, I suspect the FDA will be wanting to talk to you once the ban kicks in.

 

[Venuvious]

With the word "Healthy" in the title for your buisness, I suspect the FDA will be wanting to talk to you once the ban kicks in.

Health - Within the framework of WHO's definition of health as a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being, and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity, reproductive health, or sexual health/hygiene, addresses the reproductive processes, functions and system at all stages of life. ...

 

[Venuvious]

With the word "Healthy" in the title for your buisness, I suspect the FDA will be wanting to talk to you once the ban kicks in.

You know, I would just like to say, as I get quite enough Flack and Smack from some of you Forum Junkies! I am always trying to be of service to my customers!
Testimonials

Just read for yourself.
But I will have you know that I started my business while on Disability, with $300.00 back in December, 2008. I did not get any loans, gifts, grants or gratitudes for starting my business! I am just so tired of listening to some people try to tell me why my name should be this or not that, or what I should be saying or doing on my website! When the real truth of the matter is I took some initiative with very very little resources, and went from 4 visitors in December to well over 7,000 in March, and now averaging 471 per day!
www.healthysmokeshop.com estimated worth and web stat from Cubestat

So please, don't just throw comments out like you even have a clue what you are talking about unless you have something to show me about your accomplishments in this business. Well, I am waiting!?

I am a nice guy, and I go way out of my way to make my customers enjoy their products as well as fix any problems they may have!
And it's so easy for you to say "Duh with a name like that the FDA will be talking to you!"
I may not do this for much longer the way it is going for these products....But at least I can say I was part of helping people to enjoy this product with no regrets. Oh, and I also have been talking with the FDA, and am in the process of filing the nessesary paperwork.
I might not get it, but at least I am trying to do something about it!
Have you even gone to my site and looked at what I have to offer people about this product OTHER THAN just trying to make a buck!??

No, Didn't think so.

 

[Calaban]

the mall in manchester NH, i heard they are in the rockingham mall also

Pattyjo,

The Manchester Mall is where I first saw e-cigs as well. I was intrigued, but leery. The guy seemed sketchy lol. I came home and searched online, and found this place.

Smoking Everywhere just seems like they are in it for the money and nothing else. I think they will say anything to sell their reportedly crappy product (I can't say since i've never tried a SE device). As Walrus said, I think their marketing is to blame in large part for all the negative attention e-smoking has been getting.

 

[TribbleTrouble]

You know, I would just like to say, as I get quite enough Flack and Smack from some of you Forum Junkies! I am always trying to be of service to my customers!
Testimonials

Just read for yourself.
But I will have you know that I started my business while on Disability, with $300.00 back in December, 2008. I did not get any loans, gifts, grants or gratitudes for starting my business! I am just so tired of listening to some people try to tell me why my name should be this or not that, or what I should be saying or doing on my website! When the real truth of the matter is I took some initiative with very very little resources, and went from 4 visitors in December to well over 7,000 in March, and now averaging 471 per day!
www.healthysmokeshop.com estimated worth and web stat from Cubestat

So please, don't just throw comments out like you even have a clue what you are talking about unless you have something to show me about your accomplishments in this business. Well, I am waiting!?

I am a nice guy, and I go way out of my way to make my customers enjoy their products as well as fix any problems they may have!
And it's so easy for you to say "Duh with a name like that the FDA will be talking to you!"
I may not do this for much longer the way it is going for these products....But at least I can say I was part of helping people to enjoy this product with no regrets. Oh, and I also have been talking with the FDA, and am in the process of filing the nessesary paperwork.
I might not get it, but at least I am trying to do something about it!
Have you even gone to my site and looked at what I have to offer people about this product OTHER THAN just trying to make a buck!??

No, Didn't think so.

With how strongly you defend yourself, it seems like you might see some truth in what people are saying about your name. Hey, it's your business, not mine. I am just a consumer who has seen the damage that unjustified claims like "healthy smokes" have done to the view that the authorities have about our alternative to smoking. Keep whatever name you want, just don't be suprised when the FDA comes looking for you and your "Healthy" smokes. What proof do you have that your gear & liquid is actually "Healthy"? Testimonials and advertisements will mean nothing to the FDA, only scientific proof. By the way, it is my right to give my opinion on this forum, just like it is your right to try and make money off of the people in this forum. If you don't like the opinions expressed, you are free to sick the mods on me, or just move to a different thread. We all need to get over ourselves (us included).

