Snooty vaping hipsters.

[DC2]

Haha sounds like me, this afternoon I thought I'll just have a salad for lunch to try and cut down on this nonsmoking weight. Then proceeded to put buttermilk ranch, cheese, and bacon bits all over it.

My wife buys an awesome pear and Gorgonzola dressing.
And if you put dried cranberries and pecans in it, you may forget all about the cheese and bacon bits.


But when I switch over to the lwo-carb diet, which I do whenever I want to drop 10 pounds fast...
Then I'm all about the cheese, and bacon, and steak, and butter, and blue cheese dressing!

After Thanksgiving, and before Christmas, I went low-carb and lost 10 pounds in 6 days.
And I only gained 6 pounds back during the Christmas holidays.

 

[DC2]

Anybody that tells you that they aren't addicted to nicotine,
if they vape nicotine containing juice is fooling themselves.

I'm sorry if this, the truth offends anybody.
But only because you're offended not because I said it like is.

I'm here to not only tell you that you are wrong, but to insist upon it.

 

[ReigntheGamer]

My wife buys an awesome pear and Gorgonzola dressing.
And if you put dried cranberries and pecans in it, you may forget all about the cheese and bacon bits.


But when I switch over to the lwo-carb diet, which I do whenever I want to drop 10 pounds fast...
Then I'm all about the cheese, and bacon, and steak, and butter, and blue cheese dressing!

After Thanksgiving, and before Christmas, I went low-carb and lost 10 pounds in 6 days.
And I only gained 6 pounds back during the Christmas holidays.

Mmmmm the four food groups bacon, steak, butter and Bleu cheese.

 

[AndriaD]

How right you are, Madam. Indeed, this ex smoker started smoking ciggies as an adolescent for precisely that reason, to be cool and impress chicks.
I soon realized I didn't need a smoke to be cool or impress chicks but it was too late. I was hooked.
My fist taste of cigarette was when I was 3 or 4 years old, really.
I smoked my first whole ciggie at the young age of 6 when I accompanied an older boy to the store to buy some feed for his pigs.

My first pack was acquired from a vending machine at the movie theater when I was 12 and smoked slowly
to last me a week until the next weekend when I'd hit the movies again and buy another pack.
But by the time I was 14 years old I had to take an MTA bus and transfer to another to get to school.
There was a mom and pop cafe at the transfer spot and since I was already working on weekends and after school
I could afford a little daily colada and a pack of smokes. One PAD at age 14!
I'd also save my lunch money, go without lunch to buy smokes.

Before approaching other kids, especially the ladies, I'd fire one up. Forty-five years later I was a 4PAD smoker and regret it.
I do have a pix of me in edwardian suit and tie smoking my corncob at age 14 that I like...Very debonair but stupid!
By age 15, I didn't need a smoke to impress anybody, I was cool. But I kept on smoking.

Now, I really don't give a hoot whether anybody thinks I'm cool or not,
I vape because I like it and I'm addicted to nicotine.
Anybody that tells you that they aren't addicted to nicotine,
if they vape nicotine containing juice is fooling themselves.

I'm sorry if this, the truth offends anybody.
But only because you're offended not because I said it like is.

Now I'm gonna get my fix

Hazy

Well I'm addicted to WTA *and* nicotine, and it'll take me another 8 months or so to be free of the WTA; after that, I really don't give a rat's hindparts if I stay addicted to nicotine forever, unless it or vaping ever begins to make my health WORSE, I ain't gonna sweat it. I was almost 14 when I started, so I smoked for 3/4 of my life, and started well before my body was finished growing and maturing; my brain probably needs nicotine just to be normal, and that may not ever change.

Andria

 

[DC2]

Mmmmm the four food groups bacon, steak, butter and Bleu cheese.

The low-carb diet is awesome, but you'd be surprised how fast you get tired of eating so much fat all day.
Even bacon (or sausage) and eggs for breakfast gets tiring after a few days.

But I try to carry on for at least a week.
I know the results will be worth the effort I put in.


