Smoking Everywhere and FDA approval

[esmok-e]

Why not just say "better" as in no ashes everywhere, no nasty butts all over, no stinky smoke anymore, etc? I still have not seen any proof that they are healthier, I "believe" they are, but as of yet have not seen the proof.

As a user I say "best". As a supplier I say "ouch". There's enough proof, only cessation has to be proved. And with the other NRT's 5% success ratio I can't wait for the results from NZ. Let's do a quitting success forum here. I have a lot of customers with COPD, cancer and regular folks who don't say "I'd rather die than switch." (that's a play on an old Tareyton slogan).

I suppose if your addicted to the carbon monoxide you could toke on a truck exhaust pipe.....

 

[Jim Davis]

If she (Jane @ ECSinc) stopped because of the FDA, I'm sure she would have stopped selling stuff on the website as well.

If she's honest, she'll stop selling if a ban goes through. The people we have to be careful of, are the ones who will take the money, and won't deliver.

 

[Venuvious]

Why not just say "better" as in no ashes everywhere, no nasty butts all over, no stinky smoke anymore, etc? I still have not seen any proof that they are healthier, I "believe" they are, but as of yet have not seen the proof.

Vince.Cadc, I agree. I get to emotionally involved sometimes I admit!
I think, as I have updated on my Healthy-Liquid page, that ultimately it is up to the consumer as to what is "Healthy" or not.

This Just In! Young British couple explain indeed why smoking is Healthy for you:

YouTube - Why cigarettes are heathy for you

 

[Venuvious]

I suppose if your addicted to the carbon monoxide you could toke on a truck exhaust pipe.....

Well, Barney & Fred used to think it was just dandy! I actually remember this as a kid!
YouTube - Banned Commercial 1961 Flintstones Winston Cigarettes

 

[Venuvious]

If she's honest, she'll stop selling if a ban goes through. The people we have to be careful of, are the ones who will take the money, and won't deliver.

Yes, I agree. I am already in the process of changing over to Non-Nicotine e-liquid products. I have a lot of stock on the Nicotine stuff still, and have another order just in. However, I think from my own perspective, it is about time to test the waters without the Nicotine. I already have a brand that has none, and they are doing pretty good!

Key here most of all is to be Honest with your customers, and if they honestly don't want the products without the Nicotine, then I guess it will be time to reevaluate my business plan. I am planning to stick it through no matter what happens, as I am already following suite with JC, by requesting FDA approval for Nicotine products. I don't know exactly how long this may take, but it is very important to both listen to your customers, and stay within the law.

With the Petition pushing 3,000 and the sincere comments that go with them, and all the efforts a lot of us are trying to do to make this thing work, I can only believe that good will prevail in the end.

And I do agree that resellers should be EXTRA carefull to help their customers through all this. I try to do whatever is asked of me by my customers and fix any problems they may have, Period.
Otherwise, you might as well stop running a business, as it is no way to run one without being honest and up front about everything!

 

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

Maybe the onus is on them to Prove it isnt a Healthier alternative...Not on Myself or others to prove it is.

Not a chance.... it's up to the supplier, manufacturer, etc. to "put their money where their mouths are," not the other way around. The FDA you can liken to a monarch with the ultimate power over life and/or death...
It takes very little aggravation for them to ban something. It takes REAMS of paperwork, years of testing in carefully controlled studies, and an ENORMOUS amount of ... kissing to get a product they think is under their jurisdiction the rubber stamp of approval.

They, as Faethe stated, are NOT logical in the least... They're a bloated US agency with far too much belief in their own superiority.

If you want your products marketed in the US, freely and legally, you need to bow to the FDA, NOT the other way around...

 

[Venuvious]

Jason , I have the utmost respect for you and your product and your pioneering efforts in the industry but my view is making claims of being healthier without recognised and approved testing is un-wise in the long run. It's a very likely it is healthier but they said the same about ciggies 40 odd years ago.

