SmokTech RSST Genesis Rebuildable Atomizer

[grainey1968]

D3mon has better pics, but I thought I would join in.

NOTE: I was unfortunate to get on of the RSST's that had the problem with the threads on the connection - hence the large gap. My supplier is sending me a new base for the RSST to correct the problem.

 

[zipflint]

I didn't know there was a thread issue. Are some of 'em just too long?
Mine sits flush on my China GG....
Although I still haven't successfully built a good coil....

 

[d3mon]

I didn't know there was a thread issue. Are some of 'em just too long?
Mine sits flush on my China GG....
Although I still haven't successfully built a good coil....

appears some were just given the wrong threading. new ones seem to be fine.

i haven't really dug thru everything in the thread. what is your issue?

 

[d3mon]

clearly, i didn't understand what "3/4" and 4/5" meant. what i THOUGHT was a 3/4...actually a 2/3 LOL explains why the ohms were so low.

damn beginners.

now rocking a 3/4 on both...and about to try a 4/5 on the lighter juice.

 

[grainey1968]

clearly, i didn't understand what "3/4" and 4/5" meant. what i THOUGHT was a 3/4...actually a 2/3 LOL explains why the ohms were so low.

damn beginners.

now rocking a 3/4 on both...and about to try a 4/5 on the lighter juice.

D3mon - next time why don't you try coiling you 4/5 with the bottom leg of your coil to the inside (opposite to what you have shown in you pic) of the - post/ screw and the same with your top leg to the outside of the + post. You should end up with a 'S' shape if you looked down from a birds eye view.
This will explain the 2/3, 4/5 wraps etc (looking from one side of your coil then the other). Also helps with leg hot spots IMHO.

 

[d3mon]

D3mon - next time why don't you try coiling you 4/5 with the bottom leg of your coil to the inside (opposite to what you have shown in you pic) of the - post/ screw and the same with your top leg to the outside of the + post. You should end up with a 'S' shape if you looked down from a birds eye view.
This will explain the 2/3, 4/5 wraps etc (looking from one side of your coil then the other). Also helps with leg hot spots IMHO.

will do. i have 28 awg at the house with THIS suggestion's name ALL over it LOL

 

[zipflint]

Heh, my only issue is inexperience and an inability to sit crouched at a table for any
length of time. Right after I got my RSST and my ChinaGG, I had to have abdominal surgery
that left me with a LOT of pain and 27 staples holding in me innards.

Not fun.

So right now I'm just rockin' EVODs, T3s, and a ProTank. And a Raven fillerless carto tank.
That thing is killer....

Genesis style atomizers are my current learning project, which I will get back to as soon as I don't
feel like I'm going to explode in a disgusting mess.

i haven't really dug thru everything in the thread. what is your issue?

 

[d3mon]

D3mon - next time why don't you try coiling you 4/5 with the bottom leg of your coil to the inside (opposite to what you have shown in you pic) of the - post/ screw and the same with your top leg to the outside of the + post. You should end up with a 'S' shape if you looked down from a birds eye view.
This will explain the 2/3, 4/5 wraps etc (looking from one side of your coil then the other). Also helps with leg hot spots IMHO.

on the left: darker juice with the standard wrap 3/4 coil.
on the right: lighter juice with the reverse wrap 3/4 coil.

"standard coil" Darker juice

reverse coil, lighter juice

 

[zipflint]

Alrighty, in my first attempt since my surgery, and 2nd attempt overall, this is what I came up with.
And it works! No shorts (although I think I'm cruisin' for one, you'll see where in these photos) and
it's wicking properly. My multimeter says this is a 1.8Ohm coil, and if that's correct, then I definitely
need to go lower, as this is darn light on the vapor and flavor.

But I did successfully complete the pulse method, so the only oxidation is from that. Looking back
through my macros I can see where the coil loses contact with the mesh in at least two places.

So, all-in-all, I'm pleased that it "works" but I still have a ways to go before it performs very well.
I'm still pretty proud of myself.

 

[Alamedean]

What gauge wire are you using?
I've been using 28 AWG and with the same amount of wraps as you, my ohms come in about 0.8. Still need to work on my setup of this little guy cuz I'm sure it can do better than what I have come up with to date.
Thanks for the great photos.

 

[zipflint]

Yep, 28 guage. Here's a link to my flickr page if anyone wants to see the full resolution photos:
Flickr: zipflint's Photostream
(you'll also get to see lots of photos of my mom's flowers, our family yorkies, and 1/6 figures,
my other hobby. luck you, heh heh)

Can anyone tell me if it's worth the effort to "fix" this coil or should I rebuild from scratch?
I'm not able to use my tools at the moment, so I'm just thinking/wondering out loud.

What gauge wire are you using?
I've been using 28 AWG and with the same amount of wraps as you, my ohms come in about 0.8. Still need to work on my setup of this little guy cuz I'm sure it can do better than what I have come up with to date.
Thanks for the great photos.

