So - 3 atomizers, less than a minute - Poof

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johnaburks

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With the 901 PT. One from pure smoker, one totally wicked one, and one pink one that I don't remember where I got.

The Puresmoker one I didn't test before, but used it on the PT and worked for about 2 puffs the poof. The other two I used on my little PT from Ruyan first to make sure, put them on PT, then poof.

Any suggestions?

I won't be using this PT any time soon.
 

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Nope, no issues on the Prodigy. Works like a champ with the PS atomizer, definatley the best producing VP I own (have standard 901s, 801s, PT from Ruyan, home made PTs, Janty Stick V1 Auto and V2). I can tell this will be my around the house go-to guy. It's a bit bulky for stealth shoping with the wifey, but hey, it seems to be a great product.

My one complaint about the Prodigy doesn't actually have aything to do with the product itself. It seems I have to refill the 901 constantly. Definatley going to order an 801 adapter for it.

Heck, I need to do that while I'm thinking about it :p
 

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So the PS atty worked for about 2 puffs only on the PS PT. Then the same atty worked fine on another PT, so you tried it again on the PS PT and only got a couple puffs? Is that right?

Maybe read the adapter contact troubleshooting thread?

Yes, that's about it. THe PS atty works on the Prodigy as well. Lemme run through that thread and see if it's something I can address here.
 

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Nope, and actually checking with a voltage meter, there is no juice to the post. The switch seems a bit off kileter, not centered in the square hole and jutting out a bit at one side.

Ok, I'm pretty sure this has something to do with the switch. Sometimes it makes contact, sometimes it doesn't.

Still doesn't tell me anything about the other two attys that went poof, but like with all the Chinese stuff, I guess it just could have been their time.
 
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johnaburks ... Is your PT pinned or unpinned?

If its unpinned, and floated left/right (and 1 side is higher than the other) when you press the button, it won't actually make contact.

You can push the plastic out a bit and rotate it right/left to center. Once centered, hold teh button down and press the plastic back in to teh housing. Then give it another shot.

Also, make sure to press the button FULLY down. I know it sounds like common sense, but the button has to be fully depressed to work.

Keep me/us posted, and let me know if its pinned/unpinned.
 

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Huh. I read it from the title the same way.

It would be pretty odd to pop on the PT which has ~1/3rd the current the Prodigy delivers. Not impossible, just less likely.

Were you able to play with the PT adapter to get it going again?

I'm pretty sure it's a switch issue. With a voltage meter on the end some times it hits, some times it doesn't. It won't consistantly get 5 volts. I've given up on it for the moment. Guess I need to send them an email about returning it.
 

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johnaburks ... Is your PT pinned or unpinned?

If its unpinned, and floated left/right (and 1 side is higher than the other) when you press the button, it won't actually make contact.

You can push the plastic out a bit and rotate it right/left to center. Once centered, hold teh button down and press the plastic back in to teh housing. Then give it another shot.

Also, make sure to press the button FULLY down. I know it sounds like common sense, but the button has to be fully depressed to work.

Keep me/us posted, and let me know if its pinned/unpinned.

I'm not sure I understand... take the adapter off and push the plastic out, then rotate the switch? (sorry to be a pain here).
 

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Johna ... Inconsistency has to do with switch pressing ... You have to firmly press the switch each and every time ...

Lol, I feel like a nit with. Yeah, that seems to help. My apologies.

However, I've put my third non-PS atty on it and it is now dead. The PS atty works for the couple seconds I'm brave enough to hold down the button. Is there some major difference between attys from PS and from other places?
 
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It would be pretty odd to pop on the PT which has ~1/3rd the current the Prodigy delivers. Not impossible, just less likely.

A USBpass has 1/3 the current delivered by a Prodigy??? I don't understand...that doesn't seem to jive with the many other posts I've read that state that the current is virtually identical. Please explain.
 

