Snails - Response on Threads Part 7

[oldbikeguy]

Please excuse me while I go rob a bank...................

We won't tell anybody

 

[SilverBear]

Please excuse me while I go rob a bank...................

PS... They are not open today. Go tomorrow. Better luck.

 

[oldbikeguy]

PS... They are not open today. Go tomorrow. Better luck.

Good point Bear

 

[SilverBear]

Good point Bear

Always go when they are open. Those tellers will just hand it to you, no
questions asked. Much easier than breaking in overnight.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

lol! that crew usually hangs out till at least 10 or 11 - spare me the thought, my name is not peppa!

stopped by real quick to share what was emailed to me
Mother Of Toddler In Gorilla Incident Claims ‘God Protected My Child’

now back outside - they should be here by 5
enjoy, y'all!

Had to come back and take one more jab at me. Poor Pepper.

 

[Katya]

having been classified as tobacco products hasn't caused a problem yet but all 3 carriers might take a different approach down the line
Shipping tobacco with USPS, UPS, and FedEx

again, all we can do is wait and see

The PACT Act that only covers cigarettes and smokeless tobacco will have to be amended first, methinks. But what do I know?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Which would mean leaving the top off... right? If you put a tightly-capped
bottle of water (with air) in the freezer, it would break. Which brings me
to the original question.

Ever see what happens to a six-pack of soda left in a northern garage in the
Winter? Plenty of room for expansion, but whatta mess. Don't want said
nicotine mess in a freezer full of food. Food being wrapped, or not.

Welp, everything has been covered, so no need for me to comment. I don't know how long you intend on storing the nicotine, but keeping it in the refrigerator in a dark bottle seems like one would be fine for quite some time. good luck, either way.

p.s. nope, the soda thing hasn't been an issue, but I have forgotten a beer or 2 in da freezer. same problem.

 

[Katya]

Well, since I'll be on the road traveling, I won't be able to submit a complaint form to e-bay until the 5th or 6th, but if I remember correctly, we have until the end of June to file.
Am so disappointed, but I really should have known better! It's a first for me, and hopefully, the last!!!

So sorry, Gracie... So much fraud everywhere.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

But what do I know?

you know that Pepper is one big luvable fuzz ball. you're welcome.

 

[Katya]

CES, if you get it figure out, and can summarize/predict outcomes, let us know. Tweety bailed on us already.

I can summarize.

The way those regulations are written,

1) Everything the FDA wants to deem now (or in the future) a tobacco product is (will be) a tobacco product. Period. It makes no difference if it's a tobacco product, nicotine product or an acrylic drip tip.

2) Any "tobacco manufacturer" who wants to have their product approved [either via SE (they still didn't even tell us what the substantially similar predicate product is?) or PMTA] needs to invest thousands of man hours and millions of dollars to produce an application that requires, among other undoable things, proving the unprovable (how does one prove that a child will not be attracted to a certain object, for example?).

What the FDA needs to do in response to an application is NOTHING. If they don't respond within a year, the application is automatically denied. Or, as my friend Nate brilliantly pointed out elsewhere, "As the law is now written, FDA has the full legal authority to reject a PMTA application by tweeting "lolsux2bu"."

I have nothing else to add, really. If those regs are not changed (challenged, amended, stopped, rewritten, thrown out of court), we're screwed.

Contact your representatives--write letters, email, call, join CASAA, donate money if you can. Vote! Fight before it's too late.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I can summarize.

The way those regulations are written,

1) Everything the FDA wants to deem now (or in the future) a tobacco product is (will be) a tobacco product. Period. It makes no difference if it's a tobacco product, nicotine product or an acrylic drip tip.

2) Any "tobacco manufacturer" who wants to have their product approved [either via SE (they still didn't even tell us what the substantially similar predicate product is?) or PMTA] needs to invest thousands of man hours and millions of dollars to produce an application that requires, among other undoable things, proving the unprovable (how does one prove that a child will not be attracted to a certain object, for example?).

What the FDA needs to do in response to an application is NOTHING. If they don't respond within a year, the application is automatically denied. Or, as my friend Nate brilliantly pointed out elsewhere, "As the law is now written, FDA has the full legal authority to reject a PMTA application by tweeting "lolsux2bu"."

I have nothing else to add, really. If those regs are not changed (challenged, amended, stopped, rewritten, thrown out of court), we're screwed.

Contact your representatives--write letters, email, call, join CASAA, donate money if you can. Vote! Fight before it's too late.

who needs congress, when we have unelected bureaucrats running our lives!

 

[Katya]

As I understand it- the first impacts will be as early as December, when inventories are due at the FDA.

Nope. Changes (we don't know which ones exactly) will start happening on August 8 when the deeming regs actually become law. Brace yourselves.

 

[daleron]

And what does THAT do?

Nothing, you put it on top of your head and .....

Please excuse me while I go rob a bank...................

 

[CES]

Nope. Changes (we don't know which ones exactly) will start happening on August 8 when the deeming regs actually become law. Brace yourselves.

Dang, i hate the thought that As early as December is overly optimistic. Hmph.

Heya Katya

(Flyby)

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Nope. Changes (we don't know which ones exactly) will start happening on August 8 when the deeming regs actually become law. Brace yourselves.

When I get home, I'm placing a large order for juice. And then I'm getting the latest iteration that provari offers. My original provari I got in 2010 still works fine.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Nope. Changes (we don't know which ones exactly) will start happening on August 8 when the deeming regs actually become law. Brace yourselves.

it's funny you say "become law." and congress had no hand in it.

 

[Katya]

it's funny you say "become law." and congress had no hand in it.

It did--Congress actually gave the FDA power to deem e-cigs as tobacco products.

 

[Katya]

Dang, i hate the thought that As early as December is overly optimistic. Hmph.

Heya Katya

(Flyby)

Chris, let me say this one more time--I really don't know what will happen on August 8, nobody knows. But the age verification may begin to be strictly enforced, which opens a big can of worms. How are they going to go about it? How many small businesses will simply close their doors?

The fight continues--the Cole-Bishop amendment is still alive, albeit on life support. HR 2058, ditto. Two lawsuits have already been filed, more are being launched. Will somebody be granted an injunction? No idea. Probably wishful thinking at this time. It may go all the way to SCOTUS--which will take years.

It's a mess. I don't think it's over, but it's not going to be pretty. I suggest you get your ducks in a row before the August date. Just in case.

 

[Katya]

And then I'm getting the latest iteration that provari offers. My original provari I got in 2010 still works fine.

You should be fine--if ProVape survives the deeming. If not, our ProVaris are no better than any other mods.

Carry on.

Back to work.

 

[AttyPops]

Atty,do you have a link to Salem's thread?

Have fun tib and CES

Here ya go, Fran!
FDA Webinar

Thanks Gracie.

Thanks Katya.

Flyby. ~~~~~