 

[Rule62]

Yep, 28 guage. Here's a link to my flickr page if anyone wants to see the full resolution photos:
Flickr: zipflint's Photostream
(you'll also get to see lots of photos of my mom's flowers, our family yorkies, and 1/6 figures,
my other hobby. luck you, heh heh)

Can anyone tell me if it's worth the effort to "fix" this coil or should I rebuild from scratch?
I'm not able to use my tools at the moment, so I'm just thinking/wondering out loud.

Something's definitely not right. With 28ga, that coil should be around .8 or .9 Ω

 

[zipflint]

I think the problem might be with the leg going to the center post. It looks darker than the rest of the coil, right where
it rests against the wick.

Something's definitely not right. With 28ga, that coil should be around .8 or .9 Ω

 

[Rule62]

I think the problem might be with the leg going to the center post. It looks darker than the rest of the coil, right where
it rests against the wick.

That shouldn't affect your resistance reading. As long as your connections are tight, check to be sure your positive post is making good contact with the center pin of your PV. Try tightening it a bit with a small phillips screwdriver, while the RSST is on your device.

 

[zipflint]

Thanks, I'll give that a try. I'm brand new to this (obviously, heh) so I'm still learning about my mech mod as well.
I had a helluva time just getting the RSST on the 510 connection. It was sitting too high, with a huge gap, and the positive
contact at the top of the mod wasn't making contact with the battery.

Eventually I figured out that I:
#1 did not have the battery tube screwed on properly
#2 did much better if I removed the top cap from the China GG, attached the RSST, and then screwed
that whole assembly onto the mod.

Which is all just a long way of me saying "yeah, I think you're on to something!"

That shouldn't affect your resistance reading. As long as your connections are tight, check to be sure your positive post is making good contact with the center pin of your PV. Try tightening it a bit with a small phillips screwdriver, while the RSST is on your device.

 

[Rule62]

Thanks, I'll give that a try. I'm brand new to this (obviously, heh) so I'm still learning about my mech mod as well.
I had a helluva time just getting the RSST on the 510 connection. It was sitting too high, with a huge gap, and the positive
contact at the top of the mod wasn't making contact with the battery.

Eventually I figured out that I:
#1 did not have the battery tube screwed on properly
#2 did much better if I removed the top cap from the China GG, attached the RSST, and then screwed
that whole assembly onto the mod.

Which is all just a long way of me saying "yeah, I think you're on to something!"

I've found that because of the unusual center post design of the RSST, as well as the high end AC9, a little extra step needs to be taken when attaching it to a device. What I do is: back off the center post screw first, before attaching the tank to the mod. Screw the tank down. Then screw down the positive post, so that it contacts the center pin of the mod. I also generally set up my wick and coil with the RSST or AC9 already attached to my mod.

 

[fed71]

Advice from colleagues Peter_lz (sorry for the errors of translation)

The problem with the threaded connector. RSST is not friends with older models ProVari with a number of native PV Smoktech.
The cause of the problem - too shallow cut through thread windings (factory defect). The problem is corrected with the tool.
Take a small triangular needle file.

Atomizer is fixed and needle files carefully (preferably with a magnifying glass) deepen thread windings. From the very start of the thread at the bottom of the connector and up to the top.

Periodically control connection to the PV. I had to go on coils five times to screw the RSST on ProVari.

Judging by the reviews, in different parties honored ones the problem is expressed in varying degrees and processing carving may not be required.

 

[Rule62]

Advice from colleagues Peter_lz (sorry for the errors of translation)

The problem with the threaded connector. RSST is not friends with older models ProVari with a number of native PV Smoktech.
The cause of the problem - too shallow cut through thread windings (factory defect). The problem is corrected with the tool.
Take a small triangular needle file.

Atomizer is fixed and needle files carefully (preferably with a magnifying glass) deepen thread windings. From the very start of the thread at the bottom of the connector and up to the top.

Periodically control connection to the PV. I had to go on coils five times to screw the RSST on ProVari.

Judging by the reviews, in different parties honored ones the problem is expressed in varying degrees and processing carving may not be required.

I had a threading problem with my AC9. Some of the second batch had incorrectly manufactured threads, as well. I've also heard of threading issues with some of the RSSTs. Instead of using a file, I purchased a die, and rethreaded my AC9. The correct size die for 510 threads is 7mm x .5. After re threading, my AC9 worked perfectly.

 

[mikewill45]

also alot of people wrap the wire to the pp in the opposite direction then what you have here. take the wire behind the wick and attach counter clockwise, this usually has more contact with the wick. also have you tried to take out the fill plug?

Which length ceramic wick does the RSST take? I bought some that are 1.75 and they won't fit my AGA-T2. I did file one down so that it would fit but am considering getting another RBA and want to get one the remaining wick will fit.

 

[zipflint]

Since we're talking about it, what's the most reliable/cheapest source for ceramic wicks? And the....thick steel cable wicks?
I need to read up on those....