EDIT: But with the low-carb diet, it's really the "no bread" thing that does you in.
EDIT: Man can not live by "no bread" alone.

 

[ReigntheGamer]

The low-carb diet is awesome, but you'd be surprised how fast you get tired of eating so much fat at all day.
Even bacon (or sausage) and eggs for breakfast gets tiring after a few days.

But I try to carry on for at least a week.
I know the results will be worth the effort I put in.

I will have to look into it, the more nic I drop (down to 3mg) the more weight my body finds.

 

[HazyShades]

I'm here to not only tell you that you are wrong, but to insist upon it.

Okay. Insist all you need to. I expect reactions such as yours. It's called denial.
If you vape once or twice a week you use the nicotine. I f you vape all day every day like you probably do
and you're not vaping 0% nicotine then you're an addict.
But you have plenty of company including me, I just don't deny it.

Regards,
Hazy

 

[caramel]

EDIT: But with the low-carb diet, it's really the "no bread" thing that does you in.
EDIT: Man can not live by "no bread" alone.

What is FDA's position regarding high gluten genetically modified wheat?

 

[DC2]

Okay. Insist all you need to. I expect reactions such as yours. It's called denial.
If you vape once or twice a week you use the nicotine. I f you vape all day every day like you probably do
and you're not vaping 0% nicotine then you're an addict.
But you have plenty of company including me, I just don't deny it.

Regards,
Hazy

You couldn't be more wrong about me if you tried.

But I can't speak for everybody, and I am pretty sure many people here really are addicted.
It's unfortunate that those that are can't see any other reality.

Your theories are not only wrong, but they play right into the hands of those that oppose us...
Nicotine by itself maybe not so addictive after all?

 

[HazyShades]

Well I'm addicted to WTA *and* nicotine, and it'll take me another 8 months or so to be free of the WTA; after that, I really don't give a rat's hindparts if I stay addicted to nicotine forever, unless it or vaping ever begins to make my health WORSE, I ain't gonna sweat it. I was almost 14 when I started, so I smoked for 3/4 of my life, and started well before my body was finished growing and maturing; my brain probably needs nicotine just to be normal, and that may not ever change.

Andria

Andria, I admire your courage for admitting you're addicted to nicotine.
I too don't give a rats behind as long as nicotine doesn't damage me as continuing to smoke cigarettes would.

The thing is, lots of folks don't have the ---- to face up to the facts.
Lot's of kids, as you mentioned earlier think it's cool.
Lot's of adults lack the ---- and courage or are ignorant of what they're doing.

Nicotine, like any other drug is a tool and/or should be used as one.
But so are guns. In order to use a gun safely you have to be aware of it's danger when misused
and in order to do that you have know it's not a water pistol.

I argued with myself prior to the above post because I knew it would be greeted as my post regarding the possible
negative effects of nicotine in as you termed it, geriatric dyslexia. Badly.

However, I was inspired by Wolf's post regarding the behavior of some, many vapers.
So...

I remain, hopefully your friend and comrade in arms,

Hazy

 

[DC2]

What is FDA's position regarding high gluten genetically modified wheat?

Who is the FDA?

 

[DC2]

Andria, I admire your courage for admitting you're addicted to nicotine.

I hope you saw my post above this one, which was posted at the same time.
I just wanted to make sure you saw it so we could continue this conversation as long as you see fit.

 

[HazyShades]

You couldn't be more wrong about me if you tried.

But I can't speak for everybody, and I am pretty sure many people here really are addicted.
It's unfortunate that those that are can't see any other reality.

Your theories are not only wrong, but they play right into the hands of those that oppose us...
Nicotine by itself maybe not so addictive after all?

Yup, and I could post many more articles that contradict your position.
Undoubtedly articles referenced in this forum will support your WRONG position.
That's a shame. The opposition which you claim I play into the hands of
would actually use the refusal of such as you against you.

I've not denied the possible positive effects of nicotine.
In fact, I've said that nicotine increases the cognitive capabilities of the user
and that this may be a reason why in some cases it has an unwanted effect.

