Snails - Response on Threads

[AttyPops]

IDK. I still think it's an addiction. And I haven't moved down much. Also a tolerance. Because if a never-vaper-never-smoker used the amount of nic you or I use in a day, they'd puke and pass out.

Anyone have a "brain explodes" smiley handy?

 

[CES]

Tolerance specifies increased need, not maintenance. But, you can call it whatever you're comfortable with. I know that even though my nic requirements have decreased i still crave vaping. Whether is physiological or psychological/behavioral (which is just another set of physiological cues that we experience as emotions or drive) i'm just glad that the craving is isn't for cigs anymore.

You developed the tolerance from smoking, but nic alone has not increased your nic tolerance?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Good morning Tibs, CES, Catt, Atty, Fran, Bear, and any Snails I might have missed

I like eVods and ProTanks...they're dead simple (meaning I was able to get my sister to try them ). Many do like the Davides, but I haven't tried them yet.

Condolences to TT...I don't know TT but it is tough to lose a loved one.

Have a good one all.

I believe the real difference btwn the protank and davide is the davide can be completely dissembled.

morning.

 

[CES]

morning Pepper

 

[Stoneface]

....
Anyone have a "brain explodes" smiley handy?

I believe the real difference btwn the protank and davide is the davide can be completely dissembled.

morning.

Thanks, and good morning

 

[AttyPops]

Tolerance specifies increased need, not maintenance. But, you can call it whatever you're comfortable with. I know that even though my nic requirements have decreased i still crave vaping. Whether is physiological or psychological/behavioral (which is just another set of physiological cues that we experience as emotions or drive) i'm just glad that the craving is isn't for cigs anymore.

You developed the tolerance from smoking, but nic alone has not increased your nic tolerance?

IDK because the effects of the nic were altered by other substances in tobacco. So, I'm not sure it's apples-to-apples. I may very well be taking in more nic per day vaping than I did smoking, but I'm not sure due to the effectiveness/absorbtion differences and the effect-modification differences.

I think it would be a better comparison to find out how the ..."new to vaping never smoked" people do...in about 10 years.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

IDK. I still think it's an addiction. And I haven't moved down much. Also a tolerance. Because if a never-vaper-never-smoker used the amount of nic you or I use in a day, they'd puke and pass out.

Anyone have a "brain explodes" smiley handy?

Tolerance specifies increased need, not maintenance. But, you can call it whatever you're comfortable with. I know that even though my nic requirements have decreased i still crave vaping. Whether is physiological or psychological/behavioral (which is just another set of physiological cues that we experience as emotions or drive) i'm just glad that the craving is isn't for cigs anymore.

You developed the tolerance from smoking, but nic alone has not increased your nic tolerance?

Call me addicted... I'm ok with that. The amount of nicotine I put in my body has definitely decreased with vaping, not to mention the carcinogens from smoking. I could never have a beer/alcoholic beverage without a cig... now I can go into a bar and go hours without a vape.

Flying was always a major issue also. Having to go 7-10 hours or more without a cig and I was ready to pull my hair out. Now it is not a big deal.

Plus other advantages, like not having to go outside in the dead of winter and freeze my a** off.

Call me addicted. Yeah, i'm ok with that.

 

[CES]

Of course it's not apples to apples, Atty. All I'm saying is that staying steady is not an example of increased tolerance. You may well be taking in more nic (though i doubt it) and you may also be compensating for loss of the other stuff. But, if your nic levels have not continued to increase while vaping, vaping has not contributed to additional tolerance. .

And, crap, you've drawn me into actually commenting on that thread. grrrr.
(luckily people tend to ignore my posts in that kind of thread)

 

[tiburonfirst]

morning, stone and pepper!

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Of course it's not apples to apples, Atty. All I'm saying is that staying steady is not an example of increased tolerance. You may well be taking in more nic (though i doubt it) and you may also be compensating for loss of the other stuff. But, if your nic levels have not continued to increase while vaping, vaping has not contributed to additional tolerance. .

