So tonight, I manage to get some help building a regular coil on an RDA - nothing to fancy, just a screw-driver wrapped coil, nothing micro or nothing, just a normal wrap. With cotton.
I made sure all the steps were taken - I cleaned my RDA, fired the coil until no smokey stuff (surprisingly, there wasn't much of any of it on the new little supply of Kanthal I used - completely different than the other stuff I was using), had some help getting some cotton in there - and with all the steps taken, I got perfectly clean vapor, and no feed off tastes or textures from the cotton.
However, a problem still exists, as usual.
The juices just don't taste anywhere near "right". The vape is a clean vape, but the flavors taste extremely muted, as in "mush all those complex flavors together and mud them up". The guy who vaped it with me sure didn't seem to think so, but I do entirely. The juices I know and love just aren't coming through, at all.
These are juices, that on the Cisco 3.5ohm, a coil that seemed to be rather micro-wrapped, soared complexities of the juice over my tongue, extremely full hits of high notes, low notes, it was the most wonderous vape that I've experienced in my life. It was like eating real food, or in the case of the NET juices, vaping a smooth pipe smoke with various desert flavors added in. As other people seem to get from Kanthal wire, I was getting this complex, full, realistic, just adorable vape on a NiChrome coil - and a micro-ish coil at that.
My current RDA coil though? It's clean, it's not harsh, the cotton tastes perfectly healthy (literally, I can't tell it's cotton, it vapes so clean), it's just, the flavors are muddy, it's actually muddier than some of the flavor results I've gotten on CE4's, or the Aspire, even stuff like that. The flavors I'm using tasted realistic and full of the fruits and tones of what one's palate can taste, on the Cisco, and a full, in-your-face taste at that.
But this coil tonight? Geez, even past tackling all the "cleanliness" steps, after getting rid of all possible negative tastes, the flavor still isn't coming through at all. It's like, my tongue is reacting with Kanthal or something, causing me not to taste hardly any flavor, while everyone around me claims "perfect vape".
Maybe I really am just plain sensitive to Kanthal? Maybe I really do have an aluminum allergy like I did when I was a child? Maybe it just temporarily destroys my taste buds upon hitting? I mean, I can't get good flavor (actually, I get even slightly better flavor, it terms of what the juice is supposed to do from virtually any pre-built head) from this coil. At all. Not one negative taste, just, the flavors are so mixed and muted together it's just unreal!
Only two things I can thing of is that A. I'm a microcoil type of guy, maybe microcoils really help heat up all those complex aspects of the juices (as I do vape complex juices that NEED a complex coil and taste muddy without a good one), and B. Even after all other factors cut out, maybe I'm just not a Kanthal type of guy? Anyone had that situation where Kanthal just never seemed to deliver the true vape, but other type of wire or mesh did?
I'm glad I'm able to finally get a clean result, but comparing apples to oranges, I'm getting slightly better, slightly stronger flavor out of my iClear 30. It's still not the vape that others describe with the iClear 30, but it's actually slightly better than the simple RDA coil.
I mean, I'm also considering I have vapors tongue out the ...., but when I tried the Cisco, the NiChrome micro-coil high-ohm type deal, the vapor would soar over my tongue, creating the magic that literally all other people seem to experience with juices, where as I did testing with those same juices and other devices at the same time as the Cisco, and got the "muted" flavor in all other devices. It was like two completely separate worlds!
Do any of you RDA'ers get vastly different experiences with say, microcoils vs. regular wraps, or say, Kanthal vs. NiChrome. Or even ever heard of something like this? I think I should be totally getting about 1,000x the flavor and complexity of the juice! Once you go Cisco, you don't go back! I hear many people talking good about Cisco, but I've never met or heard of anyone that tastes a tremendously different world with their products as I do. It's literally as though they're using not only unique wire, but that a wizard came to my house and cast a magical spell on my Cisco to taste so utterly grand!
For example, on this build I have right now, my NET tastes like, well, syrupy muddy sugar. In a decent way, just, that's not at all what this juice holds. NET'ers know that these juices are supposed to soar with tobacco notes, and any desert notes added. It was that exact experience on my Cisco. No other device has given me that! How to I vape these juices to give me that sort of complexity, that realism, that everyone expects? My tongue just can't seem to taste that realism when vaping on Kanthal! Or alternatively, normal coils!