 

[Venuvious]

With how strongly you defend yourself, it seems like you might see some truth in what people are saying about your name. Hey, it's your business, not mine. I am just a consumer who has seen the damage that unjustified claims like "healthy smokes" have done to the view that the authorities have about our alternative to smoking. Keep whatever name you want, just don't be suprised when the FDA comes looking for you and your "Healthy" smokes. What proof do you have that your gear & liquid is actually "Healthy"? Testimonials and advertisements will mean nothing to the FDA, only scientific proof. By the way, it is my right to give my opinion on this forum, just like it is your right to try and make money off of the people in this forum. If you don't like the opinions expressed, you are free to sick the mods on me, or just move to a different thread. We all need to get over ourselves (us included).

Ok. Well, the only reason I named my site Healthy anything is because I believed this to be a healthier lifestyle. Also, because I am soon switching to non-nicotine products, as this is I believe the only way anyone will be able to stay doing this for much longer, and the true goal of most of my customers anyway is to quite the addiciction of nicotine. Cigarettes are a problems, but Nicotine is the addiction, and if I can help people ultimately get away from that then I will feel much better about muy business and its goals.
I hope people will continue to do this after the nicotine has left, which is very sure to happen shortly. I don't see any way it will remain a sellable product in this form without all the proper approval.
So, I will endeavor to keep on track, and I will be switched completely to non-nicotine probably by the end of the month.

Thank you for your input though, and I hope you can help to change peoples attitudes when it comes to nicotine addiction.....

 

[esmok-e]

I hope this device becomes OBSOLETE. That's a long way off. If Godshall says it's 100% Safer and healthier, LET IT BE SAID. If a guy truly believes he can have a business based on helping people rather than deceiving and even killing them knowingly, I shake his hand. I wish I could say that for Big Pharm, Big Tobacco and the keystone cops in the FDA.

 

[Vince1]

Why not just say "better" as in no ashes everywhere, no nasty butts all over, no stinky smoke anymore, etc? I still have not seen any proof that they are healthier, I "believe" they are, but as of yet have not seen the proof.

 

[pillbox38]

I also Claim that my cigarettes are a Healthier way to consume nicotine than from a Tobacco based cigarette. I see no issues here with Venuvious naming his business to reflect this obvious point.

FYI on all my boxes its says "A new generation of healthier smoking" and for sure it is

 

[Boston George]

The Safe Cig.com

 

[ApOsTle51]

Jason , I have the utmost respect for you and your product and your pioneering efforts in the industry but my view is making claims of being healthier without recognised and approved testing is un-wise in the long run. It's a very likely it is healthier but they said the same about ciggies 40 odd years ago.

 

[Faethe]

I have been using my pen style e-cig for 3 months now.. I got suckered into buying one at the mall for $150.. Even though I paid too much I'm glad I did it, otherwise I would probobly still be smoking regular cigs.

Anyway....I have been reading threads on this site and Im a bit confused on the status of FDA approval and my future of vaping because of it.. From what I read here this morning, the FDA has rejected approval of this product and it may no longer be available in the USA. So, I went over to the mall to talk to the SE rep, who I chat with frequently. He said Smoking Everwhere has had FDA approval for 23 days now, and the mall kiosk will be here for many years to come. I told him how I read that FDA letter which was sent to the supplier which was posted in another thread and how shipments are being held up, etc.. He says thats for other products, not theirs, that their product comes from Europe, not China. He claims SE spent the money for all the testing that the FDA requires and they are good to go? So this is where I am confused... is he making this up? Will I be able to purchase atomizers, juice and cartridges a month from now?

On 3/20 I put $130 order in with ECSinc. for some juice, atomizers and a "great white".. Is this why I haven't received anything from them? maybe they cant ship anymore? Yesterday I ordered a bottle of juice from totally wicked and it shipped the same day, so I am not sure whats going on.



Thanks

I just ordered some juice from esci today and I already have a delivery notice. It's probably your ecig that is holding them up. Why don't you write them and find out?