However, ...... is used a medicine. But it's also a highly addictive drug.
Your denial is what the people who would seek to control the use of medicine, not in order to protect you
but to TAX it would use to classify it as a controlled substance.

Moreover, I'll not argue the point with you.
I know better than to argue with an addict who refuses to admit his addiction.
I've been a peer counselor and have had this discussion many times.
I have also researched the use and misuse of nicotine for many years
in medical journals and forums other than those devoted to it's use.

Therefore, I wish you well in your use or misuse of your chosen medicine.
But you won't change my mind by denial or discredit my words by pointing at
biased research.

Have a good evening and Happy Vaping

Hazy

 

[AndriaD]

Andria, I admire your courage for admitting you're addicted to nicotine.
I too don't give a rats behind as long as nicotine doesn't damage me as continuing to smoke cigarettes would.

The thing is, lots of folks don't have the ---- to face up to the facts.
Lot's of kids, as you mentioned earlier think it's cool.
Lot's of adults lack the ---- and courage or are ignorant of what they're doing.

Nicotine, like any other drug is a tool and/or should be used as one.
But so are guns. In order to use a gun safely you have to be aware of it's danger when misused
and in order to do that you have know it's not a water pistol.

I argued with myself prior to the above post because I knew it would be greeted as my post regarding the possible
negative effects of nicotine in as you termed it, geriatric dyslexia. Badly.

However, I was inspired by Wolf's post regarding the behavior of some, many vapers.
So...

I remain, hopefully your friend and comrade in arms,

Hazy

It's really all in the definition of addiction; nicotine, for those who don't and HAVE NEVER smoked, may not be addictive, nor even dependence-producing, at all. For those who've ever smoked, who still use nicotine, there very likely is some degree of dependence, on the order of a caffeine dependence. But there are those who use caffeine who aren't really terribly dependent on it, so I'm prepared to assume that the same may be true of nicotine, even for those who have smoked, if they have been free of smoking for a long enough time. How long? No clue. But I won't discount the possibility.

Addiction is when the continued use of something is actively detrimental, but you keep using it anyway -- cigarettes, hard drugs, even alcohol if one is an alcoholic. Dependence is when you're accustomed to something, maybe even something psychoactive, but whose use is not actively detrimental, or at least, not terribly -- such as caffeine, or nicotine, or that stuff they've legalized in some places. Dependence means that if you stop using it, you might have some degree of discomfort, maybe even some mild physical symptoms, but nothing life-threatening. Given that nicotine, by itself, is no more dangerous than caffeine in the quantities we use, I believe it fits a lot more comfortably in the dependence camp, than addiction. But me? I'm an addict, up one side and down the other, a fact of which I've been aware for several decades, so the exact meaning of dependence vs addiction is somewhat pedantic -- I'm addicted to ANYTHING I like well enough to do every day.

Andria

 

[HazyShades]

I hope you saw my post above this one, which was posted at the same time.
I just wanted to make sure you saw it so we could continue this conversation as long as you see fit.

See my reply to you elsewhere.
I really don't like to bang my head into walls so this conversation is over.
Have a good one.

Bye

Hazy

 

[DC2]

Yup, and I could post many more articles that contradict your position.

And I'll bet all the articles you post would conflate nicotine use with smoking.

That's a shame. The opposition which you claim I play into the hands of
would actually use the refusal of such as you against you.

How?

Your denial is what the people who would seek to control the use of medicine, not in order to protect you
but to TAX it would use to classify it as a controlled substance.

Actually, my personal belief is that Big Pharma is angling towards owning the "safe" nicotine market.
And then starting to promote it as a wonder drug.

Moreover, I'll not argue the point with you.

I wish you would.

I know better than to argue with an addict who refuses to admit his addiction.
I've been a peer counselor and have had this discussion many times.
I have also researched the use and misuse of nicotine for many years
in medical journals and forums other than those devoted to it's use.

Okay, and you're brainwashed by decades of propaganda.
I hope you haven't done too much damage.

Therefore, I wish you well in your use or misuse of your chosen medicine.