I made sure all the steps were taken - I cleaned my RDA, fired the coil until no smokey stuff (surprisingly, there wasn't much of any of it on the new little supply of Kanthal I used - completely different than the other stuff I was using), had some help getting some cotton in there - and with all the steps taken, I got perfectly clean vapor, and no feed off tastes or textures from the cotton.
However, a problem still exists, as usual.
The juices just don't taste anywhere near "right". The vape is a clean vape, but the flavors taste extremely muted, as in "mush all those complex flavors together and mud them up". The guy who vaped it with me sure didn't seem to think so, but I do entirely. The juices I know and love just aren't coming through, at all.
These are juices, that on the Cisco 3.5ohm, a coil that seemed to be rather micro-wrapped, soared complexities of the juice over my tongue, extremely full hits of high notes, low notes, it was the most wonderous vape that I've experienced in my life. It was like eating real food, or in the case of the NET juices, vaping a smooth pipe smoke with various desert flavors added in. As other people seem to get from Kanthal wire, I was getting this complex, full, realistic, just adorable vape on a NiChrome coil - and a micro-ish coil at that.
My current RDA coil though? It's clean, it's not harsh, the cotton tastes perfectly healthy (literally, I can't tell it's cotton, it vapes so clean), it's just, the flavors are muddy, it's actually muddier than some of the flavor results I've gotten on CE4's, or the Aspire, even stuff like that. The flavors I'm using tasted realistic and full of the fruits and tones of what one's palate can taste, on the Cisco, and a full, in-your-face taste at that.
But this coil tonight? Geez, even past tackling all the "cleanliness" steps, after getting rid of all possible negative tastes, the flavor still isn't coming through at all. It's like, my tongue is reacting with Kanthal or something, causing me not to taste hardly any flavor, while everyone around me claims "perfect vape".
Maybe I really am just plain sensitive to Kanthal? Maybe I really do have an aluminum allergy like I did when I was a child? Maybe it just temporarily destroys my taste buds upon hitting? I mean, I can't get good flavor (actually, I get even slightly better flavor, it terms of what the juice is supposed to do from virtually any pre-built head) from this coil. At all. Not one negative taste, just, the flavors are so mixed and muted together it's just unreal!
Only two things I can thing of is that A. I'm a microcoil type of guy, maybe microcoils really help heat up all those complex aspects of the juices (as I do vape complex juices that NEED a complex coil and taste muddy without a good one), and B. Even after all other factors cut out, maybe I'm just not a Kanthal type of guy? Anyone had that situation where Kanthal just never seemed to deliver the true vape, but other type of wire or mesh did?
I'm glad I'm able to finally get a clean result, but comparing apples to oranges, I'm getting slightly better, slightly stronger flavor out of my iClear 30. It's still not the vape that others describe with the iClear 30, but it's actually slightly better than the simple RDA coil.
I mean, I'm also considering I have vapors tongue out the ...., but when I tried the Cisco, the NiChrome micro-coil high-ohm type deal, the vapor would soar over my tongue, creating the magic that literally all other people seem to experience with juices, where as I did testing with those same juices and other devices at the same time as the Cisco, and got the "muted" flavor in all other devices. It was like two completely separate worlds!
Do any of you RDA'ers get vastly different experiences with say, microcoils vs. regular wraps, or say, Kanthal vs. NiChrome. Or even ever heard of something like this? I think I should be totally getting about 1,000x the flavor and complexity of the juice! Once you go Cisco, you don't go back! I hear many people talking good about Cisco, but I've never met or heard of anyone that tastes a tremendously different world with their products as I do. It's literally as though they're using not only unique wire, but that a wizard came to my house and cast a magical spell on my Cisco to taste so utterly grand!
For example, on this build I have right now, my NET tastes like, well, syrupy muddy sugar. In a decent way, just, that's not at all what this juice holds. NET'ers know that these juices are supposed to soar with tobacco notes, and any desert notes added. It was that exact experience on my Cisco. No other device has given me that! How to I vape these juices to give me that sort of complexity, that realism, that everyone expects? My tongue just can't seem to taste that realism when vaping on Kanthal! Or alternatively, normal coils!
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