And, crap, you've drawn me into actually commenting on that thread. grrrr.
(luckily people tend to ignore my posts in that kind of thread)

lol......................

 

[AttyPops]

Yeah, but I have no other comparison for judging nic than smoking....and I had withdrawal from smoking even while vaping.

I suppose I could compare it to NRT's. But that's all still "nic use" in my book...uncomplicated by tobacco "additional stuff".

My neurons are totally modified for nic. Can't give it up very easily
But I can go longer without much discomfort/craving than with tobacco. So I have hopes that nic-alone-addiction is easier to overcome in time. That the nic-alone addiction is not that hard to kick if I slowly cut down over, say, the next decade or two.

 

[Stoneface]

Of course it's not apples to apples, Atty. All I'm saying is that staying steady is not an example of increased tolerance. You may well be taking in more nic (though i doubt it) and you may also be compensating for loss of the other stuff. But, if your nic levels have not continued to increase while vaping, vaping has not contributed to additional tolerance. .

And, crap, you've drawn me into actually commenting on that thread. grrrr.
(luckily people tend to ignore my posts in that kind of thread)

Yeah, I don't try to change made-up minds any more...most of the time, they don't want their minds changed...

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

morning, tibby. You're probably off in co-op land.

 

[CES]

Yes, Atty, all of our brains are modified for nic. the closest comparison is for NRTs, but our brains are also modified for the behaviors associated with getting the fix. Which may be why NRTs don't work so well. I might be able to break the behavioral association at 0 mg nic. or maybe not. As long as e-cigs stay legal and available, I'm good with where i am.

Addition is probably a fairly accurate term, but without increased tolerance it doesn't quite meet the physiological definition, so may be closer to dependence...it doesn't much matter what we call it, as long as what we call it doesn't imply moral judgement. I'm pretty sure that this is less harmful for me and only interferes with my functioning when i spend too much time on the forum instead for going to work

 

[AttyPops]

Yes, Atty, all of our brains are modified for nic. the closest comparison is for NRTs, but our brains are also modified for the behaviors associated with getting the fix. Which may be why NRTs don't work so well. I might be able to break the behavioral association at 0 mg nic. or maybe not. As long as e-cigs stay legal and available, I'm good with where i am.

Addition is probably a fairly accurate term, but without increased tolerance it doesn't quite meet the physiological definition, so may be closer to dependence...it doesn't much matter what we call it, as long as what we call it doesn't imply moral judgement. I'm pretty sure that this is less harmful for me and only interferes with my functioning when i spend too much time on the forum instead for going to work

Quoted for truth on so many levels.

Thank you CES

 

[AttyPops]

Yes, Atty, all of our brains are modified for nic. the closest comparison is for NRTs, but our brains are also modified for the behaviors associated with getting the fix. Which may be why NRTs don't work so well. I might be able to break the behavioral association at 0 mg nic. or maybe not. As long as e-cigs stay legal and available, I'm good with where i am.

Addition is probably a fairly accurate term, but without increased tolerance it doesn't quite meet the physiological definition, so may be closer to dependence...it doesn't much matter what we call it, as long as what we call it doesn't imply moral judgement. I'm pretty sure that this is less harmful for me and only interferes with my functioning when i spend too much time on the forum instead for going to work

I like "Addition" too.

So we're all "adders". lol. Like we add stuff to get through the day.

 

[CES]

Stone, I'm with you. I know how hard it is for people to make me change my mind when it's made up, i assume that everyone is just as opinionated as i am, so usually don't even try

and now it is time for work.


Have agood one ya'll

(yeah, so one reason i don't write really long posts is because I'm an awful typist and only catch 4 of 5 typos. sigh. )

 

[tiburonfirst]

morning, tibby. You're probably off in co-op land.

yup! but not for co-op purposes since we're in limbo waiting on delivery. i'm still trying to figure out the vertical nano coil on the r91

 

[tiburonfirst]

have a decent day, ces!

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

yup! but not for co-op purposes since we're in limbo waiting on delivery. i'm still trying to figure out the vertical nano coil on the r91

that could drive a person to smoke. How ironic.