Health - Within the framework of WHO's definition of health as a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being, and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity, reproductive health, or sexual health/hygiene, addresses the reproductive processes, functions and system at all stages of life. .

 

[Phalse]

hahah the FDA cant ban anything lol

Name one thing the FDA banned that you can't get in the USA?

One single thing.

Name it?

Every single thing on the FDA ban list I can buy online. Cuban Cigars, chemicals, meds, the works. The couple things you can name like federal banned drugs, can be bought at any cities waterfront/market.....

Oh FDA are god, play along or get a lawyer. UNTRUTHS hahaha

Also the FDA can't regulate the hardware. Even if they classify "kits" "carts" and "juice" when used with the atomizers/batterys as a Medical device. Head shops can still sell vaporizer hardware.
FDA CAN NOT REGULATE GENERIC ELECTRONIC HARDWARE
FDA CAN NOT CLASSIFY GENERIC ELECTRONICS AS MEDICAL HARDWARE
I'm not sure why people think this is part of the dicussion.
Your medical hardware classification is impossible. If it did happen they simply can rebrand the hardware as vaporizers WHICH ARE LEGAL EVERYWHERE (most states some ban headshops) IN THE US

What is with you guys, Have you been to a headshop recently??????
If you sell 0 carts and 0 juice, you are just a headshop selling vaporizers which there are 5 of those within like 20 miles of here.

I'm starting to hate all the scare threads.
Its like you have never done anything illegal or even been to a (LEGAL) headshop EVER in your lives. Those who live in the few states where headshops are illegal are exempt from this comment

I can buy a vaporizer that will smoke E-juice at marry janes headshop which is a legal store.

It is not small like a cig but if there is a ban from china on e-cigs, they sure will make them small.
NO they wont sell juice or nic of any type. You will have to take care of that yourself.

Again, you can get chemicals (nic) on the internet. Many different places.



SO whats up? What are you scared of? YES if they ban there will be a short time before the rebranding of the hardware to legal headshops. Why are you so scared?

 

[TribbleTrouble]

You can deny reality all you want (If it makes you feel better), but it doesn't change reality one bit. If a country like Mexico has already banned our devices, then what hope can any of us have that the USA won't do it as well. It is not a matter of if the FDA bans them, it is a matter of when. All we can do about it is campaign to delay it, and then figure out a way to circumvent it once it is official. The Black Market is coming, are you ready for it? If this scares people, that is not on me, it is on the FDA & USA. There is no use for me being scared about the inevitable, but there is use in me figuring out how to get what I want in spite of the inevitable. Prepare for the Black Market, because it is on it's way to your town very soon!

 

[Jim Davis]

I have quite a few orders placed right now, and no communication as of yet. I have just put you on my supply list based on your communications with the others. The prices & products look good, so I'll be giving you a shot very soon.

 

[badkat]

HealthySmokeShop.com has been a great place for me to shop. Fast, reliable and honest. Of course I ignore the healthy name (who in all honesty wouldn't) but who also doesn't feel better after switching from analogs? I wouldn't have stayed switched if I did not feel healthier. The fda of course doesn't care about that because they've got a job to do for BT and BP I like your stuff, Venuvious. I'd hate to see a good vendor like you go out of business due to a regrettable interpretation of business name. If you feel compelled to rename your business I for one will stick with you.

 

[hanover fist]

My first e cig was from smoking everywhere too pice of crap the carts leaked all over the place some were so loose they would fall off, they said one cart was like a pack of smokes but its more like tree smokes
As far as FDA the e cig itself is not but the ingredients are all FDA approved when used separately 8-o
Bob

 

[chuck7403]

Not sure if these videos have been posted or discussed, I apologize if they have been, but needless to say, watching them was difficult...

YouTube - Smoking Everywhere Electric Cigarette with Tomer Live 1 of 4

The other 3 parts are on youtube...