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    A USBpass has 1/3 the current delivered by a Prodigy??? I don't understand...that doesn't seem to jive with the many other posts I've read that state that the current is virtually identical. Please explain.

    It should, assuming your USB used is a PC (or Mac) USB2 port, per USB2 spec.

    That spec allows for up to '5 USB load units' of 100ma each.' basically, 500mA, or .5A.

    A 5v device like the Prodigy uses batteries which can deliver 4A on up.

    Now, 'higher isn't better,' you just need enough for the circuit being used.
    in this case, you have a fixed (ish, some variances for batteries full charge, and USB inconsistencies, under load, etc). 5vDC.
    A 510 atty is ~2.5Ohms resistance.
    A 801 atty is ~3.4Ohms resistance.

    So, a 'pure' 510 5v device, would draw ~2Amps current, assuming the power source can provide it. Which a PC/Mac USB2 port can not. It may provide a bit over, like .6A, but that's still a far cry from the 2A.

    A wall wart USB adapter, or powerpack, may provide up to ~2A, or at least 1.5A, which is closer.

    CR2s/18650 etc can all provide > 4Amps, 'more than enough for any e-cig atty today' basically..

    The attys *do* seem to change resistance as heated due to the nichrome coils, but I believe it's < 10% change, so that still leaves us with :
    1. I have no idea what standard ecig batteries can sustain for discharge, but I suspect not much more than a USB2 spec port.
    2. USB2 isn't the same on a PC, versus wall wart vs power pack on output.
    3. The more common batteries, CR2/123, 18650s etc all can output more than enough current for any attys out there today (ok, common ones, anyways).

    If we go back to the 3.x vDC of e-cig batteries, for a typical 801/pen atty, it works out to roughly a draw of 1A. And, as many *prefer* a direct USB to their screw-on e-cig batteries, it seems likely that the e-cig batteries also are underpowered, from a discharge/Amperage standpoint, which may well be why some prefer a USB PT, even on a PC, to their e-cig batteries, plus the higher voltage.

    We can also see that Watts is: P = I(current/Amps) x E(Volts)

    So basically, increase current flow or voltage = more Watts, basically = more vapor/hotter burn, blah blah blah. :D

    But, considering the attys we have are 'designed' to run at lower...presumably there's a tradeoff in there somewhere - increase too much and attys will pop, not from solder joints or 'crud buildup' (which is valid as well), but will burn up from the current being passed through them.

    If you have a device that is able to get the amperage it requires by it's design, but want *more*...easiest alternative = increase voltage, which will in turn produce higher current, higher watts, etc.

    Measuring your USB output, and atty resistance will let you plug in your own values of course, but that shouldn't change, unless you have added components, flaky grounds or contacts, etc.

    But 5vDC USB2 port != 5vDC power pack != 5vDC battery or Prodigy.

    Sorry for the thread derailment.
     
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    LOL ... Johna ...

    Adjusting the button -- Steps:
    1) With your thumb, press the button out towards where the adapter normally would be (with adapter off ofcourse)
    2) Once the button is out roughly 1/4", with your fingers, spin left/right to center.
    3) Once centered, push back in.
    4) Screw adapter on tightly while you hold the button down so it doesn't twist again
    5) Wallah, button is centered.

    The inconsistency can be caused from the lack of centering on the button placement, and not being pushed all the way down. Once centered, full depressment is MUCH easier :)

    Hope that helps!
    -Steve
     

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    LOL ... Johna ...

    Adjusting the button -- Steps:
    1) With your thumb, press the button out towards where the adapter normally would be (with adapter off ofcourse)
    2) Once the button is out roughly 1/4", with your fingers, spin left/right to center.
    3) Once centered, push back in.
    4) Screw adapter on tightly while you hold the button down so it doesn't twist again
    5) Wallah, button is centered.

    The inconsistency can be caused from the lack of centering on the button placement, and not being pushed all the way down. Once centered, full depressment is MUCH easier :)

    Hope that helps!
    -Steve

    Thank you for the information Steve.
     
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