And also, smoking everywhere might be registered with the FDA (so is Johnson Creek) but this does not mean they have FDA approval. All it means is that they are registered.

 

[Faethe]

I also Claim that my cigarettes are a Healthier way to consume nicotine than from a Tobacco based cigarette. I see no issues here with Venuvious naming his business to reflect this obvious point.

FYI on all my boxes its says "A new generation of healthier smoking" and for sure it is

Then you are marketing your device as a health alternative. The FDA has already stated they are going after vendors making this claim.

 

[eplanet]

If you say it's a healthier alternative, then prove it.....you cant!!!

 

[Faethe]

If you say it's a healthier alternative, then prove it.....you cant!!!

I think what the problem is (and what I have long expected is the case) is that people think the FDA operates off common sense. This is not the case. If you read the letters from the FDA other vendors have received, the issue is that these are being marketed as a smoking cessation device, are making health claims, or are 'new drug delivery devices'.

That puts you in the purview of the FDA (according to them). It's doesn't have to make sense. Unless you have the cash to back up your product, they will do whatever they want. Then the onus is on you to prove them wrong which can be extraordinarily expensive.

 

[pillbox38]

Maybe the onus is on them to Prove it isnt a Healthier alternative...Not on Myself or others to prove it is.

The amount of customers with various chest complaints, CPD, Asthmas etc, who report huge benefits in their own well being from using these products leads me to believe it is. In time the Medical community will not be able to ignore the evidence..

 

[Faethe]

Maybe the onus is on them to Prove it isnt a Healthier alternative...Not on Myself or others to prove it is.

The amount of customers with various chest complaints, CPD, Asthmas etc, who report huge benefits in their own well being from using these products leads me to believe it is. In time the Medical community will not be able to ignore the evidence..

And no one here is disputing that this is the case. This is the issue - if the FDA sends out an alert on these things, they will start getting confiscated inside the country. That means mall vendors like Smoking Everywhere, people that sell NJOY at truckstops - all of that will get confiscated. They are already confiscating shipments that make health claims.

No one wants this to dry up. It's really up to suppliers like you to get your gear in order so we can continue to buy it. The FDA is not rational. Very few of our government agencies are rational. They can be swayed by public opinion, but not usually.

What they are swayed by is hard research and the voices of other members of the bureaucracy. If you attempt to play along, you may slide between the ditches but you must play along.

 

[kcooper]

I have been smoking e-cig for a few months now, and I too bought my first one from the mall. I didnt really like it but I contuied to use it, untill I started to do reseach on all the other ones out there. I found that smokeless delite had the best product with a way better price than $150! The way that smokeless delite hits is so smooth and good. I love the energy drink & pineapple cartridges, and anytime I call them, they always have the answers I need. I dont believe that smoke anywhere could be FDA approved,no way! I feel like they give you the run around when you try to talk to them. But thtas just my opion, anyone eles feel that way too?

 

[Faethe]

I have been smoking e-cig for a few months now, and I too bought my first one from the mall. I didnt really like it but I contuied to use it, untill I started to do reseach on all the other ones out there. I found that smokeless delite had the best product with a way better price than $150! The way that smokeless delite hits is so smooth and good. I love the energy drink & pineapple cartridges, and anytime I call them, they always have the answers I need. I dont believe that smoke anywhere could be FDA approved,no way! I feel like they give you the run around when you try to talk to them. But thtas just my opion, anyone eles feel that way too?

This is where everyone has to rely on people that know how the FDA works, and what it takes to make them either go away, play along, or turn their head. I have no idea how that's accomplished. In general you end up employing an attorney that can give you the necessary information. It's a section of law unto itself.

I do know from reading articles here that for whatever reason the FDA has decided to pay attention to ecigarettes. I also know that vendors like Janty have been carefully revamping their sites to effect a more neutral position.

FDA attention can be got by a variety of means - political, popular opinion, genuine concern, moral basis. The only thing I am sure of is that they are not rational, and that they frequently favor large contributors. I mean, that is not disputed - they favor established companies so much so that they will gladly rule against competition.

And being that esmoking does compete with serveral well established companies, I would be very careful.