 

[Brian]

I just ordered some juice from esci today and I already have a delivery notice. It's probably your ecig that is holding them up. Why don't you write them and find out?

And also, smoking everywhere might be registered with the FDA (so is Johnson Creek) but this does not mean they have FDA approval. All it means is that they are registered.

I bought my first e-cig from libertystix.com claiming that he is FDA registered. He has since changed his websight and stating that he is registered with the FDA, and while under approval, he will comply with all FDA regulations...not really quoting what he said, but that is the jist of it. I think most resellers are supposed to registered one way or another to cover their bases.

 

[Brian]

Not sure if these videos have been posted or discussed, I apologize if they have been, but needless to say, watching them was difficult...
__video clip removed__

The other 3 parts are on youtube...

Great video, the way he holds the e-cig reminds me of a magician about to perform a magic trick with a cigarette... "and presto, your money is gone" LOL

 

[Sebastian]

Just an FYI...
A research company contacted me and is doing clinicals on a few brands of electronic cigarettes. SOOO if you are a supplier, who sells cartridges that are MEASUREABLE (meaning you have statistical reliabity in the amount of liquid that is in those cartridges), please contact me if you want to be a part of it.

The testing will cover lung function (vital capacity, etc), global well being, oxygen saturation of red blood cells at baseline and at 30 days and possibly one or two other variables. This will be the first study of its kind and would be published in a national or international scientific journal. It is the type of thing that could gather a great deal of attention. The brand name of any electronic cigarette they test will appear in the article.

You would have to be willing to donate probably 25-50 starter kits, and 25-50 person supply of cartons of cartridges. Please email me at sebastian@libertystix.com if you are interested....with INDEPENDENT STUDY FOR E-CIG SUPPLIERS.

Cheers,
Sebastian

P.S. I think they are looking for 2 or 3 more brands....so get at me quick. thx

 

[Venom]

I just ordered some juice from esci today and I already have a delivery notice. It's probably your ecig that is holding them up. Why don't you write them and find out?

Jane called me Saturday morning, it was the atomizers that were holding everything up, I'm all set now, ordered the "Ultimo" with some extra batteries, atomizers and some juice.

 

[Phalse]

They can't ban the hardware (vaporizers), only the liquid being sold/pre filled carts.

Vaporizers are legal (for sale) in the following states which I can 100% confirm: WA, OR, CA, CO, TX, FL, MO, NH, MA, RI, CT NJ, DE MD, VA, NC, and many more states which I can't confirm 100%

The majority of vaporizor parts, which are atomizers, come from china. Very few are made in the USA.

There will only be a black market for the liquid, your correct.

Smoke 0-nic, I plan on reducing to that point.


Hardware, I'm always going to be getting from China.

Now I live in the USA, I can walk 1/2 mile to 1 mile and hit 2 headshops and buy vaporizer hardware legally. If you live in a country where this stuff is banned already, then yeah....all e-cigs are already banned for you.

 

[ptboos]

I will try to find the video that i saw about 2 weeks ago. It was on NBC, they said the FDA had no comment on the e-cig investigation. I just ordered over 50 kits of e-cigs, some liquids, cigars, etc...from a manufacturer. Everything but the extra liquids i ordered came in with no problem. The liquid got held up in customs for 2 days(they investigated it, a homeland security thing) but i finally got it. If the FDA was going to ban these items, wouldn't they inform customs to stop shipments from coming in?

As far as the SE guys, I have to agree with you Walrus. They want to be the sole suppliers in the US. Remember guys a pair of lips will say anything to keep you happy. Why would the FDA only approve one company to sell something? That would be a Monopoly.....

I believe the FDA is just ...... cause they can't find a way to tax the e-cigs yet....

 

[cclisamona]

can anyone tell me what to tell people when they ask me why would the FDA be banning this???? i dont know what to tell them.. LOL... maybe because i really dont understand it....