Thank you.

But you won't change my mind by denial or discredit my words by pointing at
biased research.

My research is biased but yours is not...
Rampant Antismoking Signifies Grave Danger

 

[HazyShades]

It's really all in the definition of addiction; nicotine, for those who don't and HAVE NEVER smoked, may not be addictive, nor even dependence-producing, at all. For those who've ever smoked, who still use nicotine, there very likely is some degree of dependence, on the order of a caffeine dependence. But there are those who use caffeine who aren't really terribly dependent on it, so I'm prepared to assume that the same may be true of nicotine, even for those who have smoked, if they have been free of smoking for a long enough time. How long? No clue. But I won't discount the possibility.

Addiction is when the continued use of something is actively detrimental, but you keep using it anyway -- cigarettes, hard drugs, even alcohol if one is an alcoholic. Dependence is when you're accustomed to something, maybe even something psychoactive, but whose use is not actively detrimental, or at least, not terribly -- such as caffeine, or nicotine, or that stuff they've legalized in some places. Dependence means that if you stop using it, you might have some degree of discomfort, maybe even some mild physical symptoms, but nothing life-threatening. Given that nicotine, by itself, is no more dangerous than caffeine in the quantities we use, I believe it fits a lot more comfortably in the dependence camp, than addiction. But me? I'm an addict, up one side and down the other, a fact of which I've been aware for several decades, so the exact meaning of dependence vs addiction is somewhat pedantic -- I'm addicted to ANYTHING I like well enough to do every day.

Andria

As I've mentioned, there is use and there's abuse.
Nicotine use on a regular basis creates a dependence on it.
The difference between dependence and addiction is as you said, pedantic.

Moreover, look at how many of our colleagues suffer (yes I used the word suffer) from sleep deprivation.
How many of us crash and awaken after only a few hours of sleep and grab the mod.
My argument, if you insist on calling that, is for the proper and intelligent, informed use
of nicotine because it is a substance with possible negative as well as positive effects which have been thoroughly studied
by scientists who aren't necessarily on anybody's side but the truth.

Of course, as in any similar situation one can pick and choose the authority they quote in order to support their argument.
I don't pick and choose because my interest lies in knowing and sharing the truth.

I'm not trying to get anybody to stop vaping. I'm vaping 24 mg nicotine containing juice as we speak.
But I know what I'm doing, as I believe you do.

Respects,

Me

 

[Bikenstein]

How do you really know if you are getting nicotine in your vape?
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/dannyv45/5450-nicotine-what-exactly-part-2.html

 

[caramel]

anyone could elaborate if we could get addicted to something that has no pleasurable/positive effects? i.e. could you get addicted to some substance that only makes you sick without any good (side) effects?

 

[hurricanegirl100]

Y'know, I hafta admit the eleventeen "hipsters" got on my nerves on the once-in-a-while trip I made to my local B&M. But one day...

You ever tried an RDA?
Uh..lol...no.
Here...(and he put his mech mod down in front of me)

You only live once. WTH..let's do it..

He was right. The flavor on his juice was much stronger than mine. The cloud I exhaled was way bigger than anything that EVER lol came out of one of my BCC clearos.

Okay. I hated his flat-brim hat. I'm old-school. But he knew how to build. I didn't.

Damn! God, that's Good! Are those coils hard to build?
Not too bad, he said. Here. I'll show you..

So, nowadays, I still take my BCC clearos out with me to work, shopping, yada. But one of the best parts of my day is coming after crunching numbers for 8.5 hours straight (Work through lunch!) and sitting down with a mech and an RDA with a 0.6 ohm single coil and vaping some 100% VG juice that I don't vape while I'm at work or out of the house. Some of the nicest folks I've talked to here on ECF were the ones who helped me build when I started doing it myself.

That hipster's name is John. Great guy. Sometimes, if you just open your mind a crack, you give someone an opportunity to blow it wide open. I'm done being annoyed with the hipsters. Who else would build a twisted coil for me (free of charge)? And I was 24 once a